International Biden Admin takes next step toward WWIII - Blinken "Ukraine will become a member of NATO"

[Cid]

#2 is allied with #3.... with a "No Limits Partnership"

No limits.... China won't send weapons for the war they're fighting now. Or even sell them to Russia.

China is not friends with Russia because of actions undertaken by Russia in China's century of humiliation. Russia still has land China considers theirs.

There are 76 countries more corrupt than Ukraine you retard.

How do dumb shits like yourself expect to be taken seriously when you're too lazy to do a 2 minute google search?

2023 Corruption Perceptions Index: Explore the results

How does your country measure up in the 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index?

www.transparency.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

How did you not question it? It's Eastern Europe not Africa!

You really have to be as dumb as dog shit to believe a country in EUROPE is the most corrupt country on earth.

If Ukraine was in South America or Africa you may not need google.


But you really have to be a unique level of stupid to read most corrupt nation on earth is in Europe and believe it at face value.

Develop some critical thinking skills man.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Civil conflict is a completely different scenario than taking on an outside force, if some pmc company in my country started gunning for capital, no one would stop them because everyone would be like wtf.

Yea they are not usa level but good enough to take on anyone in europe

They're barely good enough to take on Ukraine.

 

[grimballer]

Yes.

so what you want them to do? let the violent insurrectionists murder cops and political opposition and do nothing about it?

whats the point of the government if not to preserve law and order?

i get you live in a place where government is not even in charge and criminals call all the shots so government being in charge is a foreign concept for you.

Western backed opposition removes Russian backed president and then carry snap elections.

removed democratically elected president in a coup.... no matter how much you dance around it and perform your mental gymnastics. that fact doesn't change.

that "russian president" even offered western backed mob early elections and they still ousted him.

Im pretty sure it was over him refusing to sign the EU deal.

irrelevant... western backed opposition doesn't get to remove democratically elected president cause hes not pushing their agenda.

he offered them early elections so people get to decide democratically and they still ousted him from power

 

[Sinister]

you mean violent insurrectionists attacking cops and political opposition?


western backed opposition removes democratically elected president cause hes not a western puppet

democracy at work

President refuses to abide the will of his own people, cozies up to dictator instead of signing a treaty approved by his own parliament

Authoritarian-backed authoritarianism at work

 

[Cole train]

They're barely good enough to take on Ukraine.

First off ukraine has entire west running weapons there, they would have fell by summer 2022 without it

Second, im not sure where this underestimation of ukr military is coming from

Ukraine had one of few militaries in europe ready for this level of conflict with enough slack ammo to hold off few months alone (western europe is at 2 days to 3 weeks depending on country)

Their air defences and artillery are at better level than UK in 2022 according to royal united research institute

Their troops had huge amount of combat veterans from donbas conflict who played huge part in stopping rus invasion in 22.

Problems in high command do exist due to soviet tradition but company level and lower young officers are western trained and experienced once again thanks to donbas.

This "western military is superior" applies to USA who no one can stop

It does not apply to europe or more accurately west europe especially

 

[grimballer]

President refuses to abide the will of his own people, cozies up to dictator instead of signing a treaty approved by his own parliament

Authoritarian-backed authoritarianism at work

great! ppl will vote him out in next election

unfortunately they didn't get the chance to let their voices heard as western backed opposition just removed him in a coup even after he offered them early elections

 

[Islam Imamate]

First off ukraine has entire west running weapons there, they would have fell by summer 2022 without it

Second, im not sure where this underestimation of ukr military is coming from

Ukraine had one of few militaries in europe ready for this level of conflict with enough slack ammo to hold off few months alone (western europe is at 2 days to 3 weeks depending on country)

Their air defences and artillery are at better level than UK in 2022 according to royal united research institute

Their troops had huge amount of combat veterans from donbas conflict who played huge part in stopping rus invasion in 22.

Problems in high command do exist due to soviet tradition but company level and lower young officers are western trained and experienced once again thanks to donbas

I'm pretty sure if Russia attacked any significant country in Europe the US would support them much more readily. Many of them are in NATO already which would mean triggering article 5.

 

[Cole train]

I'm pretty sure if Russia attacked any significant country in Europe the US would support them much more readily. Many of them are in NATO already which would mean triggering article 5.

Oh yea russia would lose to NATO thanks to USA but i was taking more europe centric approach

I took part in this conversation because people keep calling russian military dogshit which it is compared to USA

If compared to Europe russian military is not dogshit since militaries west of poland are in even worse shape currently unable to wage war longer than month or are non functional or non existant

 

[Sinister]

great! ppl will vote him out in next election

unfortunately they didn't get the chance to let their voices heard as western backed opposition just removed him in a coup even after he offered them early elections

The promise was clearly a stall tactic which had challenges from the beginning. First off the Russian minister declined to sign it, and later Putin condemned it as a secession of power, which was the while f*ckin purpose. Why would the Russian President point out the obvious? Because the power to be lost was his own. Also:

"The leader of the Right Sector, Dmytro Yarosh stated that the Agreement does not provide a clear commitment to the President's resignation, the dissolution of the Verkhovna Rada, the punishment of heads of law enforcement agencies and "criminal orders, which were killed about a hundred Ukrainian citizens", and refused to comply with it."

The opposition has plenty of reason to distrust such a vague agreement, which ultimately wasn't even implemented.

Fun fact. One of the main opposition leaders to sign that agreement was this guy:



Vitali is the head of the Ukranian Democratic Alliance for Reform.

 

[Rod1]

so what you want them to do? let the violent insurrectionists murder cops and political opposition and do nothing about it?

They only turned violent when Yanukovych introduced anti-protest laws and tried to break them down.

whats the point of the government if not to preserve law and order?

The point of government is to represent the people, the people wanted economic ties with the EU and Yanukovych didn't.

criminals call all the shots so government being in charge is a foreign concept for you.

You mean like Russia?

removed democratically elected president in a coup.... no matter how much you dance around it and perform your mental gymnastics. that fact doesn't change.

So i guess Russia invaded Ukraine to restore democratic order as response right?

Oh no, it invaded and annexed land, so it had absolutely nothing to do with a coup.

that "russian president" even offered western backed mob early elections and they still ousted him.

And elections happen, what are you bitching about?

irrelevant... western backed opposition doesn't get to remove democratically elected president cause hes not pushing their agenda.

he offered them early elections so people get to decide democratically and they still ousted him from power

Explain to me, how is a country that suffered a coup returns to being a democracy?

Is Chile not a democracy because Allende was killed by Pinochet? do they need to bring Allende from the dead and have him finish his term?

 

[Rod1]

great! ppl will vote him out in next election

unfortunately they didn't get the chance to let their voices heard as western backed opposition just removed him in a coup even after he offered them early elections

Ok, so if the West decided to invade Belarus on the fact that Belarus doesn't has elections, would it be ok in your book? how does you morals even work?

 

[grimballer]

The promise was clearly a stall tactic which had challenges from the beginning. First off the Russian minister declined to sign it, and later Putin condemned it as a secession of power, which was the while f*ckin purpose. Why would the Russian President point out the obvious? Because the power to be lost was his own. Also:

"The leader of the Right Sector, Dmytro Yarosh stated that the Agreement does not provide a clear commitment to the President's resignation, the dissolution of the Verkhovna Rada, the punishment of heads of law enforcement agencies and "criminal orders, which were killed about a hundred Ukrainian citizens", and refused to comply with it."

The opposition has plenty of reason to distrust such a vague agreement, which ultimately wasn't even implemented.

Fun fact. One of the main opposition leaders to sign that agreement was this guy:



Vitali is the head of the Ukranian Democratic Alliance for Reform.

that's pretty much it... duly elected president is caving in and accepting demands from the rabid insurrectionists.

even then he was removed in a coup.

and you really think quoting some ultranationalist who celebrates killings of civilians helps your case here?

 

[grimballer]

Ok, so if the West decided to invade Belarus on the fact that Belarus doesn't has elections, would it be ok in your book? how does you morals even work?

what? were you in coma in 90s and 00s or wasn't born yet? west already invaded plenty of countries to "spread democracy"

in ukraine they backed a coup to remove democratically elected president.

it's bizarre to even go there with wests track record

 

[lsa]

You are arguing with a flat earther. FYI

Lets not forget, God sent him here.
So he claims.

 

[jefferz]

#2 is allied with #3.... with a "No Limits Partnership"

And both of them are allied with Iran.... and there's nothing going on down there, is there?

So yes... this development is concerning and if you're thinking nothing of it.. .You're not paying attention (IE - Have you head jammed up your ass)

Like I said... Prior to Russian invading Ukraine, what exactly was the US's "critical" relationship with the Ukrainian government... The Government deemed the most corrupt in Europe.

It was stupid to announce this prior to ceasing the conflict between the Countries. Many of you supporting this say it won't happen until the war is over... Exactly. But now, if you're Putin, what incentive is there to stop the war and negotiate. Knowing that the EU and the US are ready to drop another NATO country on your border.

Putin can almost keep this going indefinitely. He has zero regard for sacrificing his own people. Ukraine needs assistance to keep going... and support is starting waiver in certain circles.

Ukraine says it uncovered $40 million corruption scheme in weapons procurement​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/europe/ukraine-weapons-procurement-corruption-shell-intl/index.html

How Deep Does Corruption Run in Ukraine?

Ukraine has made significant progress fighting graft, but its record continues to haunt it.

foreignpolicy.com

And Where does Blinkin (Biden) get off speaking for the 30+ countries in NATO. Did the Biden Admin even consult with NATO being shitting out this statement in a random interview? It sure doesn't look like it.



lol...

What a cluster fuck by these inept morons.



Poles and Ukrainians are at loggerheads. That’s good news for Putin

Poles and Ukrainians are at loggerheads. That’s good news for Putin

Farm exports and freight are the problems

www.economist.com

In any event, the protest has damaged the countries’ relations. At the start of the war Poland and Ukraine were united as blood brothers against a common enemy. The Poles took in refugees and slipped mig fighter jets over the border, disguising them as spare parts. Now many Poles see Ukraine as a corrupt or even dangerous competitor. Many Ukrainians see Poles as impeding their survival. Confusion and distrust reign. And even if the idea that Russia has had a hand is exaggerated, it has poisoned the well further.

The timing for something like this couldn't be worse. It seems like the Biden Admin has zero idea what it's doing. And if Biden was younger and more involved, I bet we wouldn't be seeing these constant unforced errors by his staff.

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[PEB]

Ok I'll explain. Russia is the one nation on earth that could very feasibly vaporize the US and Western Europe out of existence, so all this posturing wont lead to anything. And no, Ukraine wont be joining NATO.

Your welcome.

You think Putn willing to risk his half a trillion plus to go to war with NATO or US? Seriously US has the capability to flatten Moscow without dropping a single nuke. They can fly in with 200 cruise missiles launch at the same time.

See the level of damage that would cause. Ukraine flew 90 drones into Russia made of wood an cloth many still hit oil refineries. Putin knows he would give up everything not happening.

 

[mon]

What's wild is that Russia can dictate what Ukraine can and can't do. If Ukraine step out of line WW3 starts and it's not Russia's fault it's Ukraine and the US for not doing what Russia wants.

Very weird to me how people take that sort of stance. Can Russia start telling the US what to do and threaten us with WW3 if we don't?

Cuba......

 

[grimballer]

They only turned violent when Yanukovych introduced anti-protest laws and tried to break them down.

yeah, he introduced anti protest laws for no reason, has nothing to do with insurrectionists getting violent and actually killing people.

remember those insurrectionists snipers killing civilians?

The point of government is to represent the people, the people wanted economic ties with the EU and Yanukovych didn't.

people elected their president... foreign backed opposition doesn't get to remove him cause they don't like his policies. if we follow your logic then every time a politician doesn't deliver what he campaigned for he should be removed in a coup. that means puppet comedian should be ousted.

theres no point of having elections.

You mean like Russia?

russia isnt murder capital of the world...

So i guess Russia invaded Ukraine to restore democratic order as response right?

Oh no, it invaded and annexed land, so it had absolutely nothing to do with a coup.

well people in crimea democratically chose to leave ukraine and join russia...

so not only do you support coups that remove democratically elected presidents, you also dont wanna give people the right of self determination?

do you even pretend to be pro democracy at this point?

And elections happen, what are you bitching about?

elections also happened in crimea and donbas...

i guess those don't count cause you don't like the results

Explain to me, how is a country that suffered a coup returns to being a democracy?

Is Chile not a democracy because Allende was killed by Pinochet? do they need to bring Allende from the dead and have him finish his term?

they were bombing people in donbas during that time...

its a joke to suggest that western installed puppets were "democratic"

 

[irish_thug]

Lets not forget, God sent him here.
So he claims.

To remind us to ignore flat earthers

 

[Lucas1980]

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How was Pence able to afford that on a politicians' salary?

We can show almost everyone's home in congress and ask the same exact question...