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Let's go with the war analogy then. When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, did we fall back and pull our pacific fleet from Hawaii and regroup in the mainland? What we did instead was galvanized together as a nation, gathered intelligence to understand the enemy's strength and movements, cracked their code, and planned a counterattack that culminated in the victory at Midway. To deal with this pandemic, we need to do the same. Unite as a country and gather intelligence. To fight an enemy, we need to understand the who we are fighting against. What we need to know is the scope of the pandemic, and right now we are not doing that. We don't have enough infection tests to adequately identify hot spots to manage, and we aren't even doing antibody testing for the most part to really understand the full scope of the spread, and what are the more accurate true hospitalization rate and mortality rate.

To use another war analogy, when the Germans blitzed the UK, did the Brits stop what they were doing and fall back? What they did was to protect the most vulnerable population, particularly children, and relocated them further away, while the rest of the population continued to contribute to the war and defense efforts, hence keep calm and carry on. To fight this pandemic effectively we cannot let it destroy our way of life. What we need to do is to protect the vulnerable population: the elderly and people with underlying health conditions. The hot spots for spread are mostly at nursing homes and hospitals, where unfortunately most of the vulnerable populace is. We need to focus on managing the spread at those places. For example, we need to test all the healthcare workers and nursing home staff to make sure they are not infected and spreading to the vulnerable people, and test the elderly to catch infections early to ensure higher survival outcome. We need to have more antibody tests to see who among the medical staff have gained immunity, and have them work on COVID-19 cases so as to keep the other medical staff safe. Through these strategic measures we can save more lives and keep our healthcare system afloat.

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It seems that most of the people think of the exit strategy as an all or nothing scenario: either full lockdown until we starve the virus out, or resuming all businesses with no changes. Either option is untenable. Lockdowns lasting months will destroy people's livelihood, and we are already at 17 million unemployed. Loss of jobs means higher risk of death and potential social unrest. Plus with a very long incubation period, asymptomatic spread and global travel, the virus can easily make a comeback. However, if we resume business with no precautions in place there will be a lot more infections and overwhelm our healthcare system, which leads to disproportionally high mortality rates for everyone. The right exit strategy will be a combination of more testings, more approved treatment methods, protecting our vulnerable population, and reopening the economy at a measured pace to ensure social distancing, until we can get a vaccine in about a year. Just like the Brits in WW2, we need to keep calm and carry on until the Americans join the war effort (in this case, vaccine).
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"But an unavoidable part of the high cost of U.S. health care is how much we pay doctors — twice as much on average as physicians in other wealthy countries."
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/10/25/doctors-salaries-pay-disparities-000557/


Interesting.. so specialist and plasitic surgeons making bank as expected. Newish numbers showing physi making 250k and general practitioner making 200 or do maybe more. They did the math in one article it works out to 700 per person in the us per year. The vast majority is administrative costs wrapped up in invoiced bills to the ins company....fucking scam. But damn....you gotta be healthy
 
Let's go with the war analogy then. When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, did we fall back and pull our pacific fleet from Hawaii and regroup in the mainland? What we did instead was galvanized together as a nation, gathered intelligence to understand the enemy's strength and movements, cracked their code, and planned a counterattack that culminated in the victory at Midway. To deal with this pandemic, we need to do the same. Unite as a country and gather intelligence. To fight an enemy, we need to understand the who we are fighting against. What we need to know is the scope of the pandemic, and right now we are not doing that. We don't have enough infection tests to adequately identify hot spots to manage, and we aren't even doing antibody testing for the most part to really understand the full scope of the spread, and what are the more accurate true hospitalization rate and mortality rate.

To use another war analogy, when the Germans blitzed the UK, did the Brits stop what they were doing and fall back? What they did was to protect the most vulnerable population, particularly children, and relocated them further away, while the rest of the population continued to contribute to the war and defense efforts, hence keep calm and carry on. To fight this pandemic effectively we cannot let it destroy our way of life. What we need to do is to protect the vulnerable population: the elderly and people with underlying health conditions. The hot spots for spread are mostly at nursing homes and hospitals, where unfortunately most of the vulnerable populace is. We need to focus on managing the spread at those places. For example, we need to test all the healthcare workers and nursing home staff to make sure they are not infected and spreading to the vulnerable people, and test the elderly to catch infections early to ensure higher survival outcome. We need to have more antibody tests to see who among the medical staff have gained immunity, and have them work on COVID-19 cases so as to keep the other medical staff safe. Through these strategic measures we can save more lives and keep our healthcare system afloat.

Leave_this_to_Us_Sonny_Art.IWMPST13854.jpg

It seems that most of the people think of the exit strategy as an all or nothing scenario: either full lockdown until we starve the virus out, or resuming all businesses with no changes. Either option is untenable. Lockdowns lasting months will destroy people's livelihood, and we are already at 17 million unemployed. Loss of jobs means higher risk of death and potential social unrest. Plus with a very long incubation period, asymptomatic spread and global travel, the virus can easily make a comeback. However, if we resume business with no precautions in place there will be a lot more infections and overwhelm our healthcare system, which leads to disproportionally high mortality rates for everyone. The right exit strategy will be a combination of more testings, more approved treatment methods, protecting our vulnerable population, and reopening the economy at a measured pace to ensure social distancing, until we can get a vaccine in about a year. Just like the Brits in WW2, we need to keep calm and carry on until the Americans join the war effort (in this case, vaccine).

This is the right answer, but it seems highly unlikely that this will take. These idiots can't communicate or stop arguing.
 
How many people that would've lived another 5-10 years with basic, common treatment died over they got this? I hate the idea that it's suddenly okay to sweep these people under the rug because they were sick. I'm not saying you're doing that.

There in lies the problem.

If corona robbed an old / ill person of an extra 5 years.....+1.
If corona contributed 100% to the death of an otherwise healthy 25 year old........+1.
If corona had 0% (or close to it) factor in the person's death.........+1.

etc etc.

Not all +1s are equal.
 
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"But an unavoidable part of the high cost of U.S. health care is how much we pay doctors — twice as much on average as physicians in other wealthy countries."
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/10/25/doctors-salaries-pay-disparities-000557/

This is probably worthy of its own thread, but it’s indicative of a healthcare system that is broken on so many levels.

The US simply pays doctors far, far too much, and unsurprisingly the everyday American suffers the most for it.
 
Just saw that mobs in China are attacking African migrants and evicting them from their homes.

How long before Trump gets rid of Fauci and "reopens" the country?
 
Singapore had the coronavirus under control. Now it's locking down the country
After receiving global praise for its handling of the coronavirus, Singapore is now showing signs that it's struggling to flatten the COVID-19 curve.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...der-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/

At some point you just have to open up the country, the economic and lives lost due to the lockdown (depression, loss of health, suicide) will outweight the virus deaths. We can't just rely on these blinders on doctors who don't account for these loses of life/health and economic devastation from the lockdown in their recomendations.
 
Study showing that in the 1918 American flu epidemic cities that locked down earlier and for longer suffered less economically and recovered quicker.

http://news.mit.edu/2020/pandemic-health-response-economic-recovery-0401


At some point you just have to open up the country, the economic and lives lost due to the lockdown (depression, loss of health, suicide) will outweight the virus deaths. We can't just rely on these blinders on doctors who don't account for these loses of life/health and economic devastation from the lockdown in their recomendations.

Quoted the post I wrote a couple before yours that quotes evidence that suggests contrary to you opinion.
 
Study showing that in the 1918 American flu epidemic cities that locked down earlier and for longer suffered less economically and recovered quicker.

http://news.mit.edu/2020/pandemic-health-response-economic-recovery-0401
Yep cause 1918 people are just like 2020 people. The economy is also the exact same , same industries , same production. People are the same too small communities , mental health is the same also yep.
I mean we can live like Spartans too ideally, send the young ones to the agoge, kill a Helot, worked for centuries.
Comparing people or our lives now to 100 years ago is weak sauce.
 
Quoted the post I wrote a couple before yours that quotes evidence that suggests contrary to you opinion.
Yeah, you are comparing something from over one hundred years ago where economies were not as interconnected internationally not to mention nationally as they are now.

The main reason the Spanish Flu got out of hand to begin with was because of World War I. Once they shut the war down that stopped transmission since there wasn't much international or national travel other than because of the war it was alot easier to control.

Not really relevant to now.
 
Singapore had the coronavirus under control. Now it's locking down the country
After receiving global praise for its handling of the coronavirus, Singapore is now showing signs that it's struggling to flatten the COVID-19 curve.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...der-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/
Yup that's what's happening here because there are people that don't want to cooperate. A lot of cases were due to an outbreak in the foreign workers dormitories where 8-12 people stay in bunk beds in 1 room.
 
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