Social WR Lounge v281: *Shivers* Full Blown Surefront

[CubicleGangster]

Honestly do you think it is satire? I’m like 50/50.

It has to be satire

Birth of a Nation under Liberal lol

They literally have a Nazi propaganda film listed as a liberal film lol

 

[Jack V Savage]

It has to be satire

They literally have a Nazi propaganda film listed as a liberal film lol

There's also this, from the worst liberal films list (both entries):

God Bless America 2011 R Despite its name the movie is a rip-off of the conservative film Falling Down, this "comedy" has a miserable man and his foul-mouthed nihilist girl sidekick summary executes Tea Party members, a Fox News like-host, Christians, and other conservative stereotypes.

Falling Down 1993 R Film takes jabs at many liberal values, illegal immigration, union workers, multiculturalism, (one scene where Bill tells his ex-wife that the ice cream shop him and his family used to go to is now a Mexican store) and foreign aid (in one scene Bill asks an illegal Korean immigrate a rhetorical question on how much America has given his country and yells at him after he refuses to learn the language).[108] It's also one of the very few films to be truthful in the "Nazis were right wingers" myth perpetrated by liberals, in which Bill informs a Neo-Nazi that he's an American and the Nazi is a sick a-hole. As well as many shots where the America flag is trashed upon (which could symbolize how liberalism has trashed everything America has stood for).[109] But at the same time it also takes jabs at capitalism, where Bill believes he's no longer commercially valuable. And although the plot is about man trying to reach his daughter's birthday party, the film seems to toy with its audience in suggesting whether he's mentally ill or not, as opposed to a pro-family message.

 

[essie]

It has to be satire


They literally have a Nazi propaganda film listed as a liberal film lol

https://conservapedia.com/National_Socialism

National Socialism (Nazism) is a far-left totalitarian system originally created in Germany immediately following World War I, and characterized by a collectivist view toward race. Nazism was heavily influenced by Democratic Party and Progressive ideology. [1]

 

[CubicleGangster]

There's also this, from the worst liberal films list (both entries):

God Bless America 2011 R Despite its name the movie is a rip-off of the conservative film Falling Down, this "comedy" has a miserable man and his foul-mouthed nihilist girl sidekick summary executes Tea Party members, a Fox News like-host, Christians, and other conservative stereotypes.

Falling Down 1993 R Film takes jabs at many liberal values, illegal immigration, union workers, multiculturalism, (one scene where Bill tells his ex-wife that the ice cream shop him and his family used to go to is now a Mexican store) and foreign aid (in one scene Bill asks an illegal Korean immigrate a rhetorical question on how much America has given his country and yells at him after he refuses to learn the language).[108] It's also one of the very few films to be truthful in the "Nazis were right wingers" myth perpetrated by liberals, in which Bill informs a Neo-Nazi that he's an American and the Nazi is a sick a-hole. As well as many shots where the America flag is trashed upon (which could symbolize how liberalism has trashed everything America has stood for).[109] But at the same time it also takes jabs at capitalism, where Bill believes he's no longer commercially valuable. And although the plot is about man trying to reach his daughter's birthday party, the film seems to toy with its audience in suggesting whether he's mentally ill or not, as opposed to a pro-family message.

Yeah I posted teh Falling Down one as the "pro-family message" comment made me burst out laughing

https://conservapedia.com/National_Socialism

National Socialism (Nazism) is a far-left totalitarian system originally created in Germany immediately following World War I, and characterized by a collectivist view toward race. Nazism was heavily influenced by Democratic Party and Progressive ideology. [1]

 

[Islam Imamate]

Goddamnit @essie... why did you have to bring up that God awful Emerich Godzilla movie? It misses the whole point of what Godzilla is.

Godzilla - stand in for what happened to Japan in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He is literally a walking breathing atomic bomb and a stand in for the destruction that Japan saw from those two bombs

Mothra - sorta a stand in for Mother Nature, the hint is a bit in the name but also how Mothra is both a danger to villain Godzilla but also an ally to the hero version of Godzilla as well as the humans

Mechagodzilla - stand in for when humans try to tame nature and control it and it goes off the rails and attacks them


But no, Emerich is just going to make Godzilla a mom that wants to use a human city as a nest.....

I really liked that movie as a kid, one of my favorites. They sort of try to keep the allegorical connection to the atomic bomb by making Godzilla the result of French nuclear tests but I don't think it worked. Actually I really like the design of that Godzilla and the movie in general(though I haven't seen it start to finish since I was a kid) but I think you're right in saying it doesn't really feel like a Godzilla movie.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I hadn't seen it but I heard of it. That's the thing that I love about Japanese media. If American media picks up a Japanese IP and butchers it.... instead of pretneding it didn't happen Japan grahpically kills off the American version in their next film.


It's not live action but G Gundam is a good example. The OG Gundam series had been over for awhile and Japan wanted to keep the merchandise sales up so they released G Gundam to Japan with the American audience in mind. So instead of piloting the giant robots like they're walking fighter plans the pilots wear these fucking skin tight suits and literally throw punches inside the cockpit for the robot to throw punches as well. The whole thing is a clusterfuck and the characters are huge fucking stereotypes for the countries they're from.

Needless to say at original release it flopped like a motherfucker and was followed up by one of the better series in the universe in Gundam Wing.


And stuff like 08th MS Team. In one of the immediate follow ups to G Gundam a character asks if they will ever update the piloting system to wearing suits so they can pilot the suit as if it's their own body and a character responds:
"That sounds like a terrible idea and something an idiot American kid would come up with"

G Gundam is the only one I saw and I really liked it as a kid.

 

[Gregolian]

G Gundam is the only one I saw and I really liked it as a kid.

It’s so goofy it’s funny but when it was first released the Japanese public hated it.

It got its weird cult following cause of the dubbed release on Toonami.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

It’s so goofy it’s funny but when it was first released the Japanese public hated it.

It got its weird cult following cause of the dubbed release on Toonami.

Endless Waltz was my favourite anime movie for many years as a kid.

I remember pissing of my Mom when she asked what it was about and I said "it's too complicated" lol (meaning I was frustrated that I couldn't quickly summarize the political backdrop).

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

This film was eye candy.

 

[CubicleGangster]

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

One of my libertarian follows posted this today, thought it was interesting:

One way classical liberals have done ourselves no good is to talk about market economies as if they were some sort of meritocracy where people with more skill, or better values, or who work harder get rewarded for it. The worst version is to blithely associate being rich with moral merit.

This is completely wrong, and dangerously so. The best discussion of this might still be in chapter 6 of Hayek's *Constitution of Liberty*.

Markets do not reward "skill." They don't reward "hard work." They don't reward "moral merit." They reward the creation of value for others. Period. In a genuine market, the path to material wealth is by doing things that others value. Your wealth is a reflection of the ways in which you've improved the lives of those who have paid you for what you produce. Mutually beneficial exchange - value for value.

You can be an asshole and still make people's lives much better off. If you have a great idea, you might not have to work very hard to bring it to fruition. Your labor might not be especially skilled if you're willing to do work that others value but are unwilling to do. Your wealth is not a sign of your moral worth as a person. It's a sign that you created value for others. Now that's morally praiseworthy in my book, but there's also a bunch of other dimensions to being a moral person that you might lack.

Markets don't reward merit. And wealth is no indicator of such merit. The sooner we get away from that misunderstanding the better. The rich aren't better people. In a genuine market, they're just better at creating value for others.

 

[essie]

I was reading about how high the rates of mental illness are in Palestine and found a fantastic article about "PTSD" to a Palestinian.
https://qz.com/1521806/palestines-head-of-mental-health-services-says-ptsd-is-a-western-concept/

“PTSD better describes the experiences of an American soldier who goes to Iraq to bomb and go back to the safety of the United States. He’s having nightmares and fears related to the battlefield and his fears are imaginary. Whereas for a Palestinian in Gaza whose home was bombarded, the threat of having another bombardment is a very real one. It’s not imaginary,” says Jabr. “There is no ‘post’ because the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and continuous. I think we need to be authentic about our experiences and not to try to impose on ourselves experiences that are not ours.”

Jabr says people in Palestine who face continual trauma are more susceptible to shifts in personality, and express a variety of symptoms where their emotions stress is manifest in physical reactions. For example, she had a patient who suffered from breathlessness and who was sent to a psychiatrist after physical examinations could not find a cause. “A few months after he developed enough trust, he told me that he developed these symptoms after he was attacked by soldiers who forced him to use filthy words against his wife [and] his mother,” she says. “He was so ashamed of the event, that he had to comply with the instructions or soldiers…and his body expressed the suffering. We see that very often.”

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

One of my libertarian follows posted this today, thought it was interesting:

People value skill and hard work.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

People value skill and hard work.

That is a different argument though.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Endless Waltz was my favourite anime movie for many years as a kid.

I remember pissing of my Mom when she asked what it was about and I said "it's too complicated" lol (meaning I was frustrated that I couldn't quickly summarize the political backdrop).

Do I have to watch Gundam Wing to appreciate Endless Waltz?

 

[Gregolian]

Endless Waltz was my favourite anime movie for many years as a kid.

I remember pissing of my Mom when she asked what it was about and I said "it's too complicated" lol (meaning I was frustrated that I couldn't quickly summarize the political backdrop).

It's a hard to explain world for sure.

Do I have to watch Gundam Wing to appreciate Endless Waltz?

I think you do.

It takes place after the show's run and references events from the show.

 

[Jack V Savage]

One of my libertarian follows posted this today, thought it was interesting:

Better than a lot of libertarians, but you still got inheritance, rent, and many forms of investment where "creating value" doesn't actually correlate with wealth. I think this idea of valorizing people for having wealth is silly. And while I think a well-designed reward system would incentivize/reward wealth creation, we're a long way from ideal there.

 

[danny23]

https://conservapedia.com/National_Socialism

National Socialism (Nazism) is a far-left totalitarian system originally created in Germany immediately following World War I, and characterized by a collectivist view toward race. Nazism was heavily influenced by Democratic Party and Progressive ideology. [1]

They were socialist and collectivists but only for one class, that radically differs from the classic socialist definition of a classless society.
They did pass socialist economic policies and ran a totalitarian one party, dictatorship state like other socialist states.
Nuremberg laws took inspiration from Jim Crow, which were initially enacted and enforced by the Democrat party in the south, so there’s some truth there. European fascism had different roots, but the early Democrats were also the party of the KKK and white supremacy, some influence would be reflected in them.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You wanna talk about it lad?

I was reading about how high the rates of mental illness are in Palestine and found a fantastic article about "PTSD" to a Palestinian.
https://qz.com/1521806/palestines-head-of-mental-health-services-says-ptsd-is-a-western-concept/

“PTSD better describes the experiences of an American soldier who goes to Iraq to bomb and go back to the safety of the United States. He’s having nightmares and fears related to the battlefield and his fears are imaginary. Whereas for a Palestinian in Gaza whose home was bombarded, the threat of having another bombardment is a very real one. It’s not imaginary,” says Jabr. “There is no ‘post’ because the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and continuous. I think we need to be authentic about our experiences and not to try to impose on ourselves experiences that are not ours.”

Jabr says people in Palestine who face continual trauma are more susceptible to shifts in personality, and express a variety of symptoms where their emotions stress is manifest in physical reactions. For example, she had a patient who suffered from breathlessness and who was sent to a psychiatrist after physical examinations could not find a cause. “A few months after he developed enough trust, he told me that he developed these symptoms after he was attacked by soldiers who forced him to use filthy words against his wife [and] his mother,” she says. “He was so ashamed of the event, that he had to comply with the instructions or soldiers…and his body expressed the suffering. We see that very often.”

Depressing article. People normally think of these conflicts by quantifying them through their death toll but the daily suffering of the Palestinians gets ignored when you do that. The fact that nearly a quarter of Palestinian adolescents have attempted suicide is insane to me.

 

[Ruprecht]

Don't you miss those pre-COVID days where at least a respectable overall percentage of the people who cared about or discussed issues related to China and the CCP were at least somewhat informed on what the hell they were talking about? I do.

Honestly there's always been a lot of nonsense about China in discussions here in Oz. Dating back to at least the Gold Rush of the mid 1800s, so it can't even be written off as a product of their Communism.
It's also possible I'm not being cynical enough in ascribing some of these articles to populism, ignorance or stupidity.
The position of most virologists and related expertise dating back to at least the '90s is that the intensity of commercial farming is leading to the increase in zoonotic events. The conservative side of our politics (the National party in particular) is certainly tied to the livestock industry, so it's entirely possible they want to see virologists discredited. Much as they have with the petroleum industry and climatologists.
The more conservative factions of the Liberal and National parties specialise in head-in-the-sand policies. It's why the Murray-Darling is munted.