How good was Fedor really? Was he truly elite?

[LampShade94]

I like how you went and did exactly what I said you'd do by saying it's okay that he never fought someone like Wanderlei cause Wand instead lost to CC.

Even though Fedor did in fact fight fighters coming off losses, let alone cans instead. It's so much better to have fought Zulu instead of someone like Wand.

Brock, who took the title from Randy, doesn't count but Randy literally 1 day prior to that while he's literally the reigning champion instead would?

Okay.

As to your Jon example, you're proving yourself ridiculous for all to see for two reasons:

- Jon would be fighting them 16 years into his career, not 10 like you say is perfectly fine for Fedor to be losing too. Remind me again what happened at 10 years for Jon? Oh yeah, Jones was still winning and beating the next generation of LHWs
- Jones actually did clean out LHW, multiple times, by fighting the next contender one after the other. Which isn't what Fedor did, thus this entire discussion about how he never cleaned out HW. It's, you know, why Jon has 16 title fights in a row by this point meanwhile Fedor never did despite being champion that long too as he was instead doing tons of random fights instead.

You guys ALWAYS do this. You can't just accept that people acknowledge Fedor was the #1 HW for that period like you want. You have to say some additional complete nonsense claim like he also cleaned out HW, a completely laughable assertion. Then you screech your dicks off the moment anybody bursts your

Jones had a great career. Not saying he didnt. I'm still waiting for you to mention all these Pride Heavyweights that Fedor avoided. Wanderlei only had 3 fights at HW (lost 1 of them). Then he left for the UFC. Funny how you use him as an example, hahaha. But when your argument is failing I'll guess you'll reach for whatever you can like the typical Shertard would do.

Randy was like 50 years old when he fought Brock. He was at the end of his career. If you think Brock and Randy were in the same era of fighters, you're an idiot. Brock was the new breed at that point. Thinking Fedor should take on Carwin, Brock, and juiced up MegaReem when he's close to 40 is nuts. Jones was a lot younger than Fedor, hence, it's easier to continue fighting the newer generation of guys. Oh and Jones tested positive for PED's so that probably helped him too.

 

[markg171]

Jones had a great career. Not saying he didnt. I'm still waiting for you to mention all these Pride Heavyweights that Fedor avoided. Wanderlei only had 3 fights at HW (lost 1 of them). Then he left for the UFC. Funny how you use him as an example, hahaha. But when your argument is failing I'll guess you'll reach for whatever you can like the typical Shertard would do.

Randy was like 50 years old when he fought Brock. He was at the end of his career. If you think Brock and Randy were in the same era of fighters, you're an idiot. Brock was the new breed at that point. Thinking Fedor should take on Carwin, Brock, and juiced up MegaReem when he's close to 40 is nuts. Jones was a lot younger than Fedor, hence, it's easier to continue fighting the newer generation of guys. Oh and Jones tested positive for PED's so that probably helped him too.

I'm not the one who said Fedor cleaned out HW. You guys did.

Don't get mad that there are tons of HWs he should've fought when he was still active. Make better arguments instead.

 

[LampShade94]

I'm not the one who said Fedor cleaned out HW. You guys did.

Don't get mad that there are tons of HWs he should've fought when he was still active. Make better arguments instead.

Ok buddy. Don't have a brain aneurism. He cleaned out HIS ERA of heavyweights minus Randy. If the UFC wanted to pay him better I'm sure some of those fights would have happened. Still a pretty solid run. Lets not discredit a solid run.

 

[markg171]

Ok buddy. Don't have a brain aneurism. He cleaned out HIS ERA of heavyweights minus Randy. If the UFC wanted to pay him better I'm sure some of those fights would have happened. Still a pretty solid run. Lets not discredit a solid run.

Why are we arbitarily saying his era? Which is what exactly? He fought from 2000-2023 and was still the #2 Bellator HW when he retired. Are you not allowed to beat other fighters or something?

Don't know why you guys just can't say he was the #1 HW and great HW for a long while and instead have to add on obvious bullshit like claiming he cleaned out HW and fought everybody.

 

[AbominableJoman]

Greatest fighter in the history of the universe. A chubby mw dominated hws.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Fedor wasn't even that "mixed" if we're actually being honest. He was just really great at a couple of moves, the whole Bruce Lee quote of fearing the man who's done 1 kick 10,000 times because that man actually knows how to do it vs the man who's done 10,000 different kicks once. Fedor learned a few moves very well.

Which yes at the time was a massive improvement over a lot of his peers who were specialists.

Pretending though like he was going around with some very deep skillset is silly though. He wasn't even going around flying kneeing guys or teep kicking them, let alone landing rarer stuff like say ninja chokes. His skillset wasn't that deep, just very maxed out in a few moves.

Lol you're such a and a

"Fedor knew a couple moves"

Let's ignore the fact that he beat K1 strikers standing, judo tossed guys to the moon, demonstrated some of the best GnP ever and submitted his opponents with different submissions from top position and from his back.

Anyone who has ever trained knows how much you have to train, how much you have to know and how versed you have to be to effectively execute all these techniques on the fly in live combat.

 

[markg171]

Lol you're such a and a

"Fedor knew one move"

Let's ignore the fact that he beat K1 strikers standing, judo tossed guys to the moon, demonstrated some of the best GnP ever and submitted his opponents with different submissions from top position and from his back with differnt kind of submissions.

Anyone who has ever trained knows how much you have to train, how much you have to know and how versed you have to be to effectively execute all these techniques on the fly in live combat.

You're a dummy and most definitely a couch potato chump.

Where did I say he knew one move? I said he knew a few and knew them well.

Which is true. Fedor's striking and grappling moves were nothing more than fundamental basic moves. He did basic punches, minimal kicks if any, basic judo tosses, and basic submissions. Nothing Fedor did was ever particularly advanced. His execution of basic moves was.

Point out that the guy knew how to do an armbar well but never pulled off a twister and the Fedor death cult starts screeching their dicks off like usual though. Even though if it's true from a simple glance at his record.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Where did I say he knew one move? I said he knew a few and knew them well.

Which is true. Fedor's striking and grappling moves were nothing more than fundamental basic moves. He did basic punches, minimal kicks if any, basic judo tosses, and basic submissions. Nothing Fedor did was ever particularly advanced. His execution of basic moves was.

Point out that the guy knew how to do an armbar well but never pulled off a twister and the Fedor death cult starts screeching their dicks off like usual though. Even though if it's true from a simple glance at his record.

Like I said you're an absolute

Do you know how deep the curriculum is in Judo and what it takes for one to get a spot on the Russian National Judo team? Do you know how many different techniques, grips, hip movements, set ups, traps, throws and sweeps there are to learn just to become a black belt- let alone to be on the Russian national team?

Do you know how deep the curriculum is in Sambo? Hundreds of different gi grips, sweeps, trips, throws and submissions on the head and limbs? Literally hundreds, maybe thousands. A master of sport in Sambo/Judo must learn all of these techniques and then choose which best suite their body type/ athleticism and apply those in live combat. Often times fighters develop "go to" techniques. That doenst mean they only "know two moves"

People train for decades to absorb all these techniques and moves and still arent able to effectively apply them in live combat becsuse its that fucking hard.

On top of learning all this, Fedor had to learn to strike and GnP on world class level to where he could beat someone like Cro Cop standing or GnP the shit out of De La Riva black belt Big Nog from the guard position. Coming from grappling and reaching such a level of skill in both of these aspects isn't easy and you won't get by "knowing a few moves"

Such a diverse skillset requires a lifetime of training and a wealth of knowledge in techniques and leverage. The only thing your last post confirms is that you have zero life experience.



Here is Fedor throwing sambo champion from Khabibs fathers Sambo team using a techniqe he never even used in MMA. Just an example of the hundreds judo/sambo techniques someone like Fedor has his arsenal from years of training.


Tell me more about the twister now you

 

[markg171]

Like I said you're an absolute

Do you know how deep of a curriculum one must cover to get a spot on the Russian National Judo team? Do you know how many different techniques, grips, hip movements, set ups, traps and throws there are to learn to reach such level in understanding leverage of judo?

Do you know how deep of a curriculum there is in Sambo of gi grips, various throws and submissions? Literally hundreds, maybe thousands. A master of sport in Sambo/Judo must learn all of these techniques and then choose which best suite their body type/ athleticism and apply those in live combat. Often times fighters develop "go to" techniques but still know thousands of different techniques.

People train for a decade to absorb all these techniques and moves and still arent able to effectively apply them in live combat becsuse its that fucking hard.

On top of learning all this, Fedor had to learn to strike and GnP on world class level to where he could beat someone like Cro Cop standing or GnP the shit out of De La Riva black belt Big Nog from the guard position. Coming from grappling and reaching such a level of skill in both of these aspects isn't easy and you won't get by "knowing a few moves"

Someone who just knows "a few moves" isn't going to make it on the Russian National Judo team, or become a multiple time Sambo champion or one of the most dominant MMA fighters ever who won fights using striking, submissions from top and bottom and GnP. Just because Fedor never did a "twister" doesn't mean he just knew a "few moves"

Such a diverse skillset requires a lifetime of training and a wealth of knowledge in various techniques. The only thing your last post confirms is that you know Jack shit about martial arts and the only time you get off the couch is to go to the bathroom. You clearly have zero life experience.



Here is Fedor throwing sambo champion from Khabibs fathers Sambo team using a techniqe he never even used in MMA. Just an example of the hundreds judo/sambo techniques someone like Fedor has his arsenal from years of training.


Tell me more about the twister now you

Look at this absolute wall of text with not one example of Fedor ever actually doing anything particularly advanced in MMA. Because he in fact used very basic moves in MMA, just executed very well.

Like I said. You guys screech your dicks off if somebody doesn't pretend Fedor was some omni talented god of MMA, even when they're acknowledging he did do things very successfully.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Look at this absolute wall of text with not one example of Fedor ever actually doing anything particularly advanced in MMA.

Like I said. You guys screech your dicks off if somebody doesn't pretend Fedor was some omni talented god of MMA, even when they're acknowledging he did do things very successfully.

 

[djason1988]

How good was Fedor?

I have a hard time genuinely believing that Fedor is truly elite and up there with goats such as

GSP
Anderson
MM
Jones
DC

Fedors record was too padded he fought in such a different weak era and when Fedor came up against semi modern MMA fighters he got beaten badly and could not hang

Some say that he could not hang because of his age. I do not believe this one bit. The real issue was he came up against modern MMA fighters. Isn't is such a coincidence he only started to lose once he faced true elite HWs and all of a sudden he was "out of his prime."

Anderson wrecked Hendo, Fedor a HW got wrecked by Hendo.

Werdum stopped Fedor

And I believe prime Fedor would lose to

Poatan
Anderson
Cain
DC
Aspinal
Gane
Nganu
Black Beast
Jones
Overseen


Fedor has such a padded record and had huge holes in his game

Fedor had poor Boxing, poor fight IQ, poor bottom game. Jones would take him down and elbow him to oblivion.

Fedor was a good fighter but should not be compared to the true elite.

Fedor's myth is more folk lore and myth. His best wins are Cro cop and Nog. Cro cop and nog are good but have glaring holes in their game.

You're right to a point, but the "pride never die" dudes will never accept it. And you know that, so this is just trolling.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Fedor was Good not Great
Because he never fought in the damn greatest fighting Org. In Human History
He would of blown the ruf off the APEX

#UFCbless
#MovingTheNeedle

 

[Prefect]

He had a natural instinct like Jon Jones. He has obvious holes compared to the top now days. I think if he fought today he could see their were holes and tighten them up as iron sharpens iron. He would be at worst top 3 in the HW division. The biggest disappointment I have is that sambo didn't really transfer over so no one fights like Fedor did. Royce Gracie is praised as the BJJ guy but sambo never took off even though it is an amalgam of a lot of different stuff.

 

[JKS]

I'm not the one who said Fedor cleaned out HW. You guys did.

Don't get mad that there are tons of HWs he should've fought when he was still active. Make better arguments instead.

I don't see how anyone can make the argument that Fedor avoided or didn't fight most of the top HWs. I don't know who these "tons of HWs are?? In Pride, Afflcition and SF he pretty much fought everyone given the opportunity.

In Pride the only top HWs he didn't fight were Sergei and Aleks (team mate and his brother) Barnett, who was in Pride for 2 years and was offered Fedor for Shockwave 06 and Barnett turned it down. Werdum was new to Pride in 05 and didn't win enough fights to even contend for the belt. Overeem moved up to HW in 06.

In Afflcition he fought Syvlia, Arlovski and was scheduled to fight Barnett and a week out Barnett popped for roids. So in Afficiton he was signed to fight every top HW they had.

in SF he fought Rogers, Werdum and entered to fight the HW GP that had every top HW. I don't see how he avoided anyone in SF. The only fight that was talked about that didn't happen was Overeem and both sides were responsible. SF then closed up.

So who are these tons of HWs he could have fought???

 

[Superior]

How anyone can argue that Stipe > Fedor is beyond me.

Probably the same people that argue Izzy > Anderson

”B-B-but Izzy beat him!!”

JFC.

 

[Superior]

FYI, Prime Mirko would beat the shit out of Gane and thus would be ranked #2 right now.

 

[kenetics]

How good was Fedor?

I have a hard time genuinely believing that Fedor is truly elite and up there with goats such as

GSP
Anderson
MM
Jones
DC

Fedors record was too padded he fought in such a different weak era and when Fedor came up against semi modern MMA fighters he got beaten badly and could not hang

Some say that he could not hang because of his age. I do not believe this one bit. The real issue was he came up against modern MMA fighters. Isn't is such a coincidence he only started to lose once he faced true elite HWs and all of a sudden he was "out of his prime."

Anderson wrecked Hendo, Fedor a HW got wrecked by Hendo.

Werdum stopped Fedor

And I believe prime Fedor would lose to

Poatan
Anderson
Cain
DC
Aspinal
Gane
Nganu
Black Beast
Jones
Overseen


Fedor has such a padded record and had huge holes in his game

Fedor had poor Boxing, poor fight IQ, poor bottom game. Jones would take him down and elbow him to oblivion.

Fedor was a good fighter but should not be compared to the true elite.

Fedor's myth is more folk lore and myth. His best wins are Cro cop and Nog. Cro cop and nog are good but have glaring holes in their game.

This again? Anyone who actually trains in any martial arts know how good fedor was. You can just look up how many legends say the same thing. It's not even debatable. Wasteland this thread .

 

[Fight Professor]

FYI, Prime Mirko would beat the shit out of Gane and thus would be ranked #2 right now.

I am not sure about that. Mirko needs a ring to cut the opponent off for them stop circling before landing kicks and straights. That is why his style did not work in a cage.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

I am not sure about that. Mirko needs a ring to cut the opponent off for them stop circling before landing kicks and straights. That is why his style did not work in a cage.

Lol

Mirko was a K1GP quarter finalist during the toughest era of K1 ever with wins over guys like Aerts, Remy, Hunt, LeBanner, Bernardo and Greco.

Gane was a regional Muay Thai guy in France who went life and death with Yuseff Boughanem- a guy who wouldnt come close to qualifying for a K1GP in those days.

Peak Cop would outclass Gane badly and I like Gane but there are levels to this shit.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

10 year unbeaten streak against the best in the business.

Dana says Stipe is the greatest heavyweight and he has like a 2 win fight streak.