RTD vs TKO on a sportsbook KO/TKO/DQ on Bovada Donaire/Burnett

[YoungCashMoney]

I'm fucking pissed, I'm livid actually. I bet 300 on donairs by stoppage to win 3300 and they gave me a loss, this is bovada. I asked why, they said it was RTD, retired, and that it wasn't a ko/tko/dq. Fuck that, I want my money, any advice anybody?

I've never had this happen before with them and never had problems. A TKO and a RTD are considered the same thing. It was announced as a TKO. What the hell is this

It was announced as donaire by TKO. This is 3600 on the line here, but they didn't even push my bet. WTF



Any advice or help?

 

[Stormtrooper85]

An RTD is explained as the corner or the fighter stopping the fight in between rounds. A TKO would be from the Ref or Ring Doctor calling off the fight (obviously during both the active round and the rest period in between rounds)

 

[YoungCashMoney]

You're betting on: which fighter will win and whether they win it during the fight, or on points/decision.

• Win in rounds 1-12 by KO/TKO/DQ: When a boxer fails to beat the referee’s 10 count after a knockdown, or referee steps in to stop the fight. Any corner retirement will be classed as a TKO.

That's on Skybet

 

[GolovkinGOAT]

I'm fucking pissed, I'm livid actually. I bet 300 on donairs by stoppage to win 3300 and they gave me a loss, this is bovada. I asked why, they said it was RTD, retired, and that it wasn't a ko/tko/dq. Fuck that, I want my money, any advice anybody?

I've never had this happen before with them and never had problems. A TKO and a RTD are considered the same thing. It was announced as a TKO. What the hell is this

It was announced as donaire by TKO. This is 3600 on the line here, but they didn't even push my bet. WTF



Any advice or help?

Technically it is an RTD. Some announcers aren’t consistent, but all RTD’s are ideally TKO. Technical “stoppage” in the case that the corner CHOSE not to continue. For example a CUT where the corner chooses not to continue is the same as a ref saying he’s going to “stop it.”

That’s the main difference from a KO. There are technical reasons aside from a KO why a fight is stopped. Loma beating Rigo is a TKO as well. It is confusing. RTD is technically a corner ruling, non bell action

 

[YoungCashMoney]

I won on Loma a few times in a row by stoppage when they were stopped in the corner.. this is ridiculous

 

[null]

That's nonsense- retired is the same thing as a TKO and it was announced as a TKO. They are splitting hairs here. Every other book would grade that as a win unless they had a full list of specific props that included KO separate from TKO separate from DQ and separate from retired as you sometimes see on big fights. This is pretty disturbing because I use Bovada too and bet on boxing quite a bit. Luckily I had Donaire ML at +654 today.

 

[GolovkinGOAT]

That's nonsense- retired is the same thing as a TKO and it was announced as a TKO. They are splitting hairs here. Every other book would grade that as a win unless they had a full list of specific props that included KO separate from TKO separate from DQ and separate from retired as you sometimes see on big fights. This is pretty disturbing because I use Bovada too and bet on boxing quite a bit. Luckily I had Donaire ML at +654 today.

I thought when a ring doctor overrules the corner and the Ref stops it that’s not in control of the team. That’s when it’s an indefinite TKO. When the ref asks do you want me to stop it even though doctor still oks the bout, and the team acknowledges it, it’s a “technical” RTD that the ref was told to do. In theory I thought only a ref can call any stoppage. RTD is there for a reason.

But I hope the poster gets his money back. If other sites honor an RTD as a TKO then hopefully that’s good enough.

 

[YoungCashMoney]

I don't just want my money back, I want my thousands straight up

 

[YoungCashMoney]

If u bet on pacman by ko/tko/dq and he beat broner up and broner said in the corner "I can't continue, im done", would u want ur money?

There is no RTD bet prop

 

[BluntTrauma21]

Bovada sucks, change your main book. Also, yeah you got screwed. If there was no other option for rtd to be chosen as a means of victory then there's no way anyone could possibly win under those circumstances.

I say contact them again and reiterate that rtd is a tko and was officially announced as such. Even getting them to throw you freeplay and/or pushing your original stakes is better than the shit sandwich of a deal you're getting now.

The only way they can technically get you that I can see is if you had another option that you passed over and that option included a "rtd" bet which would be stupid. Sorry you got screwed bruh, this sucks.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

When I put money on Tim Bradley to win vs Pacquiao on Bovada, my bet suddenly never existed after the fight.

 

[YoungCashMoney]

Thank god it got overturned. The site crashed from people bothering them over this bet, they sent an apology and I got my money.

Should have never been a damn issue to begin, I'm so thankful I got my money at the end of the day. Bovada has always been legit to me before this, but damn that ruined my mood for the day when I got on the phone with them. I couldn't believe their arguments, ridiculous honestly. Can you even take legal action over an international betting website like that if that was necessary?

Like this aint 20 bucks, we was talking thousands for me, and I'm a small fish in the game, I'm sure some people bet 10k to win 100k and 100k to win 1mil type stuff.

 

[null]

Thank god it got overturned. The site crashed from people bothering them over this bet, they sent an apology and I got my money.

Should have never been a damn issue to begin, I'm so thankful I got my money at the end of the day. Bovada has always been legit to me before this, but damn that ruined my mood for the day when I got on the phone with them. I couldn't believe their arguments, ridiculous honestly. Can you even take legal action over an international betting website like that if that was necessary?

Like this aint 20 bucks, we was talking thousands for me, and I'm a small fish in the game, I'm sure some people bet 10k to win 100k and 100k to win 1mil type stuff.

Glad to hear it, congrats on the win. Join us in the boxing thread in the MMA betting sub-forum here on Sherdog if you like. There are a group of us regulars who bet every week.

 

[YoungCashMoney]

Glad to hear it, congrats on the win. Join us in the boxing thread in the MMA betting sub-forum here on Sherdog if you like. There are a group of us regulars who bet every week.

I most definitely will, my just rarely bet is the thing, I wait for when the odds don't make sense which is once every 2 months or so to be honest, or for a big fight I'll throw some parlays for shits & giggles.

The best bet I've seen in recent times in terms of odds was David Lemieux by KO/TKO/DQ over Gary O'Sullivan at +125, ridiculous and by far the best bet on the ggg/canelo card, hit that for a real good amount.

Greatest bet I've ever seen in my life that I literally bet every dollar to the penny I had on was Mayweather by TKO (exact method of victory) over Conor McGregor at +300 , absolutely crazy I literally was drunk when I was off from my surgery rambling to everyone if u want to change ur life bet the house on that bet, and I know I sound crazy but when it happens u gonna think of me. Whole household & all my friends became hood rich that day lmao, in total we made over 25k on that one

 

[dembones22]

I'm fucking pissed, I'm livid actually. I bet 300 on donairs by stoppage to win 3300 and they gave me a loss, this is bovada. I asked why, they said it was RTD, retired, and that it wasn't a ko/tko/dq. Fuck that, I want my money, any advice anybody?

I've never had this happen before with them and never had problems. A TKO and a RTD are considered the same thing. It was announced as a TKO. What the hell is this

It was announced as donaire by TKO. This is 3600 on the line here, but they didn't even push my bet. WTF



Any advice or help?

Thanks for the spoiler alert, Dickhead!! I haven't even watched that boxing match yet.

 

[jm0b]

If you can find all, or say like 5-10, of the other betting sites giving the okay on this for payout you could argue they should pay out as their definition is erroneous or out of date.

If you know any solicitors get them to write up a letter of action. The threat should make the $3k seem an easy get out to their legal team.

 

[CatchnShoot]

They were just looking for a way out of a huge payout.

(Not you specifically, but ALL the bets on Donaire by stoppage at stupid odds).

No issues on 5dimes, but their prop was phrased something like Donair wins inside the distance vs not inside the distance, so the language is much more inclusive.


If Bovada REALLY wanted to be cunts they could have stuck with that argument, but it is a VERY bad look for a bookie. I would never bet with them again, it's not like they are the only game in town. Fortunately they saw reason in the end.

 

[YoungCashMoney]

They were just looking for a way out of a huge payout.

(Not you specifically, but ALL the bets on Donaire by stoppage at stupid odds).

No issues on 5dimes, but their prop was phrased something like Donair wins inside the distance vs not inside the distance, so the language is much more inclusive.


If Bovada REALLY wanted to be cunts they could have stuck with that argument, but it is a VERY bad look for a bookie. I would never bet with them again, it's not like they are the only game in town. Fortunately they saw reason in the end.

Yep I already know 3k is nothing to them, I'm a small fish, its the big fish that realized the stupidity of a known one punch knockout artist moving down 2 weight classes and a future hall of famer as +1100 to win ITD (or as bovada calls it, ko/tko/dq) that bet 100k to win 1 million or 10k to win 100k they were worried about. Half the Philippines probably called in complaining about where they riches at cause they bet on donaire pretty much every fight based off loyalty

Have you tried both, and is 5dimes superior from your experience? I've had no issues with bovada in the past and I basically steal money from them with boxing bets, this was the first time they tried to argue with me when I called and flat out refused to pay out. Saying shit like "You bet on KO/TKO/DQ , it was an RTD because the fighter retired, so therefore that is a loss. We are sorry sir." I was about to lose my mind I was like wtf u talking about that is literally a version of TKO it is like calling a Technical Unanimous Decision not a unanimous decision win. Like please tell me how do I bet on RTD with this site, so how do I make my money there, where was that option?






I actually remembered a bit later I had an ace up my sleeve tho that was going to handle this regardless. I emailed in and had to ask because I needed to be sure because I bet everything I had on it (Mayweather tko mcgregor +300), I needed to confirm exactly what was a TKO. In the email the guy confirmed that a TKO is any time the fight is stopped without a 10 count. I thought there was a good chance mcgregor would quit in the corner on an injury or something, so I specifically asked, if he quits in the corner, is it ruled a TKO? He replied yes that would be considered a TKO and you would win your money. That was all I needed to hear to go bet, and refutes the bullshit argument they were tryna play with me over the phone.

 

[JayPro81]

I most definitely will, my just rarely bet is the thing, I wait for when the odds don't make sense which is once every 2 months or so to be honest, or for a big fight I'll throw some parlays for shits & giggles.

The best bet I've seen in recent times in terms of odds was David Lemieux by KO/TKO/DQ over Gary O'Sullivan at +125, ridiculous and by far the best bet on the ggg/canelo card, hit that for a real good amount.

Greatest bet I've ever seen in my life that I literally bet every dollar to the penny I had on was Mayweather by TKO (exact method of victory) over Conor McGregor at +300 , absolutely crazy I literally was drunk when I was off from my surgery rambling to everyone if u want to change ur life bet the house on that bet, and I know I sound crazy but when it happens u gonna think of me. Whole household & all my friends became hood rich that day lmao, in total we made over 25k on that one

You got lucky on that Mayweather bet...that stupid ass ref was supposed to let Floyd knock McGregor ass out

 

[tangata motu'a]

First of all, was rtd an option? If there was no way for you to win the bet, then at the very least it is a push. A few years ago, i had a bet on Aussie Rules footbal. I picked a side, and it ended up a tie. They scored it a loss, bit they can't do that because there was no option to pick a "tie." You can't have a bet where there was no option for the player that would have won.

I got help from sportsbookreview.com. They are pretty much the ones who help players who got screwed

oops, didnt realize this was old