International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V11
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There are new generation that Poland now slated to receive as well as US Army. "system-agnostic program known as IBCS, or Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System" significant upgrade from pac-3. Poland seems to be putting up a good case to receive these things given the recent events in Ukraine. Poland I think has based 8 F-22 raptors in addition to a number of F-35's. I should have said some more advanced then what Ukraine received US cannot send over their most advance systems due to the priority nature of their operation. Don't want them falling into the wrong hands.
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The F-22 will never go to any country's military except the US. They have also stopped manufacturing the F-22. The jet was so effective that it made itself obsolete with no one able to produce anything that can compete with it. Moving to long range engagement has been the goal with the F-35.
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Yea the NGF program is pretty insane. The biggest draw back from the F-22 was it wasn't designed for future upgrades in technology. The new program is designed to be able to quickly turn out new designs incredibly fast. The US airforce is on a path to dominate any future war, more so than it already would.
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Speaking of Jets and potential F-16 for Ukraine, apparently the wear and tear on your neck while piloting that one is much more brutal than in more modern jets.
There was an Italian study in 2015, 35 F-16 vs 35 Typhoon pilots (age-matched) and 48.6% of the F-16 Pilots reported problems with chronic neck pain, while only 5.7% of the Typhoon pilots reported the same. Apparently it has to do with the backward reclined seats that expose your neck to the load a lot more than those of the Typhoon. Pilots over 30 and/or with lots of flight hours in the F-16 nearly always seem to get neck problems.
There was an Italian study in 2015, 35 F-16 vs 35 Typhoon pilots (age-matched) and 48.6% of the F-16 Pilots reported problems with chronic neck pain, while only 5.7% of the Typhoon pilots reported the same. Apparently it has to do with the backward reclined seats that expose your neck to the load a lot more than those of the Typhoon. Pilots over 30 and/or with lots of flight hours in the F-16 nearly always seem to get neck problems.
Israel openly had admitted that they have 10 batteries installed...it isn't clear about number of launchers in 1 single battery...they might be 3, 4 , 5 launchers in one and it is classified info.
U.S is interested about this system and more than this: their interceptors are cheaper than the same IRIS-T missile per 1 piece.
Each launcher does have 20 missiles....
The most expensive stuff in Iron Dome is radar .....
Looks that Israel's lawmakers will approwe financing for 5 additional Iron Dome batteries.....
Iron Dome mainly is designed to defend against mortar shells, 122 mm Grad missiles, drones and airplanes/ helicopters....
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Since requirements were that it should detect also small mortar rounds, radar is really very expensive stuff, some hybrid between counter battery radar used in artillery and air defense system radar...
There ofc no one warrants 100% success but if you have 20 missiles in each launcher and ability rapidly fire them all in row then chances are significantly higher.....
Btw most common missile attack method used by HAMAS is this:
1 tube.... like these from Grad MRLS launcher... small group with males, 1 Grad 122 mm missile inserted in tube and vuala, launch.
Depending from missiles model they does have range 15000-42000 meters ( metric unit ).
Cheap, unguided, jammers doesn't work on them cos they are " dumb " missiles... such missiles does have flight speed 600-700 m/s ....
1 tube.... like these from Grad MRLS launcher... small group with males, 1 Grad 122 mm missile inserted in tube and vuala, launch.
Depending from missiles model they does have range 15000-42000 meters ( metric unit ).
Cheap, unguided, jammers doesn't work on them cos they are " dumb " missiles... such missiles does have flight speed 600-700 m/s ....
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Lmao that's great
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The F-15 is going to get a stealth upgrade. An American fighter jet from the 1970's is going to be more stealthy than the russian made SU-57.
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I guess blowing through 120 million dollars worth of missiles almost worked:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine
US officials say damage to Patriot missile defense system was minimal following Russian attack near Kyiv
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The damage to a Patriot air defense system following a Russian missile attack near Kyiv on Tuesday morning is minimal, three US officials tell CNN, with one official describing it as “minor” damage.
The US sent inspectors to examine the system on Tuesday after being told by Ukrainian forces that the system appeared to have been damaged, one official said.
The system itself is still operational, the officials said, and the radar component of the Patriot, one of its most important elements, was not damaged. US officials do not believe the Patriot will need to be removed from the battlefield for repairs.
A complete Patriot battery has six major components: generators, a radar set, a control station, antennas, a launcher station and interceptor missiles. The components operate together to fire a Patriot missile and successfully guide it to its target.
How Ukraine turned the tables on Russia's aerial assault with these Western weapons
It is not clear what part of the Patriot was damaged or if it was damaged by an actual missile strike or falling debris. The Ukrainians said they successfully intercepted all six Russian Kinzhal missiles on Tuesday morning.
Yurii Ihnat, spokesman for Ukraine’s Air Force Command, has told Ukrainian TV that the US-made Patriot system could not be destroyed by a Kinzhal missile.
“Do not worry about the fate of the Patriot. From a technical point of view, Patriot is a … system,” he said, noting that it consisted of components that can be located at a distance from one another.
On Tuesday, a US official said the Patriot system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time.
Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday in a post on Telegram that “a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system.”
Ukrainian officials said on Tuesday that they successfully intercepted all six hypersonic missiles fired by the Russians, but the Ukrainian military declined to comment on the Russians’ claim that a Patriot system was hit. “We cannot comment on this. We’ll stay out of commenting on Russian sources,” Ihnat said.
Ukraine currently has two Patriot air defense systems in country, one donated by the US and the other donated jointly by Germany and the Netherlands. It is unclear which of those systems was damaged, but taking one out of commission – even for a short period – would affect Ukraine’s ability to defend Kyiv amid intensifying Russian missile attacks.
Russia has targeted the Patriot systems with hypersonic missiles before, US officials told CNN last week, including once on May 4. That attack failed, and Ukrainians successfully intercepted the missile before it could hit the Patriot, the officials said.
After extensive lobbying by the Ukrainians to provide them with the sophisticated air defense system, the US spent 10 weeks training Ukrainian troops on how to maintain and operate it. US and western officials were pleasantly surprised by how quickly the Ukrainians learned how to operate the Patriots, which arrived in Ukraine last month.
The Patriot has a powerful radar to detect incoming targets at long range, making it a potent air defense platform capable of intercepting ballistic missiles and more. But the radar emission necessary to spot threats at a distance also makes it possible for the enemy to detect the Patriot battery and figure out its location.
US officials believe the Russian military has been able to pick up on signals that are emitted from the Patriot, allowing them to target the system using the hypersonic missile, known as the Kinzhal or Killjoy. And unlike some shorter-range air defenses provided to Ukraine that are mobile and harder to target, the large Patriot battery is a larger and more stationary system, making it possible for the Russian forces to zero in on the location over time.
Russia has been expending more munitions than usual in an attempt to overwhelm and confuse Ukrainian air defenses, according to a US official familiar with the matter. Russia has launched the larger aerial attacks from several directions at once, the official said, targeting command and control centers in Kyiv and other high-value locations, as well as the Patriot missile systems that provide Ukraine with a long-range air defense option.
Russia may have begun the expanded attacks in an attempt to force Ukraine to delay its highly-anticipated counter-offensive, the official said. But Ukraine has been able to withstand the attacks, intercepting a high percentage of the incoming missiles and drones with the layered air defenses provided by Western nations.
The expanded attacks may even work to Ukraine’s advantage, the official said, as Russia dips deeper into its limited supply of precision munitions.
On Tuesday, Russia unleashed its barrage with hypersonic Kinzhal missiles launched from fighter jets, Kalibr cruise missiles fired from the Black Sea, and land-based Iskander missiles, the head of Ukraine’s military said. The attack came from the north, south, and east
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(CNN) -- Despite the ongoing invasion of Ukraine by Russia and the restrictions put on Russian athletes and teams in some other sports, fighters from the country remain free to compete in UFC. Some critics have suggested Russian UFC fighters in general should be suspended, like has happened in some other sports, for the country’s involvement in the invasion of Ukraine.
UFC fighters Kamaru Usman, Justin Gaethje and Henry Cejudo are the trio in a video posted online by the notorious Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov in November last year, celebrating their visit to his compound in Russia to see “how real men and defenders of the Fatherland learn to fight.”
Kadyrov’s last in-person attendance at a UFC event was for UFC 242 in 2019 in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/sport/ufc-chechnya-ramzan-kadyrov-russia-spt-intl/index.html
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UFC fighters Kamaru Usman, Justin Gaethje and Henry Cejudo are the trio in a video posted online by the notorious Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov in November last year, celebrating their visit to his compound in Russia to see “how real men and defenders of the Fatherland learn to fight.”
Kadyrov’s last in-person attendance at a UFC event was for UFC 242 in 2019 in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/sport/ufc-chechnya-ramzan-kadyrov-russia-spt-intl/index.html
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Hilarious that guys with 10 weeks of training are stopping Russia's "unstoppable/invincible" missiles.
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Pretty sure that the 7 people that watch CNN are not UFC fans(CNN) -- Despite the ongoing invasion of Ukraine by Russia and the restrictions put on Russian athletes and teams in some other sports, fighters from the country remain free to compete in UFC. Some critics have suggested Russian UFC fighters in general should be suspended, like has happened in some other sports, for the country’s involvement in the invasion of Ukraine.
UFC fighters Kamaru Usman, Justin Gaethje and Henry Cejudo are the trio in a video posted online by the notorious Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov in November last year, celebrating their visit to his compound in Russia to see “how real men and defenders of the Fatherland learn to fight.”
Kadyrov’s last in-person attendance at a UFC event was for UFC 242 in 2019 in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/sport/ufc-chechnya-ramzan-kadyrov-russia-spt-intl/index.html
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The invasion is lame AF, but mma is an individual sport not state sponsored.
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