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Is it really so surprising that MMA strikers find success against kickboxers?
They do?
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Is it really so surprising that MMA strikers find success against kickboxers?
They do?
TJ becoming a champ in thailand at lightweight wouldn't happen unless they basically gifted him a belt. He'd have to change his style pretty drastically for it to work in muay thai. He could wreak havoc in max muay thai with his power and athleticism alone but at a point that's not enough.
Kato/Schilling, Daley/Stetsurenko, Overeem, Rampage beating Abidi x2, Mousasi, Adamchuk comes from an mma background too. I think jtwarwagon oversells it but there are definitely cases of mma fighters stepping into kickboxing and performing well.
There are some pretty mediocre fighters who hold stadium belts, even at the strongest weights. Belts aren't the greatest measure of quality and often when a farang wins a belt, it was vacant and they just fought some random guy for it. And gifting an MMA fighter a belt wouldn't really be anything out of the ordinary. Most of the farangs who challenge for belts didn't really have to fight in thailand much or work their way up the ranks to get their shot. I think Dillashaw could win a title under the right circumstances.
I believe that Nawapon Lukpachrist is the champion at super featherweight. I don't see anything special about him. I'm not sure he's even one of the 20 best fighters in that division. Could Dillashaw beat him? Maybe. Maybe not the majority of the time, but he'd at least have a punchers chance.
There you have it. Muay Thai has paper champions and their title holder can lose to an MMA guy. Straight from the horses mouth. I guess it sucks like Kickboxing does then?There are some pretty mediocre fighters who hold stadium belts, even at the strongest weights. Belts aren't the greatest measure of quality and often when a farang wins a belt, it was vacant and they just fought some random guy for it. And gifting an MMA fighter a belt wouldn't really be anything out of the ordinary. Most of the farangs who challenge for belts didn't really have to fight in thailand much or work their way up the ranks to get their shot. I think Dillashaw could win a title under the right circumstances.
I believe that Nawapon Lukpachrist is the champion at super featherweight. I don't see anything special about him. I'm not sure he's even one of the 20 best fighters in that division. Could Dillashaw beat him? Maybe. Maybe not the majority of the time, but he'd at least have a punchers chance.
There you have it. Muay Thai has paper champions...
I guess it sucks like Kickboxing does then?
The same as yours. Mileage will vary dependent on the level of knowledge of the viewer. Their are Muay Thai fans that believe Buakaw is the GOAT.This is not new, and is something a bunch of us have discussed and criticized. However, and more importantly, it's easy to identify the difference(s) of a fringe fighter (even if they're champion) from a fighter of greater prominence. Like with anything, it's also a straightforward way to see the quality/depth of that thing. Does this show to be the case in similar weights in K-1? What's the process a kickboxing fan goes through to differentiate a fighter at the peak of his sport from a fighter (perceived to be at the peak of his sport) with highlight reel KO's over competition that hasn't been established?
Its a mechanical system rather than a personal evaluation by them. The number one spot is basically a lineal title. Sittichai -> Superbon -> Marat.So LiverKick just updated their rankings and before clicking on it I knew it would be bogus. They always have questionable rankings. Firstly I don't understand why Petpanomrung and Roosmalen are not in the FW top 10. Secondly why is Marat at number 1 in LW and sittichai at number 2? You cant tell me that 1 win over superbon puts him ahead of sittichai even thou he's lost to him 3 times. Do you think that's fair?
If so then why wasn't Endy Semeleer ranked number 1 when he beat superbon?Its a mechanical system rather than a personal evaluation by them. The number one spot is basically a lineal title. Sittichai -> Superbon -> Marat.
If so then why wasn't Endy Semeleer ranked number 1 when he beat superbon?
Pro Tip: Stop giving a fuck about rankings
They didn't fight at 70kg I would guess is the reason.If so then why wasn't Endy Semeleer ranked number 1 when he beat superbon?
Oh forgot about that.They didn't fight at 70kg I would guess is the reason.