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Crime Missouri County Coroner removes COVID from death certificate if family asked.

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  1. 44nutman The Original Nut of Sherdog

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  2. PhitePhan Brown Belt

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    Very interesting... reading up on this topic (the politicization of COVID deaths and financial incentives to not diagnose COVID deaths), I came across information that FEMA actually covers funeral costs up to 9,000 dollars!

    This HEAVILY influences COVID listed as a potential cause, which is all that’s needed... can almost guarantee COVID deaths will be inflated.

    WASHINGTON -- In early April, FEMA will begin providing financial assistance for funeral expenses incurred after Jan. 20, 2020 for deaths related to coronavirus (COVID-19) to help ease some of the financial stress and burden caused by the pandemic. The policy was finalized today, and FEMA is now moving rapidly to implement this funeral assistance program nationwide.

    "At FEMA, our mission is to help people before, during and after disasters," said Acting FEMA Administrator Bob Fenton. “The COVID-19 pandemic has caused immense grief for so many people. Although we cannot change what has happened, we affirm our commitment to help with funeral and burial expenses that many families did not anticipate."

    To be eligible for COVID-19 funeral assistance, the policy states:

    • The applicant must be a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien who incurred funeral expenses after Jan. 20, 2020 for a death attributed to COVID-19.
    • If multiple individuals contributed toward funeral expenses, they should apply under a single application as applicant and co-applicant. FEMA will also consider documentation from other individuals not listed as the applicant and co-applicant who may have incurred funeral expenses as part of the registration for the deceased individual.
    • An applicant may apply for multiple deceased individuals.
    • The COVID-19-related death must have occurred in the United States, including the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia.
    • This assistance is limited to a maximum financial amount of $9,000 per funeral and a maximum of $35,500 per application.
    • Funeral assistance is intended to assist with expenses for funeral services and interment or cremation.
    In the coming weeks, a dedicated 800 number will be established to help individuals who apply. In the meantime, potential applicants are encouraged to start gathering the following documentation:
    • An official death certificate that attributes the death to COVID-19 and shows that the death occurred in the United States. The death certificate must indicate the death “may have been caused by” or “was likely the result of” COVID-19 or COVID-19-like symptoms. Similar phrases that indicate a high likelihood of COVID-19 are considered sufficient attribution.
     
  3. cincymma79 Gold Belt

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    I saw car accidents and overdoses being listed as covid deaths. I think the deaths are going to be revised later like they were for flu multiple times over the years. Probably off by several thousand but well under 100,000
     
  4. boxingskills Training to break world records.

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    People don't want the wrong cause of death listed on their family members death certificate. More late-breaking news coming up.
     
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  5. dildos Titanium Belt

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    does it just say flu as cause of death now?
     
  6. Ophydian Silver Belt

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    Meanwhile you ignore that excessive deaths track with COVID deaths but please tell us more.
     
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    Differences in reporting methodologies make it difficult to get an accurate assessment of the real death toll. This is why excess deaths should be used - and yes, they confirm the official counts are universally undercounts.
     
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  8. PhitePhan Brown Belt

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    There's really not much to discuss regarding the OP. The article title is hyperbolic, and from what I can tell the coroner acted within professional ethics and practices and DID NOT make changes to tallying deaths, whereas the implication is that others have (which would INFLATE case counts).

    "In response to questions about its process of reporting COVID-19 deaths and coroners choosing to not include the virus on death certificates, the Missouri Department of Health said in a statement that “there has been substantial misinformation aimed at both understating and overstating the impacts of COVID nationally. As such, Missouri has chosen to remain consistent in our determination process, verify it against a national standards process by CDC’s [National Center for Health Statistics], and report consistently.”

    These lines of the article support the same:

    "The Macon County coroner omitted COVID-19 on at least a half-dozen death certificates in cases where another major factor — pneumonia in an elderly patient or “you know, grandma had one lung and smoked all her life,” for example — could be justified as the sole cause of death."

    “There are viruses out there that are so similar to COVID, like the flu, and unless you do a test to confirm, you just don’t know,” Chambers said. “If you can link it to a known case, maybe, but we’ve had people that were exposed but their tests turned up negative.””

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article253147128.html

    I would imagine this has ALWAYS been the process, where coroners are trying to make determinations related to such complex topics. Are these coroners supposed to just diagnosis Covid despite lack of evidence supporting the same? The article actually seems to suggest this is what is going on: “There are viruses out there that are so similar to COVID, like the flu, and unless you do a test to confirm, you just don’t know,”

    How many coroners "just don't know" if Covid was the cause of death, so they erred on the side that is most emphasized? Now add to that FEMA incentivizing Covid deaths (most doctors are compassionate and want to help the family), and we are guaranteed to have over-reporting of Covid deaths.
     
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  9. PhitePhan Brown Belt

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    Excess deaths is not a very good measure considering the way the world changed so dramatically during the same time frame. People losing livelihoods, housing, healthcare all make a difference, as do addiction rates going up, children being held out of school, isolation, treatment avoidance, etc.
     
  10. MoparOrNoCar Red Belt

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    Interesting info. Thanks.
     
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  11. djacobox372 Gold Belt

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    You're logic is irrational. Excess deaths is a very good clue--especially when they so far exceed what is being claimed by Covid deaths.

    In the US, there were 200,000 more "excess deaths' than reported covid deaths in 2020. So even if suicides and drug overdoses both TRIPLED (they didn't), that would still only account for the excess deaths not attributed to covid.
     
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  12. fedoriswar37 Black Belt

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    The answer probably lies somewhere between. I know some people are so invested in it being significantly higher or lower but I don't think that's reality
     
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