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That's like 15 months worth of cokems and hooking
What do you mean "supposedly allegedly"? Francis himself said on the Helwani show he was offered $8m for the Jones fight.No not a chance in hell. UFC was offering Francis 8 million (supposedly allegedly). Whoever created those fake text messages saying this screwed up when they went with a 15 million amount. That shit isn't believable. Dana? 15 million? Dana developed a crack addiction?
Obviously even a dominant win over Stipe does jack shit for his legacy, but if he's getting 15 million for it, then why in the hell wouldn't he want this? The fight should be a gimme and Jon will be a shitload richer after it. If he really does retire afterwards instead of unifying, then he'll have a bad blemish on his record, but the bottom line is that even though the Stipe fight doesn't make sense from a sports perspective, it sure as hell makes sense for Jon.
He basically sold his legacy for 15m. He’ll be known as the dude who ducked Tom out of fear and held the heavyweight belt hostage to do it.
it’s amazing that some people still don’t understand why stipe is the correct fight for jones, notwithstanding money.
stipe is currently the best ufc hw champ ever. he has the most defenses and the best resume. he also happens to have a win over the “lineal” champ, fwiw. if jones beats stipe, he can correctly say “i went up to hw and beat the best hw champ ufc has ever had… i beat the guy who beat nggano…” etc. that helps his legacy.
what about aspinall? well, he’s just the next contender. that’s it. if jones wins, aspinall will immediately be dismissed as “never that good.” in fact, that’s exactly what happened to pavlovich after aspinall beat him. remember pavlovich? of course you don’t. that was last year. and let’s not even talk about gane, who is suddenly perceived as a can. beating aspinall would probably do very little for jones’s legacy.
“but stipe is washed up, and aspinall is in his prime.” assuming that’s true (and who knows if stipe really is washed), so what? stipe is stipe. his name means something. the only way aspinall’s name will mean anything is if he manages to beat jones.
those two are long retired. they also do not hold the distinctions i mentioned. so you are not correctly applying the “logic” here. if stipe were 10 years retired, maybe you’d have a point, but he’s one a 1-fight losing streak. that’s it.By this logic, jon should fight randy couture and Mark Coleman.
Recency matters. Stipe WAS a great hw, but he's a retired shell.
Yeah, everyone would be chill with it too if they just stripped him of the belt and kept things moving.
What the fuck are you talking about? Jon vs Stipe is at least as relevant as Jake Logan vs Mike Tyson.Oh I think most can agree he's smart for taking the easiest high payday he can.
I just think outside of Pink Goofasaurus, Picto Pokeyemon, and his last remaining handful of fans, virtually no one is excited for this bizarre circus fight.
those two are long retired. they also do not hold the distinctions i mentioned. so you are not correctly applying the “logic” here. if stipe were 10 years retired, maybe you’d have a point, but he’s one a 1-fight losing streak. that’s it.
I think it does overall. He very clearly and embarrassingly ducked Tom to fight a guy in his 40’s who last got knocked out cold 3 years ago.That's a pretty silly claim.
Late career match picking in no way detracts from jons incredible dominance at lhw.
It's the multiple drug and ped abuses, the domestic assaults and the other terrible things that detract from his legacy
I think it does overall. He very clearly and embarrassingly ducked Tom to fight a guy in his 40’s who last got knocked out cold 3 years ago.
MMA is very much a “what have you done lately” sport. I’ll give Jon props for fighting a murders row at LHW, as a young guy and doing what nobody else could do but he’ll be known as the dude who ran and hid instead of the guy who took on the best of a division and retired the old guard of LHW.
Instead of being known as the best ever which he probably is, he’ll be known as a POS wife eater/drug addict who ducked Tom Aspinall and made 1000000 excuses to do so.
You can say it all you want and type all the words out but you cannot debunk me because it cannot be debunked. Jon is refusing to fight a guy with a more legit claim at a title than him, who is the interim champ.That has already been debunked and is false.
Jon already had the fight with Stipe agreed upon before Tom was even a top division fighter. So how can one duck Tom for Stipe when Tom was not even in the picture when the Stipe fight was made and when it was brought up.
I feel like a broken record.
Tom was behind Gane, Blaydes, Sergei, and Jones when that fight with Stipe was made. His loss to Blaydes put him behind Blaydes and Sergei's win over Blaydes put both of them behind Sergei. So when that fight was made Tom was behind 4 top division HW fighters. He was not even considered a fill in for Jones v Stipe because he had lost to Blaydes and possibly not worth their time.
He is now the interim belt holder but when the initial fight was put in place he was not even a top 3 fighter on the roster. You can say he should fight Tom after the Stipe fight which is plausible but again he was not given the fight yet. You can say he possibly ducked Aspinall after the Stipe fight if he choses to fight someone else but that is all.
Outside of that Tom was not even worth the time of the UFC to give him a backup spot against jones vs Stipe which lets us know he was nowhere in the picture.
You can say it all you want and type all the words out but you cannot debunk me because it cannot be debunked. Jon is refusing to fight a guy with a more legit claim at a title than him, who is the interim champ.
I am not a jones Hater
"he’ll be known as a POS wife eater/drug addict"
it’s amazing that some people still don’t understand why stipe is the correct fight for jones, notwithstanding money.
stipe is currently the best ufc hw champ ever. he has the most defenses and the best resume. he also happens to have a win over the “lineal” champ, fwiw. if jones beats stipe, he can correctly say “i went up to hw and beat the best hw champ ufc has ever had… i beat the guy who beat nggano…” etc. that helps his legacy.
what about aspinall? well, he’s just the next contender. that’s it. if jones wins, aspinall will immediately be dismissed as “never that good.” in fact, that’s exactly what happened to pavlovich after aspinall beat him. remember pavlovich? of course you don’t. that was last year. and let’s not even talk about gane, who is suddenly perceived as a can. beating aspinall would probably do very little for jones’s legacy.
“but stipe is washed up, and aspinall is in his prime.” assuming that’s true (and who knows if stipe really is washed), so what? stipe is stipe. his name means something. the only way aspinall’s name will mean anything is if he manages to beat jones.
Did I miss something? i thought Jon was saying that's the fight that he did want to do before retiring.Obviously even a dominant win over Stipe does jack shit for his legacy, but if he's getting 15 million for it, then why in the hell wouldn't he want this? The fight should be a gimme and Jon will be a shitload richer after it. If he really does retire afterwards instead of unifying, then he'll have a bad blemish on his record, but the bottom line is that even though the Stipe fight doesn't make sense from a sports perspective, it sure as hell makes sense for Jon.
The point is that unless Jon loses to Stipe, the Aspinall fight will be there afterwards if he wants it (which he should, as ducking Tom and retiring would be a worse look than losing to him would be). That's two massive paydays. Jon's more likely to lose to Aspinall, in which case, he'd only have the one massive payday if he fought the guy now.Because Jon Jones is an insecure egomaniac and if he goes with this route, he will never hear the end of ducking Aspinall for the rest of his life. It will slowly eat at him even though he will put a on good face publicly.