Crime Thieves steal $30k worth of tools, let out same day

Super_Nintendo said:
we've seen this ad nauseam since the pandemic where they get released and go back to doing it again including upping it to murder.
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- They're realized because they arent dangerous?
Yes. They acumulated 30,000 in stolen objects, but they werent running over people with those objects?
 
Jeffy37 said:
I would say any person that robs someone is dangerous. Do you disagree?
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I don't think so.

The very first question I asked was if they were dangerous. That's a very important consideration that can exclude bail. The judge is responsible for making that determination.

If you believe all robbers are dangerous and none should be released before trial, I think that would be a difficult case to make.
 
I guess we don't believe in innocent until proven guilty anymore (or if we ever did).

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Loiosh said:
I don't think so.

The very first question I asked was if they were dangerous. That's a very important consideration that can exclude bail. The judge is responsible for making that determination.

If you believe all robbers are dangerous and none should be released before trial, I think that would be a difficult case to make.
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That is a very strong take. I don't know what else to say but if a person or people robs me I would find that dangerous for multiple reasons
 
Jeffy37 said:
That is a very strong take. I don't know what else to say but if a person or people robs me I would find that dangerous for multiple reasons
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I think you're right that there's probably a high potential for danger.

My point is if you're going to codify this into law you have to be absolutely sure. As it stands, the judge has to determine if someone is a danger before release.
 
Loiosh said:
It's a crime and they were arrested. I'm assuming they were charged and will stand trial.

If they're stupid enough to be committing more crimes after having been charged, it will ultimately be very bad for them at trial. Also, I'm assuming these guys are now persons of interest and will be looked at closely in similar cases.

You don't just arrest someone and jail them until trial unless they're dangerous or a flight risk.

I'm only speaking to the fact they were released. I have no idea why none of the other property was removed or why nothing else appears to have been done. You'd think barring proof of ownership it would have been seized pending an investigation.
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In a trial, you would not be able to bring up other cases to bolster the case for this one. I had a domestic third trial where we weren’t allowed to bring up the suspects previous 4-5 arrests and convictions during trial. The defense was allowed to bring up the victims previous perjury conviction, though. But since I witnessed the assault taking place, the jury decided to ignore that since they didn’t like the pregnant crackwhore that got beaten by a bike tire.

You’re right about the not holding them for a high bond, though. Unless they are a danger to society or a flight risk, they won’t be held at all because of the zero bail policy in these liberal hellholes. He’s free to continue to rob people until he does something more serious.

And why isn’t the news releasing the suspects name and picture? Did the cops not even do that? There is literally no repercussions in this case. Theft in Cali is a fucking joke.

All those tools should have been seized, but heaven forbid that a thief is inconvenienced. Now, all that shit is gone. There is no justice in cases like this.
 
nhbbear said:
You’re right about the not holding them for a high bond, though. Unless they are a danger to society or a flight risk, they won’t be held at all because of the zero bail policy in these liberal hellholes. He’s free to continue to rob people until he does something more serious
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You're conflating the issue of bail with whether or not those awaiting trial should be jailed or not.
nhbbear said:
And why isn’t the news releasing the suspects name and picture? Did the cops not even do that? There is literally no repercussions in this case. Theft in Cali is a fucking joke.
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What would this accomplish in your mind, aside from likely giving the defense a layup to change the venue if they want?
nhbbear said:
The victim should get to pick a tool and use it on the suspect. I am thinking some sort of vice grip to the nuts
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And to think you used to be a cop. Wild shit.
 
Loiosh said:
So you think law enforcement should arrest someone and that person should remain in jail until trial?
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it depends on the type of crime, flight risk, person's past, their recidivism rate, and how the amount of evidence on them, like were they caught red handed in broad daylight on HD video with a dozen witnesses? this all plays into whether they stay in jail until their trial and or how high their bond is.

it's innocent until proven guilty and in general they deserve a fair bond depending on the crime but society has gone crazy. they recently found butchered bodies in a gruesome crime scene in NY and let them out without bail. it's insanity.
 
avenue94 said:
You're conflating the issue of bail with whether or not those awaiting trial should be jailed or not.

What would this accomplish in your mind, aside from likely giving the defense a layup to change the venue if they want?

And to think you used to be a cop. Wild shit.
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I am not conflating anything. I am agreeing with him that the bill of rights addresses bond issues and what parameters should be used to use a large bond to keep a suspect behind bars until trial if they are a danger or flight risk. I am not saying this suspect is either, but in liberal hellholes, they rarely keep anyone locked up before trial. In Philly, an armed carjacker was released and he did it again, only this time, he killed his victim.

And when an arrest is made, the criminal complaint and photos can be attained by a foia request. Why not release this guys pic since he was arrested and maybe his face should be out there. We know when he is eventually convicted of at least, receiving stolen property, he will get a light slap on the wrist despite destroying this guy’s business. These turds need exposed to the light.

And yep, I was a cop. So what? It was in jest. Would I really put a thieve’s nuts in a vice? Well, maybe, since there’s no other justice going around. Relax a bit, buddy
 
Loiosh said:
It's a crime and they were arrested. I'm assuming they were charged and will stand trial.

If they're stupid enough to be committing more crimes after having been charged, it will ultimately be very bad for them at trial. Also, I'm assuming these guys are now persons of interest and will be looked at closely in similar cases.

You don't just arrest someone and jail them until trial unless they're dangerous or a flight risk.

I'm only speaking to the fact they were released. I have no idea why none of the other property was removed or why nothing else appears to have been done. You'd think barring proof of ownership it would have been seized pending an investigation.
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I don't necessarily disagree with cashless bail unless the person is likely to reoffend while awaiting trial. I take more issue with the extremely light, usually plea bargained sentences that equate to a slap on the wrist.
 
Loiosh said:
Is there a reason they should have been held?

Are they dangerous? A flight risk?
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Yes and yes. FFS, the guy is stealing cars 2 hours from the open border with Mexico. It's a dead to rights felony for a guy with no job and nothing keeping him here other than $30k worth of tools they didn't even take back from him?

How is that not a threat to reoffend, harm somebody or ljust eave the country? What else do you think he's doing in that time?
 
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why do libs generally treat illegals and domestic criminals with such high regard? like what happened to the country where regular people's rights don't matter? well, we do know why but someone please be honest.
 
country is being dismantled, I just cannot figure out the prime reasons for it but it's being done.
 
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