Social Iranian father cuts his 14 year old daughter's head off in so-called honor killing

[weirdflex]

A couple, even one generation back many white Americans would do the same thing to their daughters if they ran off with a black guy.

Everyone here criticising the father or his mindset is a social justice warrior.

You are campaigning/demanding rights and protections of young women against a textbook form of toxic masculinity.

Honour killing or just controlling the women in your household is just fundamental masculinity at the extreme end where it becomes toxic.
Most of us share at least some feelings that the father had. Most western males have ironically been pussified by the liberal feminist agenda sufficiently that they would die before admitting it.
In other parts of the world, generally places of limited freedoms because of economic hardship combined with some religious inspiration/excuses. Be it India, Iran, Uganda, Saudi Arabia or Dagestan.
Women don't be having freedoms like leaving the house when they want, they always answer to the men, can't go anywhere without father or a brother. Would be considered sluts or raped if they did and the communities almost unanimously agree that the woman deserved it.
If an American liberal man happened to be born in that culture he would be quite open about his desire to control women, honest with himself about the shame his slutty sister brings on the family, be more self conscious about that shame as everyone else's family doesn't seem to have any sluts. And if he has some balls he would do something about it. If that something was to kill his sister , it would probably be respected by his peers.

 

[Madmick]

A couple, even one generation back many white Americans would do the same thing to their daughters if they ran off with a black guy.

Complete bullshit.

 

[MicroBrew]

The Quran never mentions 72 virgins but it does mention houri (virgin women created for men). The 72 virgins thing comes from a hadith (Sayings of our Prophet) and it has weak chain of narration.

Don't you think it is absurd to claim the Quran and or Hadiths are talking about Raisans ?

 

[Hoof Hearted]

I mean, if he chopped off the head of the child predator, I'd get it.

This? This is absurd.

Religion and logic don't really go hand in hand.

 

[MicroBrew]

A couple, even one generation back many white Americans would do the same thing to their daughters if they ran off with a black guy.

Everyone here criticising the father or his mindset is a social justice warrior.

You are campaigning/demanding rights and protections of young women against a textbook form of toxic masculinity.

Honour killing or just controlling the women in your household is just fundamental masculinity at the extreme end where it becomes toxic.
Most of us share at least some feelings that the father had. Most western males have ironically been pussified by the liberal feminist agenda sufficiently that they would die before admitting it.
In other parts of the world, generally places of limited freedoms because of economic hardship combined with some religious inspiration/excuses. Be it India, Iran, Uganda, Saudi Arabia or Dagestan.
Women don't be having freedoms like leaving the house when they want, they always answer to the men, can't go anywhere without father or a brother. Would be considered sluts or raped if they did and the communities almost unanimously agree that the woman deserved it.
If an American liberal man happened to be born in that culture he would be quite open about his desire to control women, honest with himself about the shame his slutty sister brings on the family, be more self conscious about that shame as everyone else's family doesn't seem to have any sluts. And if he has some balls he would do something about it. If that something was to kill his daughter , it would probably be respected by his peers.

Women can leave the house when they want in India , Iran and Uganda. It used to be that in Saudi they could leave the house, but needed a male guardian's permission to travel long distance , especially out of the country. The law was recently changed allowing women to travel abroad without a man's permission. I don't about Dagetan.

Also from your post, you sound as if someone who sympathises with these primitive male attitudes and hate how the West's liberal views on gender rights.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Don't you think it is absurd to claim the Quran and or Hadiths are talking about Raisans ?

Yes I just don't like the 72 part. It is patronizing to me when people bring up an obscure hadith but houri (virgin) are definitly mentioned in the quran numerous times. I just don't like how something like this is used to demonize all muslims as radical ready to fight and blow themselves up to be a martyr and receive 72 virgins (not that I am claiming you said that).

Maybe its not my place to say but people like Irshad Manji are extremely contradictory. How can you be a Lesbian and claim to be a Muslim especially a scholar. There is a huge cognitive dissonance going on in ultra liberal muslims.

 

[MicroBrew]

Yes I just don't like the 72 part. It is patronizing to me when people bring up an obscure hadith but houri (virgin) are definitly mentioned in the quran numerous times. I just don't like how something like this is used to demonize all muslims as radical ready to fight and blow themselves up to be a martyr and receive 72 virgins (not that I am claiming you said that).

Maybe its not my place to say but people like Irshad Manji are extremely contradictory. How can you be a Lesbian and claim to be a Muslim especially a scholar. There is a huge cognitive dissonance going on in ultra liberal muslims.

My position is to not conflate Islam with Muslims. Islam is a supremacist genocidal religion but that does not mean Muslims per see are supremacist and genocidal. Hindusim and Judaism are both racist and supremacist but that does not mean your average Hindu or Jewish person is supremacist .

I can't stand people like Manji or our elites who peddle deliberate lies. Bush Jnr said Islam is a religion of Peace which was a lie but I think he did not know it was a lie, he was just repeating what his advisers were telling him. But when someone like Obama or Hillary or our establishment repeat this claim, I do believe they are knowingly lying. When the Orlando gay nightclub shooting happened the Obama admin tried to claim the shooting had nothing to do with militant Islam, which was a blatant lie, one which was disputed by Al Qaeda.

 

[Islam Imamate]

@French Canadian
It doesn't call for it in the Quran or other Islamic texts, can you explain why it happens regularly with Muslims anyways?

Muslim societies tend to be underdeveloped, patriarchal, low trust, and communally organized along ties of kinship. Those factors make honor killing more likely. To the extent that Muslim societies are less like that you will see fewer honor killings. The same applies to non-Muslim societies as evidenced by India which is majority non-Muslim but also has many honor killings because its society is also characterized by those things.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Maybe its not my place to say but people like Irshad Manji are extremely contradictory. How can you be a Lesbian and claim to be a Muslim especially a scholar. There is a huge cognitive dissonance going on in ultra liberal muslims.

Let's be frank here, people like her just want to make Islam in their own image instead of actually conforming to its ethical framework. Notice her audience is mostly in English and mostly non-Muslim too, she's really just telling non-Muslims what they want to hear and maybe convincing a few lax Muslims in the West here and there.

Islam has had "reformers" before, or mujaddid as we might say. And when you compare the likes of Irshad Manji or Asra Nomani to the likes of Imam Ghazali the former leave a lot to be desired.

 

[HereticBD]

A couple, even one generation back many white Americans would do the same thing to their daughters if they ran off with a black guy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This is getting us astray from the topic of discussion, but I feel like secularism is built in Christianity. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" ; "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But now (or 'as it is') my kingdom is not from the world".
Islam, however, is very political. That is why I belive that change in Islamic country must come out of interpretations of the Quran; they will never accept secularism like christians can accept it.

Averroes, the so called father of secularism, was a Muslim though.

 

[weirdflex]

Women can leave the house when they want in India , Iran and Uganda. It used to be that in Saudi they could leave the house, but needed a male guardian's permission to travel long distance , especially out of the country. The law was recently changed allowing women to travel abroad without a man's permission. I don't about Dagetan.

Also from your post, you sound as if someone who sympathises with these primitive male attitudes and hate how the West's liberal views on gender rights.

There are households in western Europe and USA where women cannot leave their house. Hell there are entire communities / cults in the USA built by men (usually white and some flavour of Christian) who want to build a whole village worth of personal concubines.
The difference in places like Iran , Saudi Arabia and India is that it would be tolerated and sometimes even supported by the community and legal system.

In regards to India , it is a country with 2000 different ethnicities , 216 languages and a whole rainbow of religious or secular social values.
But overall the massive varied nation that it is, it retains a very poor situation in terms of rights and safety of women.
If a woman is sexually assaulted in public in India, not only would most bystanders fail to stop it, they'd all join in a big gang rape. Then mutilate and kill her before ditching the body.
This is a regular occurrence in India.

In India in almost every place you can by a used cell phone and software / videos (illegally downloaded). There is a persistent under the counter trade of rape videos.

Most men tend to have some kind of appreciation of local amateurp porn featuring
the kind of women they see around them. This whole category in the Indian subcontinent, is mostly rape videos. In the cases where it is not rape it is videos made without the permission of the female, which led her to suicide after video was leaked.


Do you know what this is?

It is called a scolds bridle.
They were used throughout the British isles and from what I gather, sometimes amongst early settlers in USA (most definitely with slaves of course), they were a method of punishment for LOCAL native women, even your own wife. For trivial crime of being a "nag" or "gossip". I.E displeasing men by doing anything other than looking at the ground and saying yes sir/darling.

In 1949, the NOBEL prize for medicine was given to the inventors of the lobotomy.
By 1951, 20,000 lobotomies had been performed in the USA alone.
Lobotomies were almost always carried out at the behest of a family to a more vulnerable member of the same family.

In the Holocaust 6 million+ people were exterminated. People formerly people's favourite friends, colleagues, teachers, doctor's, musicians, students, patients, even spouses.
But there was nearly total support of the Holocaust by the population of Germany , people with a mixture of Christian and modern humanist values in an era more than a century after Slavery was abolished because it was seen as evil.

Lesson of the story, everyone has some sick dark, controlling, dominating and exploitative behaviours inside them. And in situations where the society around you accepts them, they are likely to come out. As has been proven countless times even since 1900.

All of your aggressive denialist attitudes are only a display of this very kind of tribal chauvinism.

You all perceive this Iranian yokel who killed his daughter as being in an enemy tribe. So you fail to see him and his actions for what they are and how they might happen in your own community, even by your own hands.
Blame it all on the perceived enemy, describe them as a unique evil to be eradicated.
Islam is one of these perceived enemy tribes of the American "right" maga crowd. Ironically "SJW's" , feminists and anyone promoting snowflake culture is too.

And hear you all are, now turned into chest thumping champions of gender equality and social justice.

 

[MicroBrew]

There are households in western Europe and USA where women cannot leave their house. Hell there are entire communities / cults in the USA built by men (usually white and some flavour of Christian) who want to build a whole village worth of personal concubines.
The difference in places like Iran , Saudi Arabia and India is that it would be tolerated and sometimes even supported by the community and legal system.

In regards to India , it is a country with 2000 different ethnicities , 216 languages and a whole rainbow of religious or secular social values.
But overall the massive varied nation that it is, it retains a very poor situation in terms of rights and safety of women.
If a woman is sexually assaulted in public in India, not only would most bystanders fail to stop it, they'd all join in a big gang rape. Then mutilate and kill her before ditching the body.
This is a regular occurrence in India.

In India in almost every place you can by a used cell phone and software / videos (illegally downloaded). There is a persistent under the counter trade of rape videos.

Most men tend to have some kind of appreciation of local amateurp porn featuring
the kind of women they see around them. This whole category in the Indian subcontinent, is mostly rape videos. In the cases where it is not rape it is videos made without the permission of the female, which led her to suicide after video was leaked.


Do you know what this is?

It is called a scolds bridle.
They were used throughout the British isles and from what I gather, sometimes amongst early settlers in USA (most definitely with slaves of course), they were a method of punishment for LOCAL native women, even your own wife. For trivial crime of being a "nag" or "gossip". I.E displeasing men by doing anything other than looking at the ground and saying yes sir/darling.

In 1949, the NOBEL prize for medicine was given to the inventors of the lobotomy.
By 1951, 20,000 lobotomies had been performed in the USA alone.
Lobotomies were almost always carried out at the behest of a family to a more vulnerable member of the same family.

In the Holocaust 6 million+ people were exterminated. People formerly people's favourite friends, colleagues, teachers, doctor's, musicians, students, patients, even spouses.
But there was nearly total support of the Holocaust by the population of Germany , people with a mixture of Christian and modern humanist values in an era more than a century after Slavery was abolished because it was seen as evil.

Lesson of the story, everyone has some sick dark, controlling, dominating and exploitative behaviours inside them. And in situations where the society around you accepts them, they are likely to come out. As has been proven countless times even since 1900.

All of your aggressive denialist attitudes are only a display of this very kind of tribal chauvinism.

You all perceive this Iranian yokel who killed his daughter as being in an enemy tribe. So you fail to see him and his actions for what they are and how they might happen in your own community, even by your own hands.
Blame it all on the perceived enemy, describe them as a unique evil to be eradicated.
Islam is one of these perceived enemy tribes of the American "right" maga crowd. Ironically "SJW's" , feminists and anyone promoting snowflake culture is too.

And hear you all are, now turned into chest thumping champions of gender equality and social justice.

Where do you see me trying to demonize Iran and Iranian culture? So I don't know what your post was meant to argue for or against.

Yeah there are some cults in America cooping up women to be nothing but baby makers , but the only one that comes to mind is a Fundementalist Mormom sect. Next door in Canada there is or was an Ultra Orthodox sect called Lev Tahor which was a fringe sect not representative of Ultra Orthodox , that cooped up women, made them dress in a hijab and abaya , and just relegated their lives to baby making. Other than these 2 cases I can't think of any examples. The difference in places like Saudi or Pakistan or Islam in general is that hard core patriarchal attitudes are the norm and Islam provides justification. In such countries attitudes against women that would be considered abnormal or rare in the West is the norm.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

There are households in western Europe and USA where women cannot leave their house. Hell there are entire communities / cults in the USA built by men (usually white and some flavour of Christian) who want to build a whole village worth of personal concubines.
The difference in places like Iran , Saudi Arabia and India is that it would be tolerated and sometimes even supported by the community and legal system.

In regards to India , it is a country with 2000 different ethnicities , 216 languages and a whole rainbow of religious or secular social values.
But overall the massive varied nation that it is, it retains a very poor situation in terms of rights and safety of women.
If a woman is sexually assaulted in public in India, not only would most bystanders fail to stop it, they'd all join in a big gang rape. Then mutilate and kill her before ditching the body.
This is a regular occurrence in India.

In India in almost every place you can by a used cell phone and software / videos (illegally downloaded). There is a persistent under the counter trade of rape videos.

Most men tend to have some kind of appreciation of local amateurp porn featuring
the kind of women they see around them. This whole category in the Indian subcontinent, is mostly rape videos. In the cases where it is not rape it is videos made without the permission of the female, which led her to suicide after video was leaked.


Do you know what this is?

It is called a scolds bridle.
They were used throughout the British isles and from what I gather, sometimes amongst early settlers in USA (most definitely with slaves of course), they were a method of punishment for LOCAL native women, even your own wife. For trivial crime of being a "nag" or "gossip". I.E displeasing men by doing anything other than looking at the ground and saying yes sir/darling.

In 1949, the NOBEL prize for medicine was given to the inventors of the lobotomy.
By 1951, 20,000 lobotomies had been performed in the USA alone.
Lobotomies were almost always carried out at the behest of a family to a more vulnerable member of the same family.

In the Holocaust 6 million+ people were exterminated. People formerly people's favourite friends, colleagues, teachers, doctor's, musicians, students, patients, even spouses.
But there was nearly total support of the Holocaust by the population of Germany , people with a mixture of Christian and modern humanist values in an era more than a century after Slavery was abolished because it was seen as evil.

Lesson of the story, everyone has some sick dark, controlling, dominating and exploitative behaviours inside them. And in situations where the society around you accepts them, they are likely to come out. As has been proven countless times even since 1900.

All of your aggressive denialist attitudes are only a display of this very kind of tribal chauvinism.

You all perceive this Iranian yokel who killed his daughter as being in an enemy tribe. So you fail to see him and his actions for what they are and how they might happen in your own community, even by your own hands.
Blame it all on the perceived enemy, describe them as a unique evil to be eradicated.
Islam is one of these perceived enemy tribes of the American "right" maga crowd. Ironically "SJW's" , feminists and anyone promoting snowflake culture is too.

And hear you all are, now turned into chest thumping champions of gender equality and social justice.

I think the issue is that the west is primarily an individualistic guilt culture, yes we still have some aspects of honor-shame, saving face-losing face but most of us can't relate to how honor/face are linked to your and your family/clans survival. This guys killed his daughter because he believed in the long run it was better for his and the rest of his family/clans survival... That sounds so foreign and disgusting to modern westerners, most can't fathom it.

 

[evansusmc2]

The bible says gay people should be stoned. “If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” Not all Christians agree with this although it is in the doctrine.

These passages in the bible have been ousted and condemned LOOOOOOONG ago by virtually all christians. Can't say the same for Islam.

 

[thehighking]

These passages in the bible have been ousted and condemned LOOOOOOONG ago by virtually all christians. Can't say the same for Islam.

Yes there are definitely more Muslim fanatics than Christian fanatics. The barber who cuts my hair is Muslim and he doesn't agree with violence. As a Muslim he would be very offended for someone to blame his religion for what other Muslims do. Do you understand what I'm trying to explain? No point saying "Islam is bad" because many Muslims are wonderful people and don't agree with the violent passages in the Quran.

 

[evansusmc2]

A couple, even one generation back many white Americans would do the same thing to their daughters if they ran off with a black guy.

Bull shit! Speak for yourself duuuuuuuude! And we are talking about TODAY. Not talking about era when none of us for alive.

Everyone here criticising the father or his mindset is a social justice warrior.

Says you.

 

[sherdogwantedtonamemekiki]

A flaming sickle?! Jesus those backwater fucktards really know how to add some flare to a beheading. Also, why and how the fuck was a 34 year old in contact with her?

 

[evansusmc2]

Yes there are definitely more Muslim fanatics than Christian fanatics. The barber who cuts my hair is Muslim and he doesn't agree with violence. As a Muslim he would be very offended for someone to blame his religion for what other Muslims do. Do you understand what I'm trying to explain? No point saying "Islam is bad" because many Muslims are wonderful people and don't agree with the violent passages in the Quran.

Fanatics will always exist in Islam because the MAJORITY will turn a blind eye, won't lift a finger to stop it, or they overly support it. See how that works? If the majority of muslims wanted to end extremism they would have done it decades ago.

 

[MicroBrew]

Yes there are definitely more Muslim fanatics than Christian fanatics. The barber who cuts my hair is Muslim and he doesn't agree with violence. As a Muslim he would be very offended for someone to blame his religion for what other Muslims do. Do you understand what I'm trying to explain? No point saying "Islam is bad" because many Muslims are wonderful people and don't agree with the violent passages in the Quran.

The issue is that the people aren't bad but the religion is. And when you point this out, Muslims and Islam apologists get mad and call you Islamophobic. Muslims do not want to admit that their religion does condone and encourage genocidal behavior. Would it be ok for Whites to call everyone "anti White racist" and throw a tantrum everytime someone criticized racism and Christianity.