Fedor went against the UFC marketing machine.

Too long and paragraphs are your friend.

Fedor turned down 11 Million guaranteed to fight Brock Lesnar. Smart guy.
 
Mixfight said:
A brazillian fighter gets caught abusing TRT and gets caught with using PEDs down the road after fighting Fedor but Im sure its more convenient for your lame ass to pretend he was clean when he fought Fedor under the strikeforce banner 4 years before USADA testing.

You're trash.
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You need a TUE for TRT and Bigfoot never had one until the Hunt fight. It would literally be on public record if he was using TRT for the fight. He was not on TRT, but you can keep telling yourself he was all you want.
 
knock off the flaming, guys. if you can't discuss without personal attacks leave the thread
 
Mixfight said:
Fedor is the best fighter I'v ever seen. You had to be around then to understand this. You just knew you were witnessing something special when watching this guy fight. An undersized HW who could box, kick box, hit the brawl button if necessary, judo throw guys to the moon, beat the shit out of guys on the ground with the most violent GnP the sport had ever seen up until that point, and submit guys from his back with BJJ black belt like swiftness in his armlock technique.

On top of all of those skills, the way he put it all together and chained his attacks from strikes, to judo throws to GnP to submissions with incredible fluidity in each transition was something way ahead of where the sport was at the time, maybe 5-7 years ahead. Fedor's intensity and workrate was incredible to behold. He could go a whole 10 min first round at full throttle and still fight for 2 or 3 more rounds after that going all out. When he was in his peak he was as fierce as this sport has ever seen, he wasnt a guy who fought with a condom looking to play it safe and win points with the judges. He came out there to kill or to be killed and never took a step back once.

Fedor was checking a prime Mirko's low kicks like nothing and taking his liver kicks and head kicks and left straights right on the chin and still moving forward to outstrike him. I know that to new casual fans this may seem like nothing to be proud of but at that time that was absurd to see. This was 11 years ago so you have to wonder how many of the guys discrediting Fedor's win over Mirko were truly and passionately watching the sport then. The way Fedor got slammed on his neck by Randleman and reversed him seconds later and submitted him was something that makes me wonder how it would be marketed by the UFC and the machine they use today. Sitting in Nog's guard beating the life out of him when he was basically undefeated and the most feared ground fighter in the world. Swatting Arlovski out of the sky in the first round on Arlovski's best day. Beating Tim Sylvia as if he was a jobber bum in 30 seconds back when the UFC stans were saying that Fedor was ducking them.

Fedor's aura, his stonecold demeanor, his kindness, his humble attitude and respect for himself, other fighters and the sport in general. His degenerate Russian Mafia affiliated brother made him even more mysterious and people who saw him fight couldn't help but want to know more. All of these things make me wonder how it would have been if the UFC was the top dog org back then and Fedor singed with them in the early 2000s instead of Pride FC. How would they market him. How would they sell him. What his image would turn into with their machine put behind him.

When you think about it, everything about Fedor was unique and it was unique on its own with no major marketing machine fueling that. It derived from this buzz generated in a very niche market as opposed to the mainstream market the UFC operates in today. Pride didn't spend millions of marketing dollars on developing Fedor's star. They didn't shoot multi million dollar promos for him like the UFC did for Conor and Aldo. No Joe Rogan powered hypemachines where he sits in that dark room and tells millions of viewers that Ronda is a once in a lifetime fighter and telling them that she can beat up half of bantamweight MEN. Fedor wasnt from the twitter era where fighters had fake beefs to hype fights artificially and his content and likeness had a platform to generate instant followers by the masses.

Fedor had a self built mystique that wasn't force fed to the fans. His hype was as organic as it gets. Had the UFC been the top organization in the world when Fedor started fighting and signed with them instead of Pride FC, he would have had his run THERE and would have been one of if not the most beloved and decorated champions in UFC history with all of the hype, money and effort put into him as the UFC puts into hypejobs like Ronda and Sage Northcutt. Only with Fedor it would have been REAL. But he never fought in the UFC so the UFC used that same marketing and brand power to smear his name, image and accomplishments to where you have nerds on sherdog calling him "overrated" I think its truly amazing what he was able to build without that machine behind him when in reality that machine was in front of him. Smearing him with all its might.

The Real Fans know who the KING is. The real GOAT of mixfight. The Babe Ruth of our sport. It would be insane how iconic he would have been if he was in the UFC during his run. But for that the UFC would have to be the top fighting organization at that point which they werent.

WAR the GOAT,

Fedor Emelianenko.
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Jones is GOAT is the only rebuttal needed with this noval of a shit post.
 
MMAEXP3RT said:
- Out of his 36 career opponents, 21 of them were cans. That's 58% of his career spent fighting cans (I was exaggerating when I said 85%). When you spend the majority of your career fighting cans, you are not the GOAT. End of discussion.

- Nut-huggers like to say "Oh but he went over a decade undefeated!". This is a lie. He didn't go 10 years undefeated, and the top heavyweights today could easily replicate such an undefeated record if the large majority of their opponents were also so lacklustre.

- Nut-huggers also like to say "He always fought at a size disadvantage!". This is yet another lie. Out of his 36 opponents, Fedor was only at a size disadvantage to 13 of them. That leaves 23 opponents that he was equal in size to or actually had a size advantage over.

- His best wins are Nog, Cro Cop, Arlovski and Sylvia. Anyone who thinks that list qualifies you as GOAT is straight up retarded.

- He has embarrassing losses on his record to people a supposed GOAT had no right losing to - getting mauled by Bigfoot and KO'd by 207lb Dan Henderson.

- He's making a mockery of his career now by fighting horribly unranked fighters and going to a pathetic organisation like Rizin after inferring that he wanted to fight in the UFC

Here's an example of the terrible competition Fedor made a career fighting: Martin Lazarov, Levon Laglivava, Hiroya Takada, Tsuyohsi Kosaka, Mihail Apostolov, Kerry Schall, Ryushi Yanagisawa, Lee Hasdell, Chris Haseman, Egidijus Valavicius, Kazuyuki Fujita, Gary Goodridge, Yuji Nagata, Naoya Ogawa, Zulu, Hong Man Choi, Brett Rogers, Jeff Monson, Satoshi Ishii, Pedro Rizzo and Jaideep Singh.

Anyone with half a brain is able to take these facts into consideration and arrive at the overly logical conclusion that Fedor isn't even in the running for GOAT. Was he a good heavyweight for his time? Most definitely. Would he be soundly defeated by any number of heavyweights or light heavyweights today? Also most definitely. Is he the GOAT? No, not even in the running. And anyone who believes otherwise is a delusional moron.
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Way to much logic for Fedora fans to comprehend. Great fact filled post mate!
 
markg171 said:
You need a TUE for TRT and Bigfoot never had one until the Hunt fight. It would literally be on public record if he was using TRT for the fight. He was not on TRT, but you can keep telling yourself he was all you want.
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that doesnt change the fact that Bigfoot was caught as a steroid user with elevated T levels. It would be convenient for you in an attempt to bash Fedor but everyone knows he was juiced up in that fight.
 
Ts i hope you didnt get choked with Fedors balls. He is the goat but he also fought lots of bums. Oh and he lost 3 in a row while in his prime.
 
Kick Strickland said:
Fedor is the best fighter I'v ever seen. You had to be around then to understand this. You just knew you were witnessing something special when watching this guy fight. An undersized HW who could box, kick box, hit the brawl button if necessary, judo throw guys to the moon, beat the shit out of guys on the ground with the most violent GnP the sport had ever seen up until that point, and submit guys from his back with BJJ black belt like swiftness in his armlock technique.

On top of all of those skills, the way he put it all together and chained his attacks from strikes, to judo throws to GnP to submissions with incredible fluidity in each transition was something way ahead of where the sport was at the time, maybe 5-7 years ahead. Fedor's intensity and workrate was incredible to behold. He could go a whole 10 min first round at full throttle and still fight for 2 or 3 more rounds after that going all out. When he was in his peak he was as fierce as this sport has ever seen, he wasnt a guy who fought with a condom looking to play it safe and win points with the judges. He came out there to kill or to be killed and never took a step back once.

Fedor was checking a prime Mirko's low kicks like nothing and taking his liver kicks and head kicks and left straights right on the chin and still moving forward to outstrike him. I know that to new casual fans this may seem like nothing to be proud of but at that time that was absurd to see. This was 11 years ago so you have to wonder how many of the guys discrediting Fedor's win over Mirko were truly and passionately watching the sport then. The way Fedor got slammed on his neck by Randleman and reversed him seconds later and submitted him was something that makes me wonder how it would be marketed by the UFC and the machine they use today. Sitting in Nog's guard beating the life out of him when he was basically undefeated and the most feared ground fighter in the world. Swatting Arlovski out of the sky in the first round on Arlovski's best day. Beating Tim Sylvia as if he was a jobber bum in 30 seconds back when the UFC stans were saying that Fedor was ducking them.

Fedor's aura, his stonecold demeanor, his kindness, his humble attitude and respect for himself, other fighters and the sport in general. His degenerate Russian Mafia affiliated brother made him even more mysterious and people who saw him fight couldn't help but want to know more. All of these things make me wonder how it would have been if the UFC was the top dog org back then and Fedor singed with them in the early 2000s instead of Pride FC. How would they market him. How would they sell him. What his image would turn into with their machine put behind him.

When you think about it, everything about Fedor was unique and it was unique on its own with no major marketing machine fueling that. It derived from this buzz generated in a very niche market as opposed to the mainstream market the UFC operates in today. Pride didn't spend millions of marketing dollars on developing Fedor's star. They didn't shoot multi million dollar promos for him like the UFC did for Conor and Aldo. No Joe Rogan powered hypemachines where he sits in that dark room and tells millions of viewers that Ronda is a once in a lifetime fighter and telling them that she can beat up half of bantamweight MEN. Fedor wasnt from the twitter era where fighters had fake beefs to hype fights artificially and his content and likeness had a platform to generate instant followers by the masses.

Fedor had a self built mystique that wasn't force fed to the fans. His hype was as organic as it gets. Had the UFC been the top organization in the world when Fedor started fighting and signed with them instead of Pride FC, he would have had his run THERE and would have been one of if not the most beloved and decorated champions in UFC history with all of the hype, money and effort put into him as the UFC puts into hypejobs like Ronda and Sage Northcutt. Only with Fedor it would have been REAL. But he never fought in the UFC so the UFC used that same marketing and brand power to smear his name, image and accomplishments to where you have nerds on sherdog calling him "overrated" I think its truly amazing what he was able to build without that machine behind him when in reality that machine was in front of him. Smearing him with all its might.

The Real Fans know who the KING is. The real GOAT of mixfight. The Babe Ruth of our sport. It would be insane how iconic he would have been if he was in the UFC during his run. But for that the UFC would have to be the top fighting organization at that point which they werent.

WAR the GOAT,

Fedor Emelianenko.
















^ maybe this works better? idk. If it does, TS you can copy and paste this into your OP. Maybe this way it's a little less eye-rapey.

@Mixfight
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It took around 15 seconds to read. so if that is too much for you...
 
"He put it all together and chained his attacks from strikes, to judo throws to GnP to submissions with incredible fluidity in each transition was something way ahead of where the sport was at the time [...] He could go a whole 10 min first round at full throttle and still fight for 2 or 3 more rounds after that going all out

Fedor was checking a prime Mirko's low kicks like nothing and taking his liver kicks and head kicks and left straights right on the chin and still moving forward to outstrike him. I know that to new casual fans this may seem like nothing to be proud of but at that time that was absurd to see. [...] Sitting in Nog's guard beating the life out of him when he was basically undefeated and the most feared ground fighter in the world."

Yeah Fedor was just unstoppable back then. Great post TS
 
It's a good thread ts, all jokes aside.
Fedors the man, we all know it .
The ufc damn well knows it else they wouldn't have chased him around all these years like a love sick puppy. He's the one that got away.
A couple of problems though.
One, the ufcmarketing which you speak of was not nearly as strong back then when fedor reigned supreme anyway. The sport just wasn't at that level but I agree, if they can make randy couture into a legend then the skies he limit for fedor.
Number two, the way he is regarded by a lot of fans is all of his own doing, he had the opportunities to have that juggernaut of marketing power behind him and unfortunately he chose not to accept it so that's on him.
All in all you are right though, fedor is every bit that good, he just wasn't on that platform for all to see and recognise
 
C0NCH3TO said:
Ts i hope you didnt get choked with Fedors balls. He is the goat but he also fought lots of bums. Oh and he lost 3 in a row while in his prime.
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Like Ali was in his prime when he lost to Berbick?
 
If you think Fedor was in his prime in Strikeforce then I have nothing to tell you other than; "shut the fuck up, please."
 
lukeuidswords said:
If you think Fedor was in his prime in Strikeforce then I have nothing to tell you other than; "shut the fuck up, please."
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Fedor fans told us he was when he beat rogers.

Fedors problem wasn't falling out of his prime, it was not updating his training camp and wanting to go out and play rock em sock em robots
 
Fedor is GOAT. I used thread like these to filter trought the fuckin retarded trolls cuz u have to be either retarded or a troll to hate on Fedya.
 
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