Colby says khabib never fought a high level wrestler

[moosaev]

You literally just did what you're accusing others of lmao.

Coby said:


He didn't say just a wrestler, he said they need to also be good in submissions and defensive wrestling. Which Gaethje turned out to be shit at (and he himself had admitted to that pre-fight).

If Khabib did it to GSP he'd be doing exactly what Colby ACTUALLY said, which was having done it to a guy who could wrestle and grapple. The goalposts wouldn't change, it would just actually fit Colby's criteria while Gaethje doesn't.

Thats even a dumber point, how many fighters are really good at offensive wrestling, defensive wrestling, submissions, AND striking? Colby wants Khabib to fight a unicorn lmao. He's essentially docking points from Khabib because he didn't fight the perfect fighter lol. Colby isn't even the person he's describing. Like i said, Khabib haters have to resort to setting impossibly high standards in order to discredit his resume. His resume is very strong, the only thing lacking is longevity. But the quality of opposition he's fought is top notch considering he only had 13 fights in the UFC.

 

[Pierced7681]

They're both at the same level of wrestling. All-american NCAA guys who hardly used their wrestling in their careers except defensively, preferring to strike.

Yoel was initially at a higher level of wrestling but his mma career was similar.

Khabib never really faced a legit grappling specialist. Like I said, otherwise one of his fights would have looked like Islam vs Arman, but none of them did.

Yoel lost in the Olympics to the best Folkstyle wrestler of all time, Cael Sanderson. How can you say he’s at a higher level than ncaa athletes?

Who does folkstyle wrestling outside of US?
Freestyle wrestling is also more compatible for mma.

Nah, folkstyle is the best style, especially for mma. Most freestyle guys struggle with control once it hits the mat.

 

[Substance Abuse]

This. None of them are offensive wrestlers in mma. They have a wrestling background but they don't fight like that in mma.

But I do think it would take more than just wrestling to beat Khabib. You need both wrestling offense/defense and submission offense/defense at a high level.

I did find it funny that when Yoel finally used his wrestling against Weidman, the Chris looked absolutely lost, not knowing what to do, unable to get Yoel off of him, and then Yoel basically abandoned it afterward outside of a few instances in other fights.

 

[NoSmilez]

Shalarus

Wow, so Colby never seen Khabib vs Tibau fight either, he is just like most sherdoggers.

So Shalarus, who was an Olympic qualifier for example, is probably a better wrestler than Colby.

Khabib would absolutely embarrass Colby, I have no doubt about that. Colby's mma grappling is so basic, he is like 5 levels below Khabib.

Shalarus placed 8th in the qualifier for Great Britain. It is actually pretty bad considering England isn't a wrestling country even though it is the home of Catch. They even skipped the Olympics for a few times because they didn't have athletes. I think last time they placed within top 3 in the actual Olympics was in the 80s as opposed to multiple medals in early 1900s.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Colby's whole act is to bring doubt to or downplay anyone else as often as possible in between shit talking and outright lying to play the heel.

Here he's being a typical Suredawgger and dumping on Khabib after the fact. No one has an infallible resume and every fighter who fights long enough has less than stellar performances. There is enough nuance and differences through disciplines and fight styles that not every fight is going to well for guys, win or lose. Colby himself is proof of this.

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

It was pre prime in both's careers but Ali Bagov was one of the absolute best offensive wrestlers in his prime at 155. Also Shalorus and Tibau in the UFC, not that either of them were on prime Bagov's level in that phase.

 

[Substance Abuse]

The same Colby who was struggling against RDA ?

If RDA started to wrestle earlier in that fight, he probably wins it.

 

[markg171]

Thats even a dumber point, how many fighters are really good at offensive wrestling, defensive wrestling, submissions, AND striking? Colby wants Khabib to fight a unicorn lmao. He's essentially docking points from Khabib because he didn't fight the perfect fighter lol. Colby isn't even the person he's describing. Like i said, Khabib haters have to resort to setting impossibly high standards in order to discredit his resume. His resume is very strong, the only thing lacking is longevity. But the quality of opposition he's fought is top notch considering he only had 13 fights in the UFC.

Plenty of them at WW where Khabib fought half his career.

Also not sure how you can say Khabib's competition is top notch. Colby himself has fought more top fighters than Khabib and he also has 13 fights in the UFC.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Khabib at 170 would wreck Covington

 

[Dionysian]

What are Colby's wrestling accolades on paper relative to Gaethje? Any wrestlers on here that can clarify?

 

[MeatWagon06]

Basically Khabib never fought or beat anyone better than him...because no LW MMA fighter was or is better than him.

If some think that tarnishes his legacy what can you do lol

Pffft…


Khabib would have no chance taking down Prime Penn, Edgar, or Benson.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

I did find it funny that when Yoel finally used his wrestling against Weidman, the Chris looked absolutely lost, not knowing what to do, unable to get Yoel off of him, and then Yoel basically abandoned it afterward outside of a few instances in other fights.

Yeah a lot of people don't expect him to go for takedowns even though he's an Olympic medalist. He doesn't go for takedowns much but he'll do it once it awhile but he never focuses on control. I guess his style of wrestling was never control focused, and just take down focused. So he'll get the takedowns but be unable to control them and keep them grounded after. He may have controlled Weidman back then but he hasn't controlled any of the recent fighters he has taken down. Maybe it's too taxing on his body now, all that muscle will make it hard to keep a constant heavy pace of takedowns/grappling/scrambles for 5 minute rounds. Wrestling rounds are shorter in duration.

 

[DoNoootin]

What about Garthje? he was NCAA Division 1, just like Colby.

 

[JustOnce]

"Khabib Nurmagomedov never really fought a high-level wrestler that could challenge him or that was good, you know, in both areas of striking and wrestling and submissions and defensive wrestling. So, you know there's always been those doubts about Khabib's legacy... Even, a lot of people thought that he lost to a guy he used to train with all the time, Tibau. Gleison Tibau. He won a split decision over him but a lot of people thought he lost that fight so I definitely think that puts a damper on Khabib's legacy,” Colby had noted in his recent interview with Submission Radio.

is he right ? Or is he drinking that haterade ?

He's right. Colby would smash Khabib.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

Colby would easily manhandle Khabob to a decision.

Colby wrestled a fading RDA worse than Khabib manhandled a prime RDA, even getting taken down and controlled for more than 2 minutes.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I thought the bear looked pretty good at wrestling.

 

[FKAri]

Those same people assume Yoel is a 'high level wrestler' and actually expect him to use wrestling in big fights, when the guy has rarely used his wrestling in the cage.

Same for Gaethje.

With Yoel and other former high level wrestlers that no longer wrestle, it's usually the offensive aspect that is not maintained and fades. I can't think of too many situations where they are no longer even able to defensively wrestle. Gaethje sprawled, then gave up his back and let Khabib get into full mount in a couple seconds.

 

[Zanderlini]

Well technically he’s wrong Khabib won a ud against Tibau, but most sherdoggers will argue it was a robbery

I rewatched the fight and I thought Tibau did nothing except avoid being taken down. I guess Tibau had like 3 more sig strikes then Khabib but Khabib had way more control in each round, and was the aggressor the whole fight. I thought giving Khabib the fight was the right call, plus Tibau was obviously juiced, juiced to the gills. If that fight would have happened post USADA with Khabib of the last 5 fights, it wouldn't even be close.

 

[JoshR86]

He stuffed and sprawled Chandler's takedown accounts to oblivion, so its unfair to say he forgot how to wrestle. He's still a good defensive wrestler, Khabib just walked through him because he's that damn good.

Justin never acclimated, he arrived in Dubai a few days before the fight,.

It boggles my mind, how he would ignore and overlook such a key performance inhibitor as acclimation.

really questions how serious he took the bout, he either was mentally defeated before the fight ever happened or he threw the fight.

 

[snackgod]

"Khabib Nurmagomedov never really fought a high-level wrestler that could challenge him or that was good, you know, in both areas of striking and wrestling and submissions and defensive wrestling. So, you know there's always been those doubts about Khabib's legacy... Even, a lot of people thought that he lost to a guy he used to train with all the time, Tibau. Gleison Tibau. He won a split decision over him but a lot of people thought he lost that fight so I definitely think that puts a damper on Khabib's legacy,” Colby had noted in his recent interview with Submission Radio.

is he right ? Or is he drinking that haterade ?

how many top wreslter has colby fought? what i want to know is where were all those top wrestlers for khabib to fight? he bought a few black belts so that means they have grappling and a ground game so that like a wreslter. kevin lee was never in any spot to fight khabib also eddie turned down khabib to fight conor before fighting conor was seen as the money fight. conor becoming champ chmpa help make conor fights 10 times bigger.