Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Athleticism is usually defined by explosiveness. Sprinters are far more explosive than decathletes who are average in everything and the best in nothing.

Sure they rely on athleticism but not completely.

Once again, Olympic Games are a perfect example of how ahetles look the more you measure their athletic abilities.

There's much more to athleticism than explosiveness though. In fact, I'd argue that balance, overall coordination, and agility are the most important attributes. The reigning Olympic champion decathlete has been viewed historically as the most athletic man on the planet. That's been their unofficial title for decades. As you said they're good, or even really good, at everything but typically not great in any single event. They're generalists not specialists like sprinters are.

 

[MMALOPEZ]

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Nice

 

[JuanSmaqaho]

Francis hits harder than Fury and he's much more athletic.

That alone makes it an interesting fight.

The edge definitely goes to Tyson but the idea of it being a wash on paper is fucking dumb.

At neither point in their careers should either fighter be viewed as a squash match up.

More athletic? That's debatable. Francis is clearly more muscular. However Fury is faster and has much better cardio and movement.

 

[norsuu]

why the fight is not scheduled in boxrec??

 

[Yellowcrab]

There's much more to athleticism than explosiveness though. In fact, I'd argue that balance, overall coordination, and agility are the most important attributes.

It's usually correlated. Coordination and balance can be learned though, so it can be considered as skills as well.

The reigning Olympic champion decathlete has been viewed historically as the most athletic man on the planet. That's been their unofficial title for decades. As you said they're good, or even really good, at everything but typically not great in any single event. They're generalists not specialists like sprinters are.

Yeah unofficial like you said... many events that are not the best example of athleticism : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon#Format

Not to mention that nobody really cares about decathlon...

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

It's usually correlated. Coordination and balance can be learned though, so it can be considered as skills as well.



Yeah unofficial like you said... many events that are not the best example of athleticism : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon#Format

Not to mention that nobody really cares about decathlon...

They are correlated yes. Balance and coordination definitely are. We've seen explosive athletes have bad balance. Wilder's balance has always been noticeably bad. He's worked to improve it but if you go back and look at earlier fights of his it was even more obvious. Lennox Lewis had the same issue until Emanuel Steward worked with him to address it.

 

[spinup]

They are correlated yes. Balance and coordination definitely are. We've seen explosive athletes have bad balance. Wilder's balance has always been noticeably bad. He's worked to improve it but if you go back and look at earlier fights of his it was even more obvious. Lennox Lewis had the same issue until Emanuel Steward worked with him to address it.

Explosive strength is negatively correlated with motor control.
Basically, a muscle is controlled by a certain number of motor units that work as a power knob. If you have 10 motor units, you can set your strength level from 1 to 10 (max). If you have many (but smaller) units, you can control precisely the strength you apply, but it takes longer to reach the max. If you have fewer (but bigger) units, you can release your max strength faster, but your ability to control is lower.

 

[Athenry04]

21.99 in the UK for PPV.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

21.99 in the UK for PPV.

That's not terrible. It's actually 5 pounds cheaper than Fury's last fight against Chisora. Here in the US they want $80 for it. I could see this being one of the most pirated combat sports events of all time. The conditions are right for it.

 

[tastaylvr]

It's usually correlated. Coordination and balance can be learned though, so it can be considered as skills as well.

what???

Anything can be learned/trained. That's not the point. Everyone can learn to bench but not everyone can bench 4 plates. The same goes for coordination and balance. Hand eye coordination is mainly genetic as well. You can't train your way to being elite.

 

[MMALOPEZ]

 

[Yellowcrab]

Anything can be learned/trained. That's not the point.

Sure but there's no real skills by running fast outside of being in very good shape. I mean, you take a very fast NFL player, he would still reasonably run fast compared to sprinters.

Hand eye coordination is a bit different : you take a NFL player that never boxed, he would be embarrassed even by the most average boxer.

 

[MMALOPEZ]

 

[burningspear]

Meet in the middle of the ring <Lmaoo>

 

[MMALOPEZ]

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Fight week

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Less than a week till Ngannou shocks the world. You can watch it live on TNT Sports Box Office.

 

[MMALOPEZ]

 

[YourBoss]

Francis hits harder than Fury and he's much more athletic.

That alone makes it an interesting fight.

The edge definitely goes to Tyson but the idea of it being a wash on paper is fucking dumb.

At neither point in their careers should either fighter be viewed as a squash match up.

More athletic? Fury is bigger, faster, has more stamina, far more coordinated. In what way is ngannou more athletic? Perhabs bettet at weightlifting. Hits harder? Pretty sure that magical mma punching power will be put into a different perspective after this fight.

 

[ZOD66]

Better promo than anything UFC has ever put out

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