Charles Olivera was robbed

[kellier]

I love Charlie but he lost 29-28.

2 of my group scored the first for Arman (both had 2.5 min control) but I think the guillotine was so fucking deep, its got the same weight as a heavy flurry that hurts & nearly finishes a guy.

Most of the fight he was on his back eating elbows. And the d'arce in the 3rd was never really there. He didn't have it properly synced

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I think subs should score more than they do but I think Arman deserved it.

 

[swarrrm]

Bit of an extreme take, don't ya think, Nancy?


You never told me you could read. I never woulda guessed

Fair, but I lived through the Fitch era and I see LNP making a comeback. Calling me Nancy made me chuckle.

Run it back in a 5 rounder

Best post, great idea.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

We where robbed of 2 more rnds. They should have made it a 5 rounder to see if Arman has the dog in him.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

He didnt give a thumbs up

99 % sure because i remember being hopeful til the very end. Let me know after your rewatch aint gonna watch that shit again

Yes he did, at the 10 second mark. He went flat, so the ref checked on him and he flashed it real quick before going back to Charles. Anik called it out

 

[TrueBias]

Gifs of him going out?

I saw it In real time and yeah, arman drops dead, then...comes back?

Unsure why hed play possum like that..

 

[Conan the K-9]

He's not past his prime, he was just fighting a better grappler.

Strange take. How is someone the better grappler if he is the one defending the subs and never put his opponent in danger?

 

[RockyLockridge]

Strange take. How is someone the better grappler if he is the one defending the subs and never put his opponent in danger?

That's an even stranger take,Armen is the one getting take downs, almost always in control, lands more ground strikes, does more damage, and you still question if Charles is a better grappler? How incredibly obtuse of you

 

[Conan the K-9]

That's an even stranger take, the one getting take downs almost always in control, does more damage, and the we still question if Charles is a better grappler? How incredibly obtuse of you

So you think if they would do a submission grappling match, Arman would win?

 

[RockyLockridge]

So you think if they would do a submission grappling match, Arman would win?

I think in a mixed martial arts bout, Arman is CLEARLY the better grappler.

 

[Conan the K-9]

I think in a mixed martial arts bout, Armen is CLEARLY the better grappler.

I think they have totally different styles of grappling and this is the reason why they are so hard to compare. But in a submission grappling bout the winner would be quite clear.
And I’m not taking anything away from Armans win, he did a very good job and defended well, but he was the one in dangerous positions.

 

[BFoe]

Gifs of him going out?

I saw it In real time and yeah, arman drops dead, then...comes back?

Unsure why hed play possum like that..

In round 3? He didn’t go out or play possum, he laid flat to alleviate the pressure of the D’Arce. It is a legitimate defense, Rener Gracie explained here:

 

[Oldman1]

I love Charlie but he lost 29-28.

2 of my group scored the first for Arman (both had 2.5 min control) but I think the guillotine was so fucking deep, its got the same weight as a heavy flurry that hurts & nearly finishes a guy.

Most of the fight he was on his back eating elbows. And the d'arce in the 3rd was never really there. He didn't have it properly synced

Dont recall any flurry that nearly finished the fight in the first. Round 1 was without doubt Olivera.

 

[Left Hook Lacy]

That's an even stranger take,Armen is the one getting take downs, almost always in control, lands more ground strikes, does more damage, and you still question if Charles is a better grappler? How incredibly obtuse of you

You're only talking about round 2.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Gifs of him going out?

I saw it In real time and yeah, arman drops dead, then...comes back?

Unsure why hed play possum like that..

Never went out. If you're talking about the third round when he went belly down, that's because a darce is applied to a kneeling opponent by pressing down on their back, but that pressure is removed by laying down.

Going belly down means the choke can't be finished unless Oliviera is able to walk up and snake Arman's leg with his own.

So you think if they would do a submission grappling match, Arman would win?

Most submission grappling matches have time limits and winning on points, so.. yeah?

 

[method115]

I love Oliveira, but just no. You don’t win a fight by doing no damage getting controlled for three rounds and attempting two submissions.

Also, the judge who scored it in his favour is an idiot.

Yea I wanted him to win that fight but he didn't.

 

[Conan the K-9]

Most submission grappling matches have time limits and winning on points, so.. yeah?

Under what rule set do you win, if you sit inside your opponents guard?

 

[djacobox372]

Strange that people are lauding Arman's "control." What sort of "control" gets you caught in tight submissions multiple times while never presenting any danger yourself?

 

[danielzmcwire]

Fair decision, stop smoking

 

[kellier]

Dont recall any flurry that nearly finished the fight in the first. Round 1 was without doubt Olivera.

I said the guillotine had the same equivalence as a near fight ending flurry, since it nearly ended the fight