Why Couldn't Fedor Beat Bader?

[OLD RED]

No one looks at Hendersons career and calls him a HW

Certainly not in a fight he had to drink excess water to make 205lbs

No one looks at Fedors career like he's some Ngannou sized HW. You're just spinning it that way to makes his loss to Hendo look worse because you're a clown who's looking for attention.

The reality is Fedor wasn't bigger than guys like Wand and Shogun on fight night and they also got knocked out by Henderson and there's nothing embarrassing about that. Dan Henderson is one of the greatest fighters ever. Maybe top 10 all time and he was peaking at the time while Fedor lost 3 in a row.

This shit isn't that hard. You're just one of these internet losers who gets a kick out of being a chump- acting like losing to Hendo is embarrassing or getting knocked out 20 years into his career against Bader means something.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Sure, if they fought at those historic times with no weight limit, and if they beat HWs like Severn, Shamrock, Conan Silvera, Kimo Leopoldo, like they did, then they are legit HWs when we look at those historic times. And should be considered as good wins for HWs at those historic times, because they showed abillity to beat them. If you beat Royce Gracie in 1990s, that is a great HW win.

There was no minimum weight required, or anything. No weight limit at all, up or down. If you can beat good big HW fighters, you are a HW, no matter what you weight. You showed your fighting abillity. At the end of the day, it is a fight where abillity to beat the other guy counts, not a weight in contest where the bigger number on the scale automatically wins.

It was quite normal for 200lbs fighters to face off against much larger fighters, Frank Shamrock beat Bas and Kosaka and it wasn't long ago that Frank was gonna fill in on an Elite XC card to fight Kimbo, so many fighters that weighed less fought and beat HW's Renzo Gracie beat Maurice Smith there are many examples of this the point is holding a loss against someone because they took a loss against another fighter that weighed 20lbs less is ridiculous and silly.

 

[icemun]

Henderson was a 200lbs fighter for most of his career in early UFC and Pride it was only much later he started fighting at MW, when people on here start saying Fedor lost to MW it only shows that you have very limited knowledge of the history of NHB and only modern UFC.

Dan literally came the ring at a MW fight weight.
Many MW fight heavier than he did when he knocked Fedor out.

Plus he was 40

 

[icemun]

No one looks at Fedors career like he's some Ngannou sized HW. You're just spinning it that way to makes his loss to Hendo look worse because you're a clown who's looking for attention.

The reality is Fedor wasn't bigger than guys like Wand and Shogun on fight night and they also got knocked out by Henderson and there's nothing embarrassing about that. Dan Henderson is one of the greatest fighters ever. Maybe top 10 all time and he was peaking at the time while Fedor lost 3 in a row.

This shit isn't that hard. You're just one of these internet losers who gets a kick out of being a chump- acting like losing to Hendo is embarrassing or getting knocked out 20 years into his career against Bader means something.

There is nothing embarrassing per say about getting knocked out by Dan. Dan is a legned.

However the reality is Dan was a MW and 40 years old when he knocked out an alleged HW GOAT.

Fedor had no business in the ring with Bader

 

[Royce Greasy]

Dan literally came the ring at a MW fight weight.
Many MW fight heavier than he did when he knocked Fedor out.

Plus he was 40

No you're completely wrong and don't know your history of mma/nhb, Dan was a mw yes however mw back in the 90's was 199lbs not 185lbs, it was only later in his career that he joined the 185lbs class in the modern UFC when Anderson Silva was champ.

 

[Royce Greasy]

There is nothing embarrassing per say about getting knocked out by Dan. Dan is a legned.

However the reality is Dan was a MW and 40 years old when he knocked out an alleged HW GOAT.

Fedor had no business in the ring with Bader

Fedor was regressing by the time he faced Rogers that was in 2009 I believe so him losing to Henderson 3 years after that doesn't hold much weight and Dan being 40yo big deal, everyone ages differently and some won't take things like HGH to stay in top form.

As for Fedor fighting Bader in his mid 40's I agree he should not have been fighting at that point but make no mistake Pride or even Affliction level Fedor would have been the clear favorite over Bader.

 

[Krimzon]

Fedor with 6 months of TRT could take 2023 Bader

 

[icemun]

No you're completely wrong and don't know your history of mma/nhb, Dan was a mw yes however mw back in the 90's was 199lbs not 185lbs, it was only later in his career that he joined the 185lbs class in the modern UFC when Anderson Silva was champ.

A year earlier Dan lost at MW to Jake Sheilds

 

[OLD RED]

There is nothing embarrassing per say about getting knocked out by Dan. Dan is a legned.

However the reality is Dan was a MW and 40 years old when he knocked out an alleged HW GOAT.

Fedor had no business in the ring with Bader

Dan was 207lbs on TRT and was melting guys. He was coming off KO wins over Feijao (who had just knocked out King Mo and Romero) and a KO win over Babalu who had just beat Lawler. Then Dan knocked out Fedor at HW and went to the UFC and beat Shogun which got him a shot at the LHW title against Jon Jones. That's not a MW.

Fedor is 5'11 at 230lbs with 74inch reach. He's not bigger than Wanderlei or Shogun on fight night who are both all time great LHWs who also got knocked out by Henderson.



This isn't a 40 year old MW. It's a LHW on TRT who was knocking the shit out of people and getting a title shot against Jon Jones. It was a dumb decision of Fedor to fight Hendo just 5 months after Bigfoot caved his skull in with brutal GnP, likely giving him CTE. It's no coincidence Fedors chin didn't hold up in his next fight.

You're going way out of your way to criticize Fedor for losing to an all time great and using a size advantage which didn't really exist to structure your point.

 

[OLD RED]

A year earlier Dan lost at MW to Jake Sheilds

So what?


GSP lost to LW journey man Matt Serra in is prime but beat up MW champion Bisping who used to fight at LHW with ease.

Anderson Silva lost to Japanese LW cans by submission and went on to smash LHW champion Forrest Griffin.

This type of shit happens in sports. Hendo losing to Shields doesn't reflect on Fedor losing to Hendo. The same GSP losing to journey man LW Serra and beating up Bisping doesn't reflect on Bisping.

Morons like you try to push these narratives to discredit fighters and make their losses seem worse than they are so you can win an argument with a stranger on the internet. Typical behavior from those who have never trained or sparred a day in their life.

Fedor was past his prime and on a 2 fight losing skid after taking brain damage from Bigfoot and ran into a dangerous, peaking Hendo who was on fire and has historically knocked out and beaten great fighters at LHW.

 

[Krimzon]

Dan was 207lbs on TRT and was melting guys. He was coming off KO wins over Feijao (who had just knocked out King Mo and Romero) and a KO win over Babalu who had just beat Lawler. Then Dan knocked out Fedor at HW and went to the UFC and beat Shogun which got him a shot at the LHW title against Jon Jones. That's not a MW.

Fedor is 5'11 at 230lbs with 74inch reach. He's not bigger than Wanderlei or Shogun on fight night who are both all time great LHWs who also got knocked out by Henderson.

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This isn't a 40 year old MW. It's a LHW on TRT who was knocking the shit out of people and getting a title shot against Jon Jones. It was a dumb decision of Fedor to fight Hendo just 5 months after Bigfoot caved his skull in with brutal GnP, likely giving him CTE. It's no coincidence Fsdors chin didn't hold up in his next fight.

You're going way out of your way to criticize Fedor for losing to an all time great and using a size advantage which didn't really exist to structure you're point.

to add on to that, Bigfoot himself was on TRT when he smashed Fedor. Should've hooked Fedor onto that shit before he faced either guy

 

[icemun]

Dan was 207lbs on TRT and was melting guys. He was coming off KO wins over Feijao (who had just knocked out King Mo and Romero) and a KO win over Babalu who had just beat Lawler. Then Dan knocked out Fedor at HW and went to the UFC and beat Shogun which got him a shot at the LHW title against Jon Jones. That's not a MW.

Fedor is 5'11 at 230lbs with 74inch reach. He's not bigger than Wanderlei or Shogun on fight night who are both all time great LHWs who also got knocked out by Henderson.

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This isn't a 40 year old MW. It's a LHW on TRT who was knocking the shit out of people and getting a title shot against Jon Jones. It was a dumb decision of Fedor to fight Hendo just 5 months after Bigfoot caved his skull in with brutal GnP, likely giving him CTE. It's no coincidence Fedors chin didn't hold up in his next fight.

You're going way out of your way to criticize Fedor for losing to an all time great and using a size advantage which didn't really exist to structure your point.

So what?


GSP lost to LW journey man Matt Serra in is prime but beat up MW champion Bisping who used to fight at LHW with ease.

Anderson Silva lost to Japanese LW cans by submission and went on to smash LHW champion Forrest Griffin.

This type of shit happens in sports. Hendo losing to Shields doesn't reflect on Fedor losing to Hendo. The same GSP losing to journey man LW Serra and beating up Bisping doesn't reflect on Bisping.

Morons like you try to push these narratives to discredit fighters and make their losses seem worse than they are so you can win an argument with a stranger on the internet. Typical behavior from those who have never trained or sparred a day in their life.

Fedor was past his prime and on a 2 fight losing skid after taking brain damage from Bigfoot and ran into a dangerous, peaking Hendo who was on fire and has historically knocked out and beaten great fighters at LHW.

It is , what is is.

 

[OLD RED]

It is , what is is.

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[roganisonly5foot3]

Who do you think has a worse chin current fedor or prime Ben Saunders?

 

[Left Hook Lacy]

Fedor couldn't escape mount and instead started punching from the bottom against big foot Silva it was then I knew it was over

I think Big Foots top game was amazing and his best skill. Unfortunately he didn't have the takedowns to ever use it except against Fedor.

Fedor might have caught him on the feet in a rematch but it was a bad matchup for him. Similar to Jacare was the nightmare matchup for Mousasi. Mousasi was comfortable working off his back but against Jacare that was just not a feasible strategy. Barnett might have been a bad matchup for Fedor too but maybe against Barnett Fedor could've still muscled his way back to the feet.

The Werdum and Hendo losses were just bad luck cmon now. He would've beaten both in a rematch. And yes if course at some point his age started to show badly. Not sure when exactly. That in addition with his high risk style of course always opened up the option of suffering KO losses as well.

 

[Ibm]

If you had to build the perfect bad matchup man for fedor, it would be bader. Its the style. Fedors favored matchup styles were bigger, slower guys but with power.

 

[OLD RED]

If you had to build the perfect bad matchup man for fedor, it would be bader. Its the style. Fedors favored matchup styles were bigger, slower guys but with power.

Lol Prime Fedor Vs Bader would look like Nemkov vs Bader.

 

[Ibm]

Lol Prime Fedor Vs Bader would look like Nemkov vs Bader.

Yes or Bader would just lay and pray him and take him down each time he wants. Prime Bader went undefeated until he fought Jones and surprised by Tito. Being a fomer bellator HW champ a year ago is no joke. Both guy in their primes, this fight would go either way but the bigger guy with lay and pray wrestling might be favored.

 

[Vulve]

old age
as if it wasnt obvious

 

[OLD RED]

Yes or Bader would just lay and pray him and take him down each time he wants. Prime Bader went undefeated until he fought Jones and surprised by Tito. Being a fomer bellator HW champ a year ago is no joke. Both guy in their primes, this fight would go either way but the bigger guy with lay and pray wrestling might be favored.

Prime Bader got strangled by Jones. Knocked dead by Glover and Machida. Knocked down and submitted by old Tito and had a split decision with a past his peak Lil Nog.

But he's the worst match up for 27 year old peak Fedor? I just don't buy it.