Crime Train robberies common now.

cottagecheesefan said:
Train derails because theives leave so much trash.



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I love how suddenly nothing is the problem of the massive freight companies and government exists to service all their needs. If this was such a threat to their cargo surely they'd clear their own tracks right?
If a store gets looted are cops supposed to pickup all the trash or is that the job of the store and their insurance?
Three cheers for the personal responsibility crowd's selective reasoning!
 
brackis1 said:
I love how suddenly nothing is the problem of the massive freight companies and government exists to service all their needs. If this was such a threat to their cargo surely they'd clear their own tracks right?
If a store gets looted are cops supposed to pickup all the trash or is that the job of the store and their insurance?
Three cheers for the personal responsibility crowd's selective reasoning!
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It's not as simple as that
 
scorpiorising said:
It's not as simple as that
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Definitely not.
But the whole sudden outrage is predicated on one camera-worthy incident or location where some containers loaded with lots of boxes got ripped up. It's not a ton of stuff and dollar value-wise maybe worth a nice luxury car's worth of damage. Do we have a national outrage everytime a douchebag crashes their car into a transformer and cuts out power to part of a town for a night? Maybe negates a few concerts and local POS systems to process bar tabs and causes $700,000 in lost sales for a town?

these things happen all the time and nobody gives them national coverage, but the lusty ragebaiters love a salacious piece of scandal so it gets run and the sky is falling lol.
It is definitely whack if all people in the case are getting out bail free, but people getting wildly worked up and shocked that some dumb poors mixed with ringleader local crime syndicates go after vulnerable targets for petty theft of any kind when push comes to shove in an unhealthy society, magnified in all ways by inflation and supplychain hurdles like full staffing and full route-traffic to prevent specific cargo from sitting in a train yard or outside it.

It would be like if there were unguarded cargo ships sitting outside ports but right on and a bunch of people had their own boats or getaway cars, theyd sure as hell get looted too. Inflationary hypercapitalism breeds a desire and a price index for financial stability that cultivates reckless ambition that includes smash and grab exploits of all varieties, especially when a retail economy relies so heavily on marked up import products or at least things sourced nonlocally in the USA.
 
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Definitely looks very third world.

Once upon a time, we had one of the best railway networks in the world - but out-of-hand crime and vandalism wrecked that shit fast (though, even here it wasn't quite as blatant and in-your-face as this). As I recall, California's planning to electrify their trains - well, if you don't have crime and poverty under control, one outcome of electrification is to be giving your railways an additional vulnerability. Cable theft was what put the nail in the coffin of South African railways as a world-class operation.
Not saying the same is going to happen there, necessarily, but things like this should not be glossed over or brushed under the carpet. Rail is very, very important.
 
It's mad that trains aren't really 'a thing' in America, given the size of the place. For passengers, I mean.
 
brackis1 said:
Definitely not.
But the whole sudden outrage is predicated on one camera-worthy incident or location where some containers loaded with lots of boxes got ripped up. It's not a ton of stuff and dollar value-wise maybe worth a nice luxury car's worth of damage. Do we have a national outrage everytime a douchebag crashes their car into a transformer and cuts out power to part of a town for a night? Maybe negates a few concerts and local POS systems to process bar tabs and causes $700,000 in lost sales for a town?

these things happen all the time and nobody gives them national coverage, but the lusty ragebaiters love a salacious piece of scandal so it gets run and the sky is falling lol.
It is definitely whack if all people in the case are getting out bail free, but people getting wildly worked up and shocked that some dumb poors mixed with ringleader local crime syndicates go after vulnerable targets for petty theft of any kind when push comes to shove in an unhealthy society, magnified in all ways by inflation and supplychain hurdles like full staffing and full route-traffic to prevent specific cargo from sitting in a train yard or outside it.

It would be like if there were unguarded cargo ships sitting outside ports but right on and a bunch of people had their own boats or getaway cars, theyd sure as hell get looted too. Inflationary hypercapitalism breeds a desire and a price index for financial stability that cultivates reckless ambition that includes smash and grab exploits of all varieties, especially when a retail economy relies so heavily on marked up import products or at least things sourced nonlocally in the USA.
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I'm a locomotive engineer. It is not the same as driving a car into a poll at all. I'm not even getting into tho
 
scorpiorising said:
I'm a locomotive engineer. It is not the same as driving a car into a poll at all. I'm not even getting into tho
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Ahh yes all the super secret wisdom is too powerful for us clearly. WTF is "driving a car into a poll"???
 
It's called job creating... Of course the mostly peacefully teenagers won't be getting jobs but there are openings for hundreds of police/security officers... Oh wait, they aren't allowed to do anything? Nevermind... Let's go Brandon!
 
Criminals and easy theft targets. A combination as old as time.

I'm no logistics expert but why are the locks so easy to break? Is it one of things where the criminals will always be ahead of the security? Is there a cost element? Or is it like shrinkage in retail where the companies account for a certain amount of theft in their accounting and this has only become a problem because the numbers exceeded estimates?
 
ocfightfan said:
Amazon packages on freight trains?
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That was my thought too. No way Amazon is shipping packages by train is there? Maybe large shipments to warehouses are going on train but no way just packages right?
 
panamaican said:
Criminals and easy theft targets. A combination as old as time.

I'm no logistics expert but why are the locks so easy to break? Is it one of things where the criminals will always be ahead of the security? Is there a cost element? Or is it like shrinkage in retail where the companies account for a certain amount of theft in their accounting and this has only become a problem because the numbers exceeded estimates?
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The issue is obviously a lack of deterrence if this was not common place before people found out it pays to be a criminal
 
Train robberies? C'mon now. Is the thread title I would have chosen.
 
panamaican said:
Criminals and easy theft targets. A combination as old as time.

I'm no logistics expert but why are the locks so easy to break? Is it one of things where the criminals will always be ahead of the security? Is there a cost element? Or is it like shrinkage in retail where the companies account for a certain amount of theft in their accounting and this has only become a problem because the numbers exceeded estimates?
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The company I work for receives containers from Taiwan and Vietnam. The containers come with simple forged metal loops through the door handle lock holes. When the container arrives at our location we use bolt cutters to cut the metal loops off. It is very easy, takes a few seconds. I would imagine most containers have similar lock or even just basic padlocks.
 
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