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The legislation comes a year after a deadly Nashville shooting.

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Protesters chanted “Blood on your hands” at Tennessee House Republicans on Tuesday after they passed a bill that would allow some teachers and staff to carry concealed handguns on public school grounds, and bar parents and other teachers from knowing who was armed.

The 68-28 vote in favor of the bill sent it to Republican Gov. Bill Lee for consideration. If he signs it into law, it would be the biggest expansion of gun access in the state since last year’s deadly shooting at a private elementary school in Nashville.


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Emmie Wolf-Dubin, center, yells during a protest outside the House chamber after legislation passed that would let some teachers be armed in schools during a legislative session April 23, 2024, in Nashville. | George Walker IV/AP

Members of the public who oppose the bill harangued Republican lawmakers after the vote, leading House Speaker Cameron Sexton to order the galleries cleared.

Four House Republicans and all Democrats opposed the bill, which the state Senate previously passed. The measure would bar disclosing which employees are carrying guns beyond school administrators and police, including to students’ parents and even other teachers. A principal, school district and law enforcement agency would have to agree to let staff carry guns.
The proposal presents a starkly different response to The Covenant School shooting than Lee proposed last year. Republican legislators quickly cast aside his push to keep guns away from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.

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A veto by Lee appears unlikely, since it would be a first for him and lawmakers would only need a simple majority of each chamber’s members to override it.

“What you’re doing is you’re creating a deterrent,” the bill’s sponsor, Republican state Rep. Ryan Williams, said before the vote. “Across our state, we have had challenges as it relates to shootings.”

Republicans rejected a series of Democratic amendments, including parental consent requirements, notification when someone is armed, and the school district assuming civil liability for any injury, damage or death due to staff carrying guns.

“My Republican colleagues continue to hold our state hostage, hold our state at gunpoint to appeal to their donors in the gun industry,” Democratic state Rep. Justin Jones said. “It is morally insane.”

In the chaos after the vote, Democratic and Republican lawmakers accused each other of violating House rules, but only voted to reprimand Jones for recording on his phone. He was barred from speaking on the floor through Wednesday.

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It’s unclear if any school districts would take advantage if the bill becomes law. For example, a Metro Nashville Public Schools spokesperson, Sean Braisted, said the district believes “it is best and safest for only approved active-duty law enforcement to carry weapons on campus.”

About half of the U.S. states in some form allow teachers or other employees with concealed carry permits to carry guns on school property, according to the Giffords Law Center, a gun control advocacy group. Iowa’s governor signed a bill that the Legislature passed last week creating a professional permit for trained school employees to carry at schools that protects them from criminal or civil liability for use of reasonable force.

In Tennessee, a shooter indiscriminately opened fire in March 2023 at The Covenant School — a Christian school in Nashville — and killed three children and three adults before being killed by police.

Despite subsequent coordinated campaigns urging significant gun control measures, lawmakers have largely refused. They dismissed gun control proposals by Democrats and even by Lee during regular annual sessions and a special session, even as parents of Covenant students shared accounts of the shooting and its lasting effects.

Under the bill passed Tuesday, a worker who wants to carry a handgun would need to have a handgun carry permit and written authorization from the school’s principal and local law enforcement. They would also need to clear a background check and undergo 40 hours of handgun training. They couldn’t carry guns at school events at stadiums, gymnasiums or auditoriums.

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Tennessee passed a 2016 law allowing armed school workers in two rural counties, but it wasn’t implemented, according to WPLN-FM.

Tennessee Republicans have regularly loosened gun laws, including a 2021 permit-less carry law for handguns backed by Lee.

The original law allowed residents 21 and older to carry handguns in public without a permit. Two years later, Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti struck a deal amid an ongoing lawsuit to extend eligibility to 18- to 20-year-olds.

Meanwhile, shortly after the shooting last year, Tennessee Republicans passed a law bolstering protections against lawsuits involving gun and ammunition dealers, manufacturers and sellers. Lawmakers and the governor this year have signed off on allowing private schools with pre-kindergarten classes to have guns on campus. Private schools without pre-K already were allowed to decide whether to let people bring guns on their grounds.
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They have advanced some narrow gun limitations. One awaiting the governor’s signature would involuntarily commit certain criminal defendants for inpatient treatment and temporarily remove their gun rights if they are ruled incompetent for trial due to intellectual disability or mental illness. Another bill that still needs Senate approval would remove the gun rights of juveniles deemed delinquent due to certain offenses, ranging from aggravated assault to threats of mass violence, until the age of 25.
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it's getting hard to follow all the spin off Columbines in the US. Did they ever go into detail and try understand their motivations or do we just assume they're just mentally unhinged. It's so fucking common in the USA there has to be more to it than just mental illness. It is strange because this reaction is like a response to domestic warfare
 
So do the schools have to pay for and supply the guns, for the safety of their employees?
 
Surely a teacher would never shoot the students. It's a profession with almost no abuse!

This is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" argument. Right wingers will use it to say we dont trust teachers and will immediately go to homosexuality or teachers who "teach trans."

The distinction must be made about factoring in the stress levels and pressures that already exists being a teacher, and now legally suggesting they need to get into gunfights inside schools. Getting into gunfights in schools is so stressful we've seen trained Law Enforcement actively refuse to do it.
 
There's just no way this could ever go wrong.


Do we have an epidemic of teachers coming to school and shooting their students ?

I have zero problems with this. Our children should be protected from those who would do them harm.

Train . Put it in a holster and under your shirt. It's attached to you all day and out of sight unless something happens . Where's the problem ? And for whatever potential problem you think you can come up with .....is it worse than ulvalde or columbine?

So many people I know carry and I'm around guns constantly....and nothing ever happens. I really don't see the issue with this at all.
 
Do we have an epidemic of teachers coming to school and shooting their students ?

I have zero problems with this. Our children should be protected from those who would do them harm.

Train . Put it in a holster and under your shirt. It's attached to you all day and out of sight unless something happens . Where's the problem ? And for whatever potential problem you think you can come up with .....is it worse than ulvalde or columbine?

So many people I know carry and I'm around guns constantly....and nothing ever happens. I really don't see the issue with this at all.

We don't yet.

I have a huge problem with militarized schools, especially considering the political landscape going on with people trying to get control of school boards due to their political biases. I generally dont like the idea of armed agents of the State between myself and my kids.

There isnt just danger of the person carrying themselves doing something bad, there's a fundamental problem with the "good guys with guns" argument because in multiple school shootings where armed present officers did nothing. But we default to that adding more guns is the answer. We already had an incident in one State of a kid finding a random gun in a bathroom. Lol
 
So do the schools have to pay for and supply the guns, for the safety of their employees?

Dude they dont even supply actual school supplies and we cap how much of their personal money spent on supplies teachers can write off on their taxes.
 
Every single teacher friend I talked to was against this, even years ago post Sandy Hook.

There are so many hurdles to this. Are the teacher carrying on their person? Is the gun being stored in a safe? What training do they have to take, how often r do they qualify? How does Law Enforcement responding to the scene know who is or isn’t supposed to be armed?
 
Much depends on the details. The training, how the weapon will be secured as well as in what circumstances they will use it.

Without this information it's just a bunch of liberals screaming "all guns are bad".

It may be a bad bill or not depends on the details.
 
Dude they dont even supply actual school supplies and we cap how much of their personal money spent on supplies teachers can write off on their taxes.
Supplies? Who cares about supplies in schools. This is America and our school system is on the verge of having set contracts with gun suppliers to equip entire school districts.

Can you imagine teachers clocking into work and going to their locker in the staffing room and equipping themselves with a modified Glock, decked out in school colors.

I could totally see school districts reorganizing school funding for that…

Pfff school supplies ha!
 
When the kids are getting rowdy and not listening, bust a cap in that ass!
One thing is for sure,
That kid who recently slapped that teacher in the face twice.

That boy would not be going home.

Scary
 
The only concern I would have, is the same one a prison has when a gun is involved. What if a teacher who really isn't equipped to handle guns, gets overpowered by the students and has the gun taken from them? It introduces a lot of potential problems that would not have arisen without the guns in schools.

You're gonna need more than some training at the range for this to work. You're gonna need psyche evaluations to make sure the people handling the guns and responsibility can actually handle it. It's a little more complicated than giving old Mrs. Parker in Home Ec a gun and calling it a day. You're pretty much gonna have to send them to a Police Academy.
 
We don't yet.

I have a huge problem with militarized schools, especially considering the political landscape going on with people trying to get control of school boards due to their political biases. I generally dont like the idea of armed agents of the State between myself and my kids.

There isnt just danger of the person carrying themselves doing something bad, there's a fundamental problem with the "good guys with guns" argument because in multiple school shootings where armed present officers did nothing. But we default to that adding more guns is the answer. We already had an incident in one State of a kid finding a random gun in a bathroom. Lol


There is no perfect. But meanwhile school shootings happen and the kids are barely protected.

I don't have a problem with "militarized " schools I guess because my line of thought is the more people who can stop a school shooter the better. Cower hide and pray the cops get to you in time seems the worst option ever in my opinion.

I'm not interested in the politics of the teacher with a gun , just that they have it and are proficient with it. I don't understand why the politics of the school board matters. Those armed agents of the state aren't between you and your kids they are trying to protect them in theory and that seems an odd thing to say imo.
 
The only concern I would have, is the same one a prison has when a gun is involved. What if a teacher who really isn't equipped to handle guns, gets overpowered by the students and has the gun taken from them? It introduces a lot of potential problems that would not have arisen without the guns in schools.

You're gonna need more than some training at the range for this to work. You're gonna need psyche evaluations to make sure the people handling the guns and responsibility can actually handle it. It's a little more complicated than giving old Mrs. Parker in Home Ec a gun and calling it a day. You're pretty much gonna have to send them to a Police Academy.

The fact that this needs to be factored in is a huge red flag it should NOT be done. Order in schools is predicated on an existing power dynamic, and I consider myself generally anti-aithoritarian, but kids dont just go buck wild in schools because there is a structure by which is can mess up their entire lives. Now we're talking about introducing guns, a thing with which of the students get a hold of it, commands absolute power in their minds. I feel much better about school shooters who are minors themselves having to go through multiple steps to get a gun to the school by first finding access outside the school, then getting it there without being told on and eventually caught. Now we are putting the gun right in the classroom.

When I went through my "bad kid" phase you can bet your @ss if I knew a teacher had a gun I'd be conspiring to steal it, perhaps not overpower them physically (and I didnt roll with any gangbangers), but I knew kids who might have.
 
There is no perfect. But meanwhile school shootings happen and the kids are barely protected.

I don't have a problem with "militarized " schools I guess because my line of thought is the more people who can stop a school shooter the better. Cower hide and pray the cops get to you in time seems the worst option ever in my opinion.

I'm not interested in the politics of the teacher with a gun , just that they have it and are proficient with it. I don't understand why the politics of the school board matters. Those armed agents of the state aren't between you and your kids they are trying to protect them in theory and that seems an odd thing to say imo.

Escape and hiding has a much much higher survivability rate in the case of active shooters than engagement does. A gunfight inside a classroom is GOING to have casualties from friendly fire. It's a statistical certainty.
 
This is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" argument. Right wingers will use it to say we dont trust teachers and will immediately go to homosexuality or teachers who "teach trans."

The distinction must be made about factoring in the stress levels and pressures that already exists being a teacher, and now legally suggesting they need to get into gunfights inside schools. Getting into gunfights in schools is so stressful we've seen trained Law Enforcement actively refuse to do it.

You think the teachers pushing trans ideologies are going to be the ones exercising their right to carry?

Really?
 
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