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[UWanaPlayDaGame]

Some very interesting things taught by Skarbowsky there. He advocated counterintuitive moves and strategies such as hitting kicks with the foot on the wrist of your opponent and only kicking with one leg the whole fight. Things that only a professional would even consider.

 

[Nova44]

Some very interesting things taught by Skarbowsky there. He advocated counterintuitive moves and strategies such as hitting kicks with the foot on the wrist of your opponent and only kicking with one leg the whole fight. Things that only a professional would even consider.

Yeah that's some very interesting stuff, but thinking back to when i fought, i can't even imagine kicking with just my rear leg all fight. I'd also never aim intentionally for the wrist because of the threat of them moving and hitting my foot with their elbow. Getting elbowed in the top of your foot is too painful for words, especially after the adrenaline leaves your body post-fight and your foot balloons.

 

[Monte Moku]

Some very interesting things taught by Skarbowsky there. He advocated counterintuitive moves and strategies such as hitting kicks with the foot on the wrist of your opponent and only kicking with one leg the whole fight. Things that only a professional would even consider.

I've been playing around with kicking the wrist in my sparring since I watched that and I've found it to be very effective! I'm a Kickboxer, so I end up working with pressure fighters who keep a tight high guard pretty often. It's perfect for when they attempt to move in with hooks and shift their weight right when they're coming in -- completely kills their momentum. It's much harder to use when I work with Muay Thai guys though, but ofc they tend to be more keen to my kicking game anyway. I'm not sure how I feel about kicking with one leg, but I don't think I'm nearly at the level to be playing those sorts of mind games on my opponents anyway

 

[UWanaPlayDaGame]

Yeah that's some very interesting stuff, but thinking back to when i fought, i can't even imagine kicking with just my rear leg all fight. I'd also never aim intentionally for the wrist because of the threat of them moving and hitting my foot with their elbow. Getting elbowed in the top of your foot is too painful for words, especially after the adrenaline leaves your body post-fight and your foot balloons.

I've been playing around with kicking the wrist in my sparring since I watched that and I've found it to be very effective! I'm a Kickboxer, so I end up working with pressure fighters who keep a tight high guard pretty often. It's perfect for when they attempt to move in with hooks and shift their weight right when they're coming in -- completely kills their momentum. It's much harder to use when I work with Muay Thai guys though, but ofc they tend to be more keen to my kicking game anyway. I'm not sure how I feel about kicking with one leg, but I don't think I'm nearly at the level to be playing those sorts of mind games on my opponents anyway

IMO the key to it is that it's a very specific strategy for a guy who's outmatched in the kicking exchanges anyway and he just wants to get openings for his punches. So he's not looking to get fancy or try a lot of things with his kicks, just counter his opponent's kicks sometimes and unbalance them in order to land punches.
As for hitting exactly at the wrist I'd think it would be a tough spot to land at as well but he emphasized that the risk of hitting elbows was far greater when he tried to land the "regular" kick to the body. What I read from it is that if he misses the wrist then he'll be missing altogether or hitting somewhere above the shoulder anyway (if their guard is really tight).

 

[SuperLuigi]

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Look at this guy and his long spidery legs, he is bred for combat. His defense is still crude but his offense is already looking scary.

 

[SuperLuigi]

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Another classic from RWS. Yothin is so versatile.

 

[GreenGorilla]

Look at the hematoma at the end of the fight holy shit.

 

[Mickf]

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Look at this guy and his long spidery legs, he is bred for combat. His defense is still crude but his offense is already looking scary.

Like they couldn't find a proper 126 pound thai fighter in thailand 555. Kongpop looks like a 110-115 pound fighter.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Like they couldn't find a proper 126 pound thai fighter in thailand 555. Kongpop looks like a 110-115 pound fighter.

Probably couldnt find a Thai in Bangkok with only 20ish fights, so went for a smaller dude lol

 

[Mickf]

Probably couldnt find a Thai in Bangkok with only 20ish fights, so went for a smaller dude lol

Juat getting kinda sick of all these new foreign "phenoms" gettin fed much smaller thais to boost their reputations. Its like bleedin bangla stadium or western boxing.
I wonder what are the chances haggerty would face someone like shadow in One. I mean shadow was making 147 like a year ago when he was 23 and is a raja champion so its not like he doesn't deserve it. If u gave shadow 2 months notice to prepare like haggerty gets.
No it will never happen cos haggerty most likely won't look like the muay thai 'phenom' they are bigging him up as.
Sure look at muangthai he fought nakrop in his last fight at 135 his real weight but his other fights against foreigners were at 145.

 

[Tayski]

I wonder what are the chances haggerty would face someone like shadow in One. I mean shadow was making 147 like a year ago when he was 23 and is a raja champion so its not like he doesn't deserve it. If u gave shadow 2 months notice to prepare like haggerty gets.
No it will never happen cos haggerty most likely won't look like the muay thai 'phenom' they are bigging him up as.

Mate Haggerty fought Nong-O and is fighting Superlek next, it's not like he's just getting easy fights to make him look good. At some point people need to stop hating on Haggerty and give him the respect he deserves.

Shadow is fighting Jimmy Viennot next, it's a solid opponent if he wins he will probably face Haggerty some time soon.

 

[Mickf]

Mate Haggerty fought Nong-O and is fighting Superlek next, it's not like he's just getting easy fights to make him look good. At some point people need to stop hating on Haggerty and give him the respect he deserves.

Shadow is fighting Jimmy Viennot next, it's a solid opponent if he wins he will probably face Haggerty some time soon.

Mate Shadow is probably fighting Jimmy at 154 or 160 pounds. That just proves my point. Im sure they will say its because of the re-hydration rules or whatever. Only that doesn't seem to apply to Nico. Both haggerty and Nico have been doin muay thai since they were kids. They don't need size advantages.
Superlek and haggerty there isn't much of a size difference imo. Its a good fight. But even if u look at Superleks run in One. They made it as hard as possible for him. Just look at the Nabil fight. Dude is 6ft 4 and akward as fuck. Its one of those that u don't get much credit for winning but its a tough fight.

 

[Mickf]

Size and weight has always mattered in muay thai. Especially if they are close in skill level.

 

[Mickf]

The reason I got into muay thai was because of its egalitarian nature. That to become a champion you had to consistently fight tough competition frequently and if u became a champion u had to still fight frequently and against top competition. Now don't get me wrong i like One i just want a fair chance for everyone.
On the other side I hate promotions like Thai fight. I can give Saenchai a pass. But i hate seeing good young thai fighters wasting their careers beating completely overmatched foreigners.

 

[Tayski]

Mate Shadow is probably fighting Jimmy at 154 or 160 pounds. That just proves my point. Im sure they will say its because of the re-hydration rules or whatever. Only that doesn't seem to apply to Nico. Both haggerty and Nico have been doin muay thai since they were kids. They don't need size advantages.
Superlek and haggerty there isn't much of a size difference imo. Its a good fight. But even if u look at Superleks run in One. They made it as hard as possible for him. Just look at the Nabil fight. Dude is 6ft 4 and akward as fuck. Its one of those that u don't get much credit for winning but its a tough fight.

Shadow vs Jimmy is at 154 indeed.

Even though Haggerty and Carillo have been doing MT since childhood that still doesn't compare to the skill level and number of stadium fights Thais usually have in the same time frame though. Not many farangs can hold their own vs the top Thais of their division and those 2 prove it's indeed possible with a lot of hard work and dedication.

I don't think the Nabil fight was going to be any difficult for Superlek and the result of that fight just proved exactly that.

I think a big part of the equation is that Thais tend to prefer fighting farangs, there's that national pride thing and the farangs are usually more money while often not being on part skill wise. Spectators are often more interested in fighters from different nations fighting each other instead of Thai vs Thai and that goes for both the Thai gamblers and the Western audience. And for that extra money the Thai fighter don't care going up in weight if needed.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Juat getting kinda sick of all these new foreign "phenoms" gettin fed much smaller thais to boost their reputations. Its like bleedin bangla stadium or western boxing.
I wonder what are the chances haggerty would face someone like shadow in One. I mean shadow was making 147 like a year ago when he was 23 and is a raja champion so its not like he doesn't deserve it. If u gave shadow 2 months notice to prepare like haggerty gets.
No it will never happen cos haggerty most likely won't look like the muay thai 'phenom' they are bigging him up as.
Sure look at muangthai he fought nakrop in his last fight at 135 his real weight but his other fights against foreigners were at 145.

In an ideal world the farang would be in the countryside racking up experience, but it never seems to happen like that. I'm guessing its a logistics thing and of course promoters trying to court international markets.

About Haggerty, we basically already saw that happen when he stepped up to fight Rodtang. Its kinda cool to think he had already been handed a belt against old undersized Sam-A and within 30 seconds he was calling out Rodtang, the absolute hardest ask at that division. If ONE are hyping him as a phenom all over again he will get a second chance to live up to that in September. ONE should put Shadow vs Carillo as the co-main.

 

[Tayski]

In an ideal world the farang would be in the countryside racking up experience, but it never seems to happen like that. I'm guessing its a logistics thing and of course promoters trying to court international markets.

About Haggerty, we basically already saw that happen when he stepped up to fight Rodtang. Its kinda cool to think he had already been handed a belt against old undersized Sam-A and within 30 seconds he was calling out Rodtang, the absolute hardest ask at that division. If ONE are hyping him as a phenom all over again he will get a second chance to live up to that in September. ONE should put Shadow vs Carillo as the co-main.

I mean it happens quite often that farangs start in the countryside or on the islands before ending up in the big stadiums. How many farangs do you have fighting in Koh Samui, Chiang Mai, etc.? Or even on smaller orgs like Max Muay Thai ? Even the names like Skarbowsky who were European champions when they moved to compete in Thailand started outside Bangkok to build up a name before fighting in Lumpinee and Raja.

You also have to think that usually those farangs who end up fighting the big Thai names have already established their names in the West, they're usually already some kind of champ in their country and at the top of their division there.

I think it's also a bit harsh to say that Haggerty was "handed" a belt against "old undersized" Sam-A. Not many would have beat Sam-A even at the time the fight happened. Sam-A was knocking out all the farangs he fought around that time and many thought Haggerty would have no chance. I'm pretty sure Haggerty is the only farang Sam-A lost to ever actually. Then the same thing happened with Nong-O who was on a tear and on a 5 KO win streak against the likes of Saemapetch, Rodlek, Liam Harrison, etc. Pretty much everybody wrote off Haggerty and said he was gonna get destroyed but then when he finishes Nong-O then suddenly Nong-O is "old and undersized". Are people ever going to respect Haggerty's accomplishments?

 

[Mickf]

I mean it happens quite often that farangs start in the countryside or on the islands before ending up in the big stadiums. How many farangs do you have fighting in Koh Samui, Chiang Mai, etc.? Or even on smaller orgs like Max Muay Thai ? Even the names like Skarbowsky who were European champions when they moved to compete in Thailand started outside Bangkok to build up a name before fighting in Lumpinee and Raja.

You also have to think that usually those farangs who end up fighting the big Thai names have already established their names in the West, they're usually already some kind of champ in their country and at the top of their division there.

I think it's also a bit harsh to say that Haggerty was "handed" a belt against "old undersized" Sam-A. Not many would have beat Sam-A even at the time the fight happened. Sam-A was knocking out all the farangs he fought around that time and many thought Haggerty would have no chance. I'm pretty sure Haggerty is the only farang Sam-A lost to ever actually. Then the same thing happened with Nong-O who was on a tear and on a 5 KO win streak against the likes of Saemapetch, Rodlek, Liam Harrison, etc. Pretty much everybody wrote off Haggerty and said he was gonna get destroyed but then when he finishes Nong-O then suddenly Nong-O is "old and undersized". Are people ever going to respect Haggerty's accomplishments?

I do actually think Haggerty is a top fighter. I just think some of the marketing can get a bit much.
It was perfectly normal for foreigners to start on smaller shows and work their way up. Rafi is a good example and damien almos. But they were fighting people their own size and worked their way up the ranks.
Any decent show in the stadiums before they would be close in size.
What happened in bangla stadium for instance was they would put foreigners in with huge size advantages against thais so they would win and keep paying a lot of money for training.
What is annoying me at the moment is they seem to be making thais in One and Rws fight up in weight against guys who are often the best muay thai fighter in their country. That and the ranking system is practically gone in the stadiums.

 

[Nova44]

In an ideal world the farang would be in the countryside racking up experience, but it never seems to happen like that. I'm guessing its a logistics thing and of course promoters trying to court international markets.

About Haggerty, we basically already saw that happen when he stepped up to fight Rodtang. Its kinda cool to think he had already been handed a belt against old undersized Sam-A and within 30 seconds he was calling out Rodtang, the absolute hardest ask at that division. If ONE are hyping him as a phenom all over again he will get a second chance to live up to that in September. ONE should put Shadow vs Carillo as the co-main.

Nico is fighting Saemapetch in July i believe.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I mean it happens quite often that farangs start in the countryside or on the islands before ending up in the big stadiums. How many farangs do you have fighting in Koh Samui, Chiang Mai, etc.? Or even on smaller orgs like Max Muay Thai ? Even the names like Skarbowsky who were European champions when they moved to compete in Thailand started outside Bangkok to build up a name before fighting in Lumpinee and Raja.

You also have to think that usually those farangs who end up fighting the big Thai names have already established their names in the West, they're usually already some kind of champ in their country and at the top of their division there.

I think it's also a bit harsh to say that Haggerty was "handed" a belt against "old undersized" Sam-A. Not many would have beat Sam-A even at the time the fight happened. Sam-A was knocking out all the farangs he fought around that time and many thought Haggerty would have no chance. I'm pretty sure Haggerty is the only farang Sam-A lost to ever actually. Then the same thing happened with Nong-O who was on a tear and on a 5 KO win streak against the likes of Saemapetch, Rodlek, Liam Harrison, etc. Pretty much everybody wrote off Haggerty and said he was gonna get destroyed but then when he finishes Nong-O then suddenly Nong-O is "old and undersized". Are people ever going to respect Haggerty's accomplishments?

I like Haggerty, and it was pretty cool when he beat Sam-A, but I now hold him to a higher standard because he has earned it. Also I feel like ONE has a lot more prestige now that they did 5 years ago, so being among the best in ONE now means more.