Going Vegan

The majority of the globalist elites would love it if they could kill off the third world...... Because most of them sign up to the 1 billion human nonsense..
 
Good for you ts. If you do something that most people don't do, they will always try to bring you down.

I don't know if this is a good decision for you physically, but it will probably make you stronger mentally.
 
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I’ve been vegetarian since my 11th birthday, and the past year have been moving toward veganism. I never really drank cow’s milk or ate eggs to begin with, but now I go out of my way to avoid them. It’s going well! My last hurdle is cheese. Right now my rule is to not bring it into the house, but I’ll eat it if I’m at my sister’s for supper.

I also take B12 supplements. As well as calcium, magnesium, and vitamin D. I find it helps perk me up.
 
Tuvatuva said:
Due to my ethical values and environmental concerns, I realized I can no longer buy animal products. I've been vegan for a several months now.

It's been easier than I thought in the sense I don't really miss meat or other animal products. I thought I would miss cheese the most, and so far It's been fine. It helps that I've been in countries with lots of Buddhists and Hindus who have had a long tradition of vegetarian/vegan cuisine.

I biggest concern was health and muscle loss. But so far I look at feel the same. I bench numbers haven't gone down. My bowel movements have a improved dramatically as I used to suffer from painful long shits. Whether that's due to the lack of meat or other factors, who knows. I also take b12 supplements as advised.

Maybe the hardest part is having to remember to check if things are vegan. Many places have put milk in my coffee or egg as I forget to ask.

I'm still new to this, and so far I feel fine, but I wonder if there are more experienced people out here who can shed more insight.
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It's good you're supplementing b12. I'd advise checking out algae omega 3 epa as it's a great source of omega 3. Flak seeds are great too and can be added to shakes or oatmeal etc.
 
Tuvatuva said:
Due to my ethical values and environmental concerns, I realized I can no longer buy animal products. I've been vegan for a several months now.

It's been easier than I thought in the sense I don't really miss meat or other animal products. I thought I would miss cheese the most, and so far It's been fine. It helps that I've been in countries with lots of Buddhists and Hindus who have had a long tradition of vegetarian/vegan cuisine.

I biggest concern was health and muscle loss. But so far I look at feel the same. I bench numbers haven't gone down. My bowel movements have a improved dramatically as I used to suffer from painful long shits. Whether that's due to the lack of meat or other factors, who knows. I also take b12 supplements as advised.

Maybe the hardest part is having to remember to check if things are vegan. Many places have put milk in my coffee or egg as I forget to ask.

I'm still new to this, and so far I feel fine, but I wonder if there are more experienced people out here who can shed more insight.
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why not just cut back in meat products? u can also get pasture raised eggs and stuff.
 
Eating roadkill/scavenging along with eating wild seasonal is quite honestly the most ethical diet you can adhere to in modern times. If you're vegan and sourcing your food from all over the globe just to mix and match your amino acids and micronutrients for a balanced meal, you're still a huge part of the problem......and the labor involved in less developed countries is borderline slavery and inhumane. But maybe humans don't count....

I'm not saying meat doesn't come with its own problems, it does for sure. But I would certainly argue that buying one locally grassfed cow from a farmer/rancher that gives a fuck about his livestock is far more ethical than the millions of animals that meet their demise in a combine/thresher/pesticide spray just so you can have avocados from Mexico, mangos from Thailand, and cassava from Nigeria. One big furry death that's intentional, or millions of incidental deaths for small animals whose lives won't be used to nourish your body in any way? I'm being hyperbolic, yes. But it's a fair question.

We can also talk about biodynamic ranching that when done well has been shown to sequester more carbon into the soil than it produces making it carbon negative.
 
wufabufa said:
Eating roadkill/scavenging along with eating wild seasonal is quite honestly the most ethical diet you can adhere to in modern times. If you're vegan and sourcing your food from all over the globe just to mix and match your amino acids and micronutrients for a balanced meal, you're still a huge part of the problem......and the labor involved in less developed countries is borderline slavery and inhumane. But maybe humans don't count....

I'm not saying meat doesn't come with its own problems, it does for sure. But I would certainly argue that buying one locally grassfed cow from a farmer/rancher that gives a fuck about his livestock is far more ethical than the millions of animals that meet their demise in a combine/thresher/pesticide spray just so you can have avocados from Mexico, mangos from Thailand, and cassava from Nigeria. One big furry death that's intentional, or millions of incidental deaths for small animals whose lives won't be used to nourish your body in any way? I'm being hyperbolic, yes. But it's a fair question.

We can also talk about biodynamic ranching that when done well has been shown to sequester more carbon into the soil than it produces making it carbon negative.
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Whatever it is that's on your plate that you're about to eat has had a journey, it's more about the impact of that journey than what is on your plate........

Vegans and Vegetarians have a moral fixation on creatures that they can empathise with...... As if plants and fungi no nothing of trauma and pain.......
 
Tuvatuva said:
Due to my ethical values and environmental concerns, I realized I can no longer buy animal products. I've been vegan for a several months now.

It's been easier than I thought in the sense I don't really miss meat or other animal products. I thought I would miss cheese the most, and so far It's been fine. It helps that I've been in countries with lots of Buddhists and Hindus who have had a long tradition of vegetarian/vegan cuisine.

I biggest concern was health and muscle loss. But so far I look at feel the same. I bench numbers haven't gone down. My bowel movements have a improved dramatically as I used to suffer from painful long shits. Whether that's due to the lack of meat or other factors, who knows. I also take b12 supplements as advised.

Maybe the hardest part is having to remember to check if things are vegan. Many places have put milk in my coffee or egg as I forget to ask.

I'm still new to this, and so far I feel fine, but I wonder if there are more experienced people out here who can shed more insight.
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Be careful. It's pretty soy and estrogenic if not particular.
 
Keep at it mate. Don't bother reading anything the Neanderthals are typing in this thread.
 
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Tone C said:
Hang on....you're a vegan and we're only finding this out after several months? Something's not quite right with this picture...
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Next thing you know, he'll be back to talk about his Tesla.
 
Phlog said:
The deaths involved in a field of avocado trees is way higher than in a field of grass fed cows.

Because growing vegan food attracts animals that eat it and you have to kill them to protect the crop.

If you don't drink milk, that is a cow that no longer has a fiscal reason to be kept alive, and therefore avoiding milk causes the death of a cow, not it's liberation.

Don't for a second think that it's ethical to go vegan on the basis of reducing animal deaths, it's quite the opposite. The only arguement for it in that regard is the environmental arguement, one that's suspect in other ways we won't go into here.

Regarding health, the likely impact will be weaker bones and tendons, higher rates of depression and anxiety. Hair loss, muscle wasting, skin rashes, hypothyroidism, and anemia. Depression is increased, as is anxiety.

Nutrients such as omega-3, iron, calcium, iodine, and vitamin B12 are more difficult to obtain from plant-based foods. Often leading to over or under consumption.

And why the fuck do you care if someone puts milk in your coffee, you're not allergic to it, it's not some kind of magic, there's no immortal sin you'd be committing.
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You know animals eat plants right? Fuck all cows are raised on grass. Pretty much everything you said was completely wrong.
 
You do what you want. I have a nutrition book somewhere, I CBB getting it out but I remember there are a few nutritional deficiencies in the vegan diet you have to watch out for that are less obvious than B12. There are also certain micronutrients that are easy to absorb from animal products (iron, vitamin A, vitamin K) but only exist in poorly-absorbed forms in plants. So even though on a tracking app it looks you're getting enough of it, you're not actually absorbing much of it and will become deficient. So make sure you look it up and cross your Ts and dot your Is.

Personally all I can say is that the majority of people who go vegan are fine in the beginning, but eventually end up discontinuing the vegan diet. People who stay on it long-term are rare. I presume that this is because your liver has reserves of fat-soluble micronutrients. So if you have a deficit, you may not feel it initially because you're running on reserves. If you start feeling lousy at some point, make sure to not ignore it and find a solution. A lot of vegans become in denial that their diet is making them sick and keep doing something that doesn't work for much longer than necessary.
 
Good for you. I have been vegan/vegetarian in the past and will probably do so in the future (I have mixed feelings on the politics of it but dont hold a grudge against either side). I never felt the need to take supplements, although I never went for years and years. More like a year here or there with cheats if it came up. The cheats generally being because I thought it was crueler to the animal to have someone throw away animal products that they tried to serve me than for me to eat it. Also if you stop eating animal products for a long time and then eat some whether accidentally or by necessity, it will really fuck your body up for a couple days. I once had to pull over and shit on the side of the road when I accidentally ate a little chicken that I thought was tofu in a salad. (I made sure to "cheat" at least once every two months or so after that.)

I'll note that I was an endurance athlete (marathons, triathlons, etc) at the time. I've never done it while participating in combat sports.

That said you may want to check out some forums from that world, i.e. see if Vegan ultramarathoners take anything special and the like, because that's also a big physical output and those kind of diets are common among those athletes.
 
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I would never advise anyone to go vegan. I worked with a woman who became vegan and she just went to shit. Lost way too much weight, her hair was a greasy mess and she looked jaundiced. She also seemed massively depressed and lethargic.
 
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