Social conservatives are angry that Alexander the great is being portrayed historically accurate..

ShadowRun said:
They also slept 6-8 hours they should just show that off too ...
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Not even sure what point you're trying to make here.
F1980 said:
Being gay isn't central to who Alexander the Great was

But they need to stop showing gays kissing/sex scenes. Just mention it, don't show 2 dudes kissing. It is EXTREMELY off-putting to straight men. Gay kissing or sex scene can ruin an entire movie for a lot of people. And it's not homophobia.
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In the tweet posted the person being interviewed pretty much says he wasn't gay in the modern sense of the word.
 
Pederastic relationships in Greece were based on a hierarchy of power. The older man of higher status had a teenager of lower social status "serve him" in exchange for social favour and receiving a higher social position. It was an exploitative rapport written inside a highly heteronormative viewpoint, that of bottom = woman = inferior. Basically an exchange, not equivalent to a male-female relationship. This kind of stuff would be classified as statutory rape today and would be illegal. It had nothing to do with the concept of an equal, loving relationship or liason where both parties were into it, like it is today. The Greeks had no concept of romantic love between men.

Nobody knows if Alexander was actually gay the way we construe it now. He probably wasn't. His supposed "gay companion" was of a profoundly lower social status. If he had sex with him, it would be seen as a symbolic act of dominance and opportunism, not love. As usual TV makers took something complex and tried to turn it into some sort of social commentary victory that isn't accurate.
 
Renard said:
Pederastic relationships in Greece were based on a hierarchy of power. The older man of higher status had a teenager of lower social status "serve him" in exchange for social favour and receiving a higher social position. It was an exploitative rapport written inside a highly heteronormative viewpoint, that of bottom = woman = inferior. Basically an exchange, not equivalent to a male-female relationship. This kind of stuff would be classified as statutory rape today and would be illegal. It had nothing to do with the concept of an equal, loving relationship or liason where both parties were into it, like it is today. The Greeks had no concept of romantic love between men.

Nobody knows if Alexander was actually gay the way we construe it now. He probably wasn't. His supposed "gay companion" was of a profoundly lower social status. If he had sex with him, it would be seen as a symbolic act of dominance and opportunism, not love. As usual TV makers took something complex and tried to turn it into some sort of social commentary victory that isn't accurate.
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Well the guy in the short clip included in the Twitter post linked in the OP outright says that the Greeks didn't have a word for homosexuality and did not think of it in the same way we today do.
F1980 said:
Being gay isn't central to who Alexander the Great was

But they need to stop showing gays kissing/sex scenes. Just mention it, don't show 2 dudes kissing. It is EXTREMELY off-putting to straight men. Gay kissing or sex scene can ruin an entire movie for a lot of people. And it's not homophobia.
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Its been a while but I remember one of my professors in college, one of the few right wing ones, talked about a story where a Persian messenger was sent to relay a message to Alexander. In a place like Persia its always obvious who the king is because his status is made apparent by his clothing and ornamentation and the deference of his subjects around him. But when the messenger arrived at the camp where Alexander was all he saw was a bunch of naked dudes engaging in some weird ritual. He called for Alexander and one of the men came to him. This was scandalous to the Persian because in his mind it was not what he would expect of a leader but to Alexander it was normal.

The point my professor was making by bringing this up was to make the distinction between the West and the East and how the former had a more egalitarian spirit(hence Alexander being indistinguishable from his men in a way a Persian ruler would never be) but also I think it shows that they acted pretty "gay" by modern standards. The ritual wasn't actually anything sexual, it was apparently something they did before engaging in athletic competition which was common for armies at the time to celebrate a victory and which they also did naked, but if you depicted that to a modern audience it'd probably be seen as gratuitous.
 
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Renard said:
Pederastic relationships in Greece were based on a hierarchy of power. The older man of higher status had a teenager of lower social status "serve him" in exchange for social favour and receiving a higher social position. It was an exploitative rapport written inside a highly heteronormative viewpoint, that of bottom = woman = inferior. Basically an exchange, not equivalent to a male-female relationship. This kind of stuff would be classified as statutory rape today and would be illegal. It had nothing to do with the concept of an equal, loving relationship or liason where both parties were into it, like it is today. The Greeks had no concept of romantic love between men.

Nobody knows if Alexander was actually gay the way we construe it now. He probably wasn't. His supposed "gay companion" was of a profoundly lower social status. If he had sex with him, it would be seen as a symbolic act of dominance and opportunism, not love. As usual TV makers took something complex and tried to turn it into some sort of social commentary victory that isn't accurate.
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well to be fair, there's no evidence out there that suggests he didn't enjoy fucking other dudes.

he might be a little bit gay.
 
Scheme said:
It is still well disputed whether he was even gay or not. There are no recounts of him ever kissing or sleeping with a man, it's all speculation based on loose things like him being called womanly and shit. As far as evidence goes, there's very little suggesting he was homosexual.

However, we do know he was into women, as he had multiple wives and a son.
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So for all we know he could had been bi-curious
 
tastaylvr said:
What shows are conservatives happy with?

They seem to hate everything. This seems to be the difference between conservatives and everyone else. Conservatives find the worst in everything so their central beliefs seem to be surrounded by hate.

glass half empty people suck tbh
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tastaylvr said:


Why are conservatives mad at every single historical depiction of ancient Greece?

Alexander the great had sex with men. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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I’m not going to watch this because it doesn’t meet my criteria. I only watch movies with strong black female leads.
 
Not really that surprising Alex the Manlet was into weird shit.

Edit: Apparently he was just gay. The horror. Who the fuck cares. His height is an actual issue.
 
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F1980 said:
Being gay isn't central to who Alexander the Great was

But they need to stop showing gays kissing/sex scenes. Just mention it, don't show 2 dudes kissing. It is EXTREMELY off-putting to straight men. Gay kissing or sex scene can ruin an entire movie for a lot of people. And it's not homophobia.
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Seeing two men kiss draws the same reaction from men as seeing a load of maggots

They did a study apprantly
 
F1980 said:
Being gay isn't central to who Alexander the Great was

But they need to stop showing gays kissing/sex scenes. Just mention it, don't show 2 dudes kissing. It is EXTREMELY off-putting to straight men. Gay kissing or sex scene can ruin an entire movie for a lot of people. And it's not homophobia.
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This sounds homophonic ^
 
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