Law Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act: Signed into law 11/15/21

andnowweknow said:
Yes, they are linked, almost to the point where two threads should become one given there is a lack of political nuance ge really on this board.
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Some days that seems like the case but I think it's good to distinguish what's in each and also the possibility of one billing passing or dying before the other makes it good to separate them. For example, if Senate really holds off on reconciliation until 2022, that thread will likely continue on far longer.
 
Lead said:
Some days that seems like the case but I think it's good to distinguish what's in each and also the possibility of one billing passing or dying before the other makes it good to separate them. For example, if Senate really holds off on reconciliation until 2022, that thread will likely continue on far longer.
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Senate holding off until 2022 is highly unlikely I think. Separate threads on balance is the better way to go.
 
Moderates and progressives soften negotiating stances as Pelosi predicts major progress on Dems' agenda

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-infrastructure-reconciliation-vote-big-week-september-30

The moderates are now OK if the vote on the bipartisan infrastructure is moved to later in the week.

And the progressives are now OK with the bipartisan infrastructure vote occurring before a reconciliation vote as long as every Dem Rep and every Dem Senator have agreed with "every piece of it" (the reconciliation bill).

I really don't see that happening. Manchin wants to hit pause on reconciliation until next year. I don't see the progressives pressuring him into a time table of a few days now. Sinema wants significant changes too. And I would bet that those two aren't alone.
 
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Death By Samson said:
Moderates and progressives soften negotiating stances as Pelosi predicts major progress on Dems' agenda

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-infrastructure-reconciliation-vote-big-week-september-30

The moderates are now OK if the vote on the bipartisan infrastructure is moved to later in the week.

And the progressives are now OK with the bipartisan infrastructure vote occurring before a reconciliation vote as long as every Dem Rep and every Dem Senator have agreed with "every piece of it" (the reconciliation bill).

I really don't see that happening. Manchin wants to hit pause on reconciliation until next year. I don't see the progressives pressuring him into a time table of a few days now. Sinema wants significant changes too. And I would bet that those two aren't alone.
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The bill that passed the senate will pass in the house this week, book it. This is not an optional issue for the democratic caucus from a political standpoint, if a vote is held it will pass.

From an opinion perspective, if the Dems just nuked the filibuster they would be able to pass their agenda that is widely popular among the public. Even if they lose the house and or senate in 2022, McConnell amd the right aren't going to take away a bunch of popular shit.

If the Dems don't get a the infrastructure bill passed, the party is toast in 2022 no matter what. And lol at the notion McConnell won't nuke the filibuster the second he gets the majority back and it suits him.
 
andnowweknow said:
The bill that passed the senate will pass in the house this week, book it. This is not an optional issue for the democratic caucus from a political standpoint, if a vote is held it will pass.
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Yeah, Pelosi just said that she won't bring it to the floor if the votes aren't there. But did you see what Jayapal said? Every Dem Senator needs to be on board with every piece of the reconciliation beforehand in order for the progessives not to vote down the bipartisan infrastructure bill.

Manchin wants to cut the reconciliation down by over half and wait until next year to vote on it. Bernie said no fucking way, the current price is already his bottom line. This isn't getting resolved in the Senate this week. The gulf between their positions is huge. And if Pelosi doesn't hold the vote as promised the moderate Dems are going to be majorly pissed and that is an understatement. They are not going to stand for her breaking her word to them.
 
Death By Samson said:
Yeah, Pelosi just said that she won't bring it to the floor if the votes aren't there. But did you see what Jayapal said? Every Dem Senator needs to be on board with every piece of the reconciliation beforehand in order for the progessives not to vote down the bipartisan infrastructure bill.

Manchin wants to cut the reconciliation down by over half and wait until next year to vote on it. Bernie said no fucking way, the current price is already his bottom line. This isn't getting resolved in the Senate this week. The gulf between their positions is huge. And if Pelosi doesn't hold the vote as promised the moderate Dems are going to be majorly pissed and that is an understatement. They are not going to stand for her breaking her word to them.
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That last part is pretty hyperbolic. The moderate dems have just as much to lose if this doesn't get resolved as the progressives do. I'd say this would wreck moderates WAY worse than progressives in 2022 if it doesn't pan.

Manchin is a fuckstick and I hope Schumer is plotting his demise once his power inevitably goes away post 2022.
 
Death By Samson said:
Sanders: No bipartisan infrastructure deal unless $3.5T spending bill passes first

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/sanders-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal-3-5t-spending-bill

Pelosi says that the vote will be held Thursday. She promised the moderate House Dems.

Sanders tells the House progressives to vote no. The House progressives' leaders say that they will vote no and they are adamant.

Who is going to blink?
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September was probably a bad deadline. This might drag out for awhile.
 
Hadron90 said:
Fucking hell. How many spending bills do we need? And why does none of them give me any money?
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I don’t know. I wasn’t in favor of the second or third stimulus payments, so youre asking the wrong guy if you want handouts.
 
Does this summarize the WR at this point? We get a AZ fraud thread front page all year. Then we have this bill which is one of the most significant bills of the year and the largest infrastructure bill in years and what’s the discussion? Nothing for months and then “where’s my handout?” and not even knowing what bill is in the OP. FFS, this place can’t even figure out there’s two different bills despite this all developing over a few months. Fraud narrative and whatever stupid social outrage porn topic of the month is the main priority.
 
Lead said:
Does this summarize the WR at this point? We get a AZ fraud thread front page all year. Then we have this bill which is one of the most significant bills of the year and the largest infrastructure bill in years and what’s the discussion? Nothing for months and then “where’s my handout?” and not even knowing what bill is in the OP. FFS, this place can’t even figure out there’s two different bills despite this all developing over a few months. Fraud narrative and whatever stupid social outrage porn topic of the month is the main priority.
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Mate, no one person on the planet knows everything in these bills.
 
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