Do you need high protein diet for purely strength training?

[mr.sandman]

So the title says it all. Obviosly you should be atleast maintenance calories but other then that is perfect diet needed to gain strength? I know you need good diet to gain muscle but hypertrophy is a different beast. Ofc i dont mean that you eat cotton candy and potato chips only and try to progress on lifts but if you eat normal person diet, rather on the healthy side but dont count macros, maybe low protein or carbs sometimes or whAtever and it fluctuates. You wont build muscle fast or at all with that diet but what about strength? If the person lifts heavy . Sets of 3-8 reps and heavy singles and all that.

Thanks for the replys

 

[1rawdog]

I'd suggest you look at building muscle and building strength as having the same protein requirements despite that some minor differences could be argued. Macros? Meeting protein requirements is a must for either goal, the others are more flexible.
I'd also suggest that pursuit of either of these goals can take a ton of energy which is a waste of time if not taken seriously unless you are just after mediocre results which IME lead to most people just packing it in anyways.
Nutrition is a major factor in body composition as well as strength, many would adamantly argue that it's the most important factor by far.
Shit or get of the pot.

 

[mr.sandman]

The question is more theoretical. I eat a shitton of protein. Since strength gain can be without substantial muscle gain. Nervous system adaption etc. Thats why i raise the question. To gain muscle i need to eat like 250g a day protein. Im pretty sure you could build strength with less. But im not 100% so thats why i ask maybe someone knows something on the matter

 

[mr.sandman]

Let me put it this way. Do you need to eat bodybuilder diet if the goal of your training is to gain strength not muscle?? ( pullups, presses and squats, etc)

Thanks to all who take time to reply

 

[wufabufa]

The question is more theoretical. I eat a shitton of protein. Since strength gain can be without substantial muscle gain. Nervous system adaption etc. Thats why i raise the question. To gain muscle i need to eat like 250g a day protein. Im pretty sure you could build strength with less. But im not 100% so thats why i ask maybe someone knows something on the matter

250g per day is a lot and may even be counter productive since protein is a shit source of energy and super satiating which can easily throw you off you in terms of overall caloric intake. I think the consensus among a lot of bodybuilding coaches(mainly talking about Mike Israetel since he does nothing but research ways to build muscle and has formal education to parse through the science) now is that eating 1g per lb of GOAL body weight seems to do people right. Are you tracking your calories to ensure you're in a surplus?

If 250lbs is your actual realistic goal then have at it. But if you currently weigh around 200 or under then you're better off keeping your protein lower than 250(closer to 200) and increasing fats/carbs in order to bump up your overall caloric intake so your body has enough energy to not only get through the day, but to fuel your work out and leave you with a little something extra for gains.

 

[mr.sandman]

250g per day is a lot and may even be counter productive since protein is a shit source of energy and super satiating which can easily throw you off you in terms of overall caloric intake. I think the consensus among a lot of bodybuilding coaches(mainly talking about Mike Israetel since he does nothing but research ways to build muscle and has formal education to parse through the science) now is that eating 1g per lb of GOAL body weight seems to do people right. Are you tracking your calories to ensure you're in a surplus?


If 250lbs is your actual realistic goal then have at it. But if you currently weigh around 200 or under then you're better off keeping your protein lower than 250(closer to 200) and increasing fats/carbs in order to bump up your overall caloric intake so your body has enough energy to not only get through the day, but to fuel your work out and leave you with a little something extra for gains.

Well if to talk about me. I only track that im eating enough protein. My weight is stable so that means i naturally eat exactly maintenance. My weight fluctuates between 90 and 91.5 kg i think you can call that maintenance. I did a macro calculator and it wrote i should eat 350 g of carbs or someting. Seems like crazy big number lol. But i guess im eating a huge mixture of carbs and fats i just dont add them up. Seems like huge hassle to count exact fat and carb macros too ontop protein

I dont want too much hassle with weighing and counting everything if possible. Because im no trying to be a bodybuilder nor am i pro athlete. But i am doing strength training and i want to keep progressing in the strength department. Im not looking to reach powerlifter strength levels ofc but but i want to reach respectable levels to feel good and have a good base for fighting ( not competition. Only gym sparring and to look after myself and people close to me). And because im fight fan also. I stength train everything. Heavy emphasis on forearms and neck. I do hamstrings, quads, abs the all nine yards. Ofc my favourites ohp, dips, pullups. Heavy curls etc. Strength emphasis on everything.
I hope this makes sense. English is not my main language

 

[Spetsnaz77]

So the title says it all. Obviosly you should be atleast maintenance calories but other then that is perfect diet needed to gain strength? I know you need good diet to gain muscle but hypertrophy is a different beast. Ofc i dont mean that you eat cotton candy and potato chips only and try to progress on lifts but if you eat normal person diet, rather on the healthy side but dont count macros, maybe low protein or carbs sometimes or whAtever and it fluctuates. You wont build muscle fast or at all with that diet but what about strength? If the person lifts heavy . Sets of 3-8 reps and heavy singles and all that.

Thanks for the replys

Strength is a skill... But i'd err on the side of caution and eat @ 1 gram per pound or desired body weight.

 

[Beechwood]

Don't know if this helps but saw this article and thought it interesting. I take a beae supplement and found it helps me.

Forget protein shakes and pre-workout: Scientists say BEETROOT juice 'significantly increases muscle force during exercise'

• Scientists in the UK and US tracked muscle force as participants did exercises
• Half had received a nitrate-filled drink before the workout took place
• Results showed seven percent higher muscle force in those that got the drink

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ficantly-increases-muscle-force-exercise.html

 

[mr.sandman]

Don't know if this helps but saw this article and thought it interesting. I take a beae supplement and found it helps me.

Forget protein shakes and pre-workout: Scientists say BEETROOT juice 'significantly increases muscle force during exercise'

• Scientists in the UK and US tracked muscle force as participants did exercises
• Half had received a nitrate-filled drink before the workout took place
• Results showed seven percent higher muscle force in those that got the drink

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ficantly-increases-muscle-force-exercise.html

Intresting. Beetroot juice lowers BP too i think