Kron = the cult of 'all you need is BJJ' (you dont need other grappling or striking) - Cult Ended

I'm kind of surprised by the amount of salt in this thread.

I'm not particularly surprised to be honest. Bjj as a whole dies or gets a lot of shit everytime a big Bjj name lose in the UFC. Completely normal business here.

And that's nothing.. wait till someone with some proper hype on like Hall or Tonon lose a match..
 
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I'm not particularly surprised to be honest. Bjj as a whole dies or gets a lot of shit everytime a big Bjj name lose in the UFC. Completely normal business here.

And that's nothing.. wait till someone with some proper hype on like Hall or Tonon lose a match..
Maybe is because when a BJJ guy wins in the octagon the marketing goes up like hell and fans don´t recognize the fighter had other skills too.
 
Maybe is because when a BJJ guy wins in the octagon the marketing goes up like hell and fans don´t recognize the fighter had other skills too.

Given that two wrongs don't make a right, I hardly think it's the case at least lately, tho.

Last truly solid Bjj guy in the cage was Demian Maia and when he had his gold moment I remember a lot of praises on how well he connected wrestling with his Bjj. Or with the early successes of Hall.. he's doing so well because togheter with his Bjj he implemented that unorthodox striking style which gives him unpredictability and I think there is more people recognizing this than not. Same with Tonon looking very well rounded even if it's still all to see in the higher levels.

Then there might still be fanboys, sure, but I think the era in which the majority of fans who trained or had some good idea/interest in the sport believed you could win at the top by be monodimensional in whatever you want is long gone.
 
Yeah to those who say kron just wanted to box... just no. Have you guys watched the gracie strategy ever? They box and keep on boxing til theres a takedown, from them or the other guy. I think gregor gracie with some striking training would be better than kron in mma. Hes had some good takedowns in quintet.

Oh shit Gregor did do mma and he had good single leg takedowns... wtf kron watch your cousins fights.
 
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Ugh great the UFC forum is spilling over here now. FFS.
 
Hmmm....What to say to the 4 guys who train BJJ at work today?

RIP?

BJJ is a waste of time unless you do it for a hobby?

I won't forget the Brown Belt and BB standing too far away to help while a steroid addicted head case got in a supervisors face a few months back....

Guess it's the old Judo/TKD guy who has to step up and figure a beating is just part of the game to have someone's back when it's on a concrete floor.

Never respect BJJ again after that.

Glad Swanson proved striking is the dominant sport fighting form last night.
you are very badass.
 
Kron didnt really use his grappling so this thread is pretty retarded. Im not even sure what Kron was thinking tonight. Theres no doubt in my mind he could have taken Cub down if he wanted to but never even tried. Just watch his fight with Kawajiri who is at the very least as good as Cub. There were moments where they were tied up and Kron could have easily went for takedowns. Maybe he wanted to prove he has been working on his stand up a lot. I dont know, but that was really dumb of him. For what its worth he showed insane mental toughness and durability tonight even though he was stubborn and had a poor gameplan. Most guys with 5 fights or less would have went down from those kicks to the body. Kron should stick to what hes good at which is taking his opponents down, taking their backs and choking them.

Sounds pretty delusional tbh. Oh yeah he could have but didn't want to. WTF - yeah sure he decided to eat punches to the face and to the body for 3 rounds just for fun.

The only moments he came close to not being an impotent opponent in that fight was when he jumped on his ass and tried to pull guard but Cub just walked away.
 
Hard for people in the Gracie cult and thats what it is worshing false idols. Kneeling bowing to pictures of Gracies before class indoctrination of Gracie god like status.

Kron wont last long in the ufc youve heard it here I am going to take allot of heat like other posters who have pointed this out. He'll go back to Asia after ufc stint ends and fight rearranged fights then retire and help his dad in Gracie corporation.

Huh no. Anyone who knows anything about fighting knows that Kron has bum-level standup and knows that nothing indicates that he can take the fight to the ground. Myself and many posters have pointed that out.

People who will find excuses for him are beejayjay fanboys.

Kron is a tough guy with good cardio but he is getting CTE on his way to the top-ten and is getting cut within a year.
 
Sounds an interesting story, can you share more?
Are u saying a BJJ blackbelt and brownbelt didnt want to get involved in an altercation because it was on concrete?
No they didn't. They stead inside, 40 feet away.

Our supervisor has been hassled by this steroid and drug addicted mentally unstable guy who was pointed out to me. I always take note when he comes around-not sure why they don't ban him and immediately call LEO to let them take out the trash-and keep a loose eye on him.

That day he'd fucked up his juicing cocktail, was partially incoherent and literally doing these crazy flexing straining poses like his blood pressure was going to pop a brain artery. We couldn't tell if he was decompensating and going to roid rage destroy everyone on the spot. We keep repeating for him to come outside and finally get him out the door, but he stands right in front of it still out to lunch upstairs.

I'me just out of arms reach-didn't want getting grabbed by guy 30lbs heavier- half behind him reach so if he goes for my supervisor, I'm half a step away to disrupt his line and thinking "well I've been hit, kicked, elbowed, kneed, thrown on just about everything taken people down and restrained on everything, survived two major surgeries to put me back together, as long as this nutjob doesn't cause permanent brain damage I'm no worse of than I've been in the past"

As I'm pepping myself through the kind of adrenaline dump that I haven't had to work through for four years, I look back inside and the two BJJ bad asses are eyes down trying to ignore what's going down outside. Never even came up to the door, never came outside to form a loose perimeter like the manual says-not that they've ever done security work or violent encounter environment detail before-not a backup support indication from ether. Just eyes down, go about their business surrender.

Finally we lead the guy down the block, he starts to absorb what ever the fuck he took, gets some of his faculties and we fall back to mid point.

We're both like "fuckin A, I thought he was going after us eventually" I'm like "Whatever, as long as company insurance was paying, I've been out on re hab IR in the last two years, I was ready to go again, I always have a squad members back..."

I heard from another crew one of the BJJ guys said "That guy was huge, I'm not getting involved" to the effect that it's not his job description.

Quick fun story from two weeks ago.

A dude pitches forward eye's rolled back, limbs cramped up, biting his tongue, bleeding out his mouth.

Classic epileptic seizure symptoms.

Bunch of people scream no clue what to do.

I hear the event from around the corner 40 feet away sprint on scene, get the guy on his side, never carry com's anymore out in the civie world, tell someone to call 911 get me gloves. Get a rolled up rag between his teeth and keep talking him conscious. The company gun nut stands back-didn't take tail like the BJJ guys- no FA skills, no clue what to do, but can blather on endlessly about how many different kinds of guns he has....

Point is, I keep saying, outside of our specific skill experience we freeze and can't process high speed events very effectively. You gotta live it to be able to do it...

Sry I digressed....


you are very badass.

No, still kicking myself for the slow adrenaline dump reaction time and just worked in this shit for a bunch of years. Anyone can do it, you just need to do it for real so you don't squirrel like do now.

Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette, besides roll around on safely padded floors and rings....
 
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No, still kicking myself for the slow adrenaline dump reaction time and just worked in this shit for a bunch of years. Anyone can do it, you just need to do it for real so you don't squirrel like do now.

Gotta break some eggs to make an omelette, besides roll around on safely padded floors and rings....
it's almost as if the art itself doesn't define all of your actions in a potential altercation, but your character and current state of mind somehow do. who would've thought?

obviously the bjj black and brown belt guys were not manly enough to handle the real world, and your judo / TKD background clearly makes you the alpha here. i'm certain when it was all said and done everyone applauded and all the women at the office offered you fellatio.

clearly, that means bjj is useless. swanson just confirmed what you obviously knew all along by beating the shit out of kron.
 
It's turns out that in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS it's advantageous to MIX the MARTIAL ARTS.
 
Found this on espn.com
The big picture: How fights ended

About half of all UFC fights will end inside the distance, but far more so by TKO than by submission. The finish rate for 2017 was right at 50 percent, thanks to 146 KO/TKOs and 80 submissions. That's slightly up from two years spent at a 49 percent finish rate, which we'd assume is within the noise were it not for a separate trend. Higher weight classes see more finishes, and yet despite the addition of two new women's divisions on the lower end of the size spectrum, the finish rate remained level, or just higher. It would appear that regardless of the mix of divisions in the UFC, we'll still see an even share of finishes for a while to come.

The UFC was born under the iron grip of Brazilian jiu-jitsu specialists, which drove most fights to be finished by submission in the early days. But that trend has slowly changed as less time is spent on the ground overall. In modern MMA, a finish is more likely to come by strikes via TKO, KO or doctor's stoppage. And 2017 saw the second highest share of fights finished by strikes in modern UFC history. Only 2013 saw more striking finishes relative to submissions, and only by a (probably crooked) nose. If the trend keeps up, we'll approach twice as many KO/TKOs as submissions as fighters keep fights standing more often.
Fighters have learned to defend takedowns and keep the fight standing...or is it that fighters love to get the highlight KO?
 
Found this on espn.com
The big picture: How fights ended

About half of all UFC fights will end inside the distance, but far more so by TKO than by submission. The finish rate for 2017 was right at 50 percent, thanks to 146 KO/TKOs and 80 submissions. That's slightly up from two years spent at a 49 percent finish rate, which we'd assume is within the noise were it not for a separate trend. Higher weight classes see more finishes, and yet despite the addition of two new women's divisions on the lower end of the size spectrum, the finish rate remained level, or just higher. It would appear that regardless of the mix of divisions in the UFC, we'll still see an even share of finishes for a while to come.

The UFC was born under the iron grip of Brazilian jiu-jitsu specialists, which drove most fights to be finished by submission in the early days. But that trend has slowly changed as less time is spent on the ground overall. In modern MMA, a finish is more likely to come by strikes via TKO, KO or doctor's stoppage. And 2017 saw the second highest share of fights finished by strikes in modern UFC history. Only 2013 saw more striking finishes relative to submissions, and only by a (probably crooked) nose. If the trend keeps up, we'll approach twice as many KO/TKOs as submissions as fighters keep fights standing more often.
Fighters have learned to defend takedowns and keep the fight standing...or is it that fighters love to get the highlight KO?

Off subject in my part but I think its not a wonder that most fights end in KOs TKOs when most practioners come from a striking base, pure mma base, BJJ base.

Checkout a good wrestler any good wrestler and the statistic of finishes on the feet and not on the ground is less.
 
Off subject in my part but I think its not a wonder that most fights end in KOs TKOs when most practioners come from a striking base, pure mma base, BJJ base.

Checkout a good wrestler any good wrestler and the statistic of finishes on the feet and not on the ground is less.
What, like:
Johny Hendricks
Henry Cejudo
Daniel Cormier

*just the first three that came to mind...
 
Look at guys top of their game who use wrestling to win

Colby has like 5 wins via submission and 2 via KO TKO

Mighty mouse it just gets rediculous like 13 wins or something via submisions.

Khabib finishes mostly through takdowns then ground control. Mostly submisions.
 
Look at guys top of their game who use wrestling to win

Colby has like 5 wins via submission and 2 via KO TKO

Mighty mouse it just gets rediculous like 13 wins or something via submisions.

Khabib finishes mostly through takdowns then ground control. Mostly submisions.
So is your point that fighters with a wrestling base often win by...
wrestling?
 
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