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Seemed to work ok for James Cameron.
And Captain Marvel made more than a billion.
Seemed to work ok for James Cameron.
And Captain Marvel made more than a billion.
The writing and planning suffers when you're doing too many unrelated, disjointed projects.the writing and planning suffers when you spread it out over so many projects. Your issues are a symptom of over saturation/too many productions.
outside of the avengers series no marvel project really demands prior viewing to understand the story. They will epilogue everything you need to know because otherwise it would limit audiences. Again an issue of over production because the stakes of these projects are kept low and dumbed down so they can churn out more and more. That’s what wrong with Guardians 3, not much of consequence happens. Star lord mopes about his girl like usual, she’s back from the dead cuz real deaths would limit making more projects so who cares, the villain is just whiny, you can have star lord space walk commando without consequence because we’re going to have to pump out more with him down the line. There’s no stakes to any battle or sacrifice or scene because you know they need that character back for more content later. The writing is handcuffed by the constantly churning out of projects,
The writing and planning suffers when you're doing too many unrelated, disjointed projects.
They make the same amount of movies a year they've been making for years. The TV shows haven't played a part in any of the current issues with the larger MCU.
The movies prior to Black Widow were all pretty much connected in some way and were leading to one story. The thing that happened in Thor 2, or Civil War had a direct effect on what happens in the next movies down the line. The number of movies wasn't an issue because they were all going in the same direction.
There is no direction now. These characters inhabit the same MCU, but they don't interact, and they aren't moving towards anything.
They've introduced new characters, retired others, and they're all from different walks of life that don't seem connected. They're all doing their own universe saving quests as if they don't live in the same universe.
Egyptian God, Chinese magic land, Multiverse and magic, Time travelling and Quantumverse, ancient Eternals and Deviants, She-Hulk that doesn't want to be a hero, Super Skrulls taking over the world, Space adventures with the Marvels, etc.... Vs. Earth and an Asgardian story that was connected to Earth still. (Guardians was the only thing that really strayed, but it was to further the overall story)
It's only too much because it's just a bunch of random projects that aren't going anywhere. The strength of the MCU is how they connect, and these things aren't connected.
Death is always going to be something that is going to be rare in a comic book movie, but that isn't the only available consequence. The easy way out would have just been to make Gamora fall in love with Star Lord again.
The consequence is that he lost the girl that he loved. It was actually a really mature way to handle and wrap that story up. He didn't just mope about her, he finally came to grips with the reality that his Gamora is dead.
The team is essentially disbanded, but there are no consequences? Star Lord has a longer shelf life than that, and there are more interesting stories with him in the comics that don't just have to deal with The Guardians/being in love with Gamora. He can be free to explore those in the future.
The writing and planning suffers when you're doing too many unrelated, disjointed projects.
They make the same amount of movies a year they've been making for years. The TV shows haven't played a part in any of the current issues with the larger MCU.
The movies prior to Black Widow were all pretty much connected in some way and were leading to one story. The thing that happened in Thor 2, or Civil War had a direct effect on what happens in the next movies down the line. The number of movies wasn't an issue because they were all going in the same direction.
There is no direction now. These characters inhabit the same MCU, but they don't interact, and they aren't moving towards anything.
They've introduced new characters, retired others, and they're all from different walks of life that don't seem connected. They're all doing their own universe saving quests as if they don't live in the same universe.
Egyptian God, Chinese magic land, Multiverse and magic, Time travelling and Quantumverse, ancient Eternals and Deviants, She-Hulk that doesn't want to be a hero, Super Skrulls taking over the world, Space adventures with the Marvels, etc.... Vs. Earth and an Asgardian story that was connected to Earth still. (Guardians was the only thing that really strayed, but it was to further the overall story)
It's only too much because it's just a bunch of random projects that aren't going anywhere. The strength of the MCU is how they connect, and these things aren't connected.
Death is always going to be something that is going to be rare in a comic book movie, but that isn't the only available consequence. The easy way out would have just been to make Gamora fall in love with Star Lord again.
The consequence is that he lost the girl that he loved. It was actually a really mature way to handle and wrap that story up. He didn't just mope about her, he finally came to grips with the reality that his Gamora is dead.
The team is essentially disbanded, but there are no consequences? Star Lord has a longer shelf life than that, and there are more interesting stories with him in the comics that don't just have to deal with The Guardians/being in love with Gamora. He can be free to explore those in the future.
This is a silly point that is often said by haters. It's geared towards kids? Because a child and an adult can both enjoy something doesn't mean that it is geared towards either. I can enjoy the Lion King as a child, and as an adult for reasons beyond nostalgia. Adult me and Child me don't enjoy the same aspects, grasp, or relate to the same concepts in films, which is why they can appeal to a wide audience.this shit is geared towards kids as much is it nostalgic adults. With this many projects and this target audience you’re never going to be able to connect all the scripts in any significant manner, it’s too much mandatory viewing and memory recall. So you get dumbed down inconsequential story-lines like guardians 3. Quantity watering down quality.
Gamora back from the dead is lazy ass writing because of this. I already watched star lord mourn losing her in other flicks, it’s played out then they trot her back in to dangle the possibility they could reconnect then make us watch the same story line unfold again. Oh no the band broke up just like gamora was gone for good? No one cares because they’ll bring them back like they do with everyone else when they have fill another production schedule to fill,
They had to pull on heart strings with cgi animal cruelty because there’s no emotional stakes to anything else going on with guardians.
The earlier MCU I feel whilst it was telling a lot of different character stories most of them were quite small scale in terms of setting/drama with a tight focus on the lead characters which made it easy to see how they would link together. I think Wheadon perhaps gets rather too much credit for something which had been setup very well in the years prior to the first Avengers.
Yes, the early MCU pretty much all took place on Earth, or Earth was a major part of the storyline in someway. It was always grounded in that way. Those smaller, contained character stories were building up to a bigger, collaboration, even when the story took us to other galaxies.The earlier MCU I feel whilst it was telling a lot of different character stories most of them were quite small scale in terms of setting/drama with a tight focus on the lead characters which made it easy to see how they would link together. I think Wheadon perhaps gets rather too much credit for something which had been setup very well in the years prior to the first Avengers. I think at most you had the divison between the "Earthly" and "Cosmic" settings but more recently it feels like you now have many different "big" settings which will not be as easy to merge.
Again though I feel like really what made the MCU truely special was mostly down to the Russos and James Gunn, they really upped the level of the franchise in 2014 for me and I feel like all of their films would be in the top 10 MCU for me along with the original Ironman, Ragnarok and something else. Marvel have not really found directors at that level since IMHO.
Agreed. They could have made a whole movie where it was just Magneto walking the earth and fucking up ex-Nazis, and I would have watched the shit out of it
And 'hespect to the actor playing the Nazi who gets his hand pinned to the table(twice!). His facial expressions really sold just how much pain he was in,
Eric, "Blood and Honour...which do you want to shed first?"
Nazi, "We were under orders!"
Eric, "Blood, then."
it’s hilarious how fucking obvious it is that @Contempt is literally just parroting internet echo chamber buzzwords w/o actually being able to recognize any of those things himself in these movies. the dude is clearly a lonely moron who thinks it’s cool to shit on the mcu/disney for perceived wokeness, even if he can’t articulate why he feels that way.
Sad!
This is a silly point that is often said by haters. It's geared towards kids? Because a child and an adult can both enjoy something doesn't mean that it is geared towards either. I can enjoy the Lion King as a child, and as an adult for reasons beyond nostalgia. Adult me and Child me don't enjoy the same aspects, grasp, or relate to the same concepts in films, which is why they can appeal to a wide audience.
You can't even dispute my point, which is why you are now just making a vapid "comic book movies are bad/lazy" argument. You don't like comic book movies. Cool story.
The facts don't change: the number of movies has not changed. They do about 3 movies a year. The connections between the movies have changed. It's as simple as that.
You can't have 20 movies take place in the same timeline, on the same planet, going to the same direction., And then do 10 more movies taking place in different times, dimensions, with characters that don't interact and expect to get a cohesive story that is going to get fans' interest.
I asked you what you examples you saw,
not what someone else on the internet saw. Since according to you it was so obviously “filled with woke political garbage”‘ you already somehow know what the sequel’s content is without seeing it there should be a handful of examples in your head yet you choked thinking of a single example on your own. Why can’t you be a big boy and explain it with your own words?
How’s it possible you have that strong of an opinion but can’t think of a single scene on your own to support it and are asking people to google other folks reactions to explain your opinion? Because The Marvels has triggered you with its casting of diverse female leads and that was obvious when you posted about it without seeing it and the following 8 posts have you been deflecting from that by screeching about feminism, google,
and short busses.
Most movies that aren't rated R are "kid friendly". It's a dumb point to try and determine what is for kids and what is for adults, as if there is a clear line on that. Can't believe you can't understand the meaning of the Lion King example. It's an example.marvel scripts are largely kid friendly so they aren’t going to make the storylines complicated webs with mandatory viewing of multiple other projects that span a decade to connect it all. They’ll make make them single serve friendly, and that will make the scripts suffer due to a quantity over quality approach. Liking lion king has nothing to do with that.
I don’t hate comic book flicks. You made that up. marvel just made too much content like all the other studios.
Urgh, I really hated how they felt the need to insert politics into their movie like that. I don't need these leftist soyboy ideas that Nazis are bad shoved down my throat when I just want to watch a film /s
No one's asking you to write it ALL out; they just want ONE example.You're not going to goad me into writing it all out or copy and pasting other easily available information that I already linked to any more than the other retard. Nice try though.
They're inquiring about YOUR opinion. They're asking YOU to give YOUR OWN opinion. Giving them a search string to a whole bunch of other people's opinions doesn't tell them what YOURS is. It just implies you don't have one of your own.Oh I absolutely could write it out but it would be a complete waste of time when I linked you to DOZENS of people that have already done it, you just refuse to read it because it hurts your woke little snowflake feelings.
If you would have actually put in ANY effort to read the information you were inquiring about and asked for clarification afterwards, I would have been happy to elaborate but as you are refusing to even bother to read a single one of the MANY people that have already covered this, why the hell do you think I'm going to hold your hand you ridiculous dork?
You asked a question, I gave you the search string to many sources answering that exact question question and you are refusing to read any of them. Not my problem snowflake.
I think that did arguebly benefit from people thinking it was linked to Infinity War but still the reality is most people care about quality, the cultural war fruit loops on this forum have totally lost touch with reality.
I loved the way they slowly built up the tension in that scene. Eric starts of being polite and friendly, asking the two Nazis what their occupations are,
1st Nazi, "Pig farmer!"
2nd Nazi, "Tailor. Since I was a boy. My father made the finest suits in Dusseldorf".
Eric, "My parents were from Dusseldorf!"
2nd Nazi, "What was their name?"
Eric(toasts the Nazis with his beer glass)"They didn't have a name. it was taken away from them. By pig farmers. And tailors..."
The Nazis share a, WTF?! look while they and Eric drink their beers. Then Eric turns over his left forearm and we see his Auschwitz prisoner number tattoo...
Most movies that aren't rated R are "kid friendly". It's a dumb point to try and determine what is for kids and what is for adults, as if there is a clear line on that. Can't believe you can't understand the meaning of the Lion King example. It's an example.
I liked playing Mario when I was a kid, and I like playing it now as well. A child could like seeing Captain America fight Iron Man, or Spiderman flipping around; while an adult can appreciate that, and be drawn to the ideas of friendship and betrayal, or the idea of freedom of choice to do good vs. the government telling you who can do good. Enjoyment of things isn't determined solely by age or nostalgia.
And again, instead of addressing the central point I made, you go back to just shitting on the genre while claiming you don't dislike it.
Oh I absolutely could write it out but it would be a complete waste of time when I linked you to DOZENS of people that have already done it, you just refuse to read it because it hurts your woke little snowflake feelings.
If you would have actually put in ANY effort to read the information you were inquiring about and asked for clarification afterwards, I would have been happy to elaborate but as you are refusing to even bother to read a single one of the MANY people that have already covered this, why the hell do you think I'm going to hold your hand you ridiculous dork?
You asked a question, I gave you the search string to many sources answering that exact question and you are refusing to read any of them. Not my problem snowflake.