International Zimbabwe: White Farmers in The Former "Breadbasket of Africa" Frustrated as Government Fails to Honor Compensation For Mugabe’s Brutal Land Grab.

what a massive no shit sherlock clusterfuck moment in history.
 
I would say work ethic, which is largely taught in formative years via chores/work and observation of working parents. Or not.
 
Who could have seen this coming?

Come back and help us rebuild the economy after we ruined your farms and then we'll kick your kids out in the future when it's politically convenient (or kill them) and give the land to ours when it's profitable again.
 
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Renard said:
I still don't get what the ordeal is. It's farming... fucking farming. There's machinery to manoeuvre and a certain amount of technical skill and know-how required, but it's not rocket science either. There's no reason black Zimbabweans can't do the jobs, especially when years have passed and replacements should have had plenty of time to receive training. I'm not saying it was right of them to push out their white countrymen, I just can't wrap my head around the logic of "We need the magical white people to come back again so our farms can work!" No... you just need to learn farming...
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Africans have a problem with laziness.

Every person who has been there either doing voluntary aid work or professional work have said the same.

They would rather not do anything or steal than work (not saying all africans but they have a problem with that)
 
58miles said:
According to Sherdog only certain people deserve reparations.
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Yes. Because paying "reparations" to people who were never slaves and don't even know if their ancestors were slaves two centuries ago because of their skin color, while forcing the taxpayers to foot the bill for it is the same thing as compensating farmers who had their own lands seized less than 20 years ago because the government is desperate to lure them back is totally the same thing.

How surprising they are looking to the UK to pay for this. Heh.
 
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58miles said:
I'd gladly swap out SA Boers for pretty much any other refugees on the planet.
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Aren't comments like these equal to a warning?

Two opposites and equally liberated from a healthy conception of reality.
 
Renard said:
I still don't get what the ordeal is. It's farming... fucking farming. There's machinery to manoeuvre and a certain amount of technical skill and know-how required, but it's not rocket science either. There's no reason black Zimbabweans can't do the jobs, especially when years have passed and replacements should have had plenty of time to receive training. I'm not saying it was right of them to push out their white countrymen, I just can't wrap my head around the logic of "We need the magical white people to come back again so our farms can work!" No... you just need to learn farming...
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It’s been 400 years. You’d think they learn by now. By comparison Sourh Korea was a shit hole after the war. Look at them now.
 
Cole train said:
Africans have a problem with laziness.

Every person who has been there either doing voluntary aid work or professional work have said the same.

They would rather not do anything or steal than work (not saying all africans but they have a problem with that)
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Lol to think right-wingers complain about being called racist.
 
sabretruth said:
Lol to think right-wingers complain about being called racist.
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That comes straight of 2 somalian classmates of my in trade school; my friends mom as a nurse who was in ethiopia doing volunteer work and my other friends father done peacekeeping there just as an example.

Also nothing racist here,this is the same as calling finns/russians alcoholics,americans fat or uk guys having bad teeth (though the consept of racism differs a lot, in my country this would not be racism but in some western countries this might be so what do i know)
 
Cole train said:
Africans have a problem with laziness.

Every person who has been there either doing voluntary aid work or professional work have said the same.

They would rather not do anything or steal than work (not saying all africans but they have a problem with that)
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Lmao I knew this guy who went to Africa on a missions trip. They helped build schools. Guy said the Africans didn't lift a finger. They sat in the shade all day long and would move around the construction site to avoid the sun. Hilarious
 
Renard said:
I still don't get what the ordeal is. It's farming... fucking farming. There's machinery to manoeuvre and a certain amount of technical skill and know-how required, but it's not rocket science either. There's no reason black Zimbabweans can't do the jobs, especially when years have passed and replacements should have had plenty of time to receive training. I'm not saying it was right of them to push out their white countrymen, I just can't wrap my head around the logic of "We need the magical white people to come back again so our farms can work!" No... you just need to learn farming...
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Hmm...I thought the basic idea of how Mugabe's land reform failed should be well known by now, but here's an analysis from a year ago, with the most important part quoted.

I would recommend you to follow the link and read the entire article to catch up to other people if you are brand-new to this subject.

Lessons from Zimbabwe's failed land reforms
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William Gumede

Land reform undermined agricultural productivity

Before the land reform, the country was agriculturally almost self-sufficient, but land reform collapsed agricultural productivity to such an extent that the country now imports most products.

The land reform focused exclusively on taking successful commercial farms. This almost immediately undermined agricultural productivity. This meant Zimbabwe's exports income was immediately and devastatingly cut. Its food production was also immediately disrupted as productivity plummeted.

Although some of the land was transferred to poor blacks who had basic farming skills, a lot of the best land was transferred to Zanu-PF politicians. Even the ordinary Zimbabweans who got land and who had real farming skills often lacked the commercial management skills which modern commercial farming now demands.

But most importantly, land reform in Zimbabwe did not empower the genuine subsistence, small and medium and emerging commercial black farmers. It did not upscale them, give them access to finance, help them to adopt new production methods and diversify their products, or secure markets for them.

The Zimbabwean land reform failed, like black economic empowerment in Zimbabwe and in South Africa; because it did not transfer land rights to blacks already in business, especially in the SMMEs sector – the real black entrepreneurs – but transferred commercially successful assets to political capitalists with no business inclination or skills whatsoever. This undermined, rather than added value.

Land reform in Zimbabwe was not part of a long-term industrialisation strategy, which aimed to create entirely new commercial black farmers, develop a manufacturing sector aligned to it and establish industrially relevant technical higher education institutions to produce new agricultural related skills.

https://m.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/lessons-from-zimbabwes-failed-land-reforms-20181014
 
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Cole train said:
Africans have a problem with laziness.

Every person who has been there either doing voluntary aid work or professional work have said the same.

They would rather not do anything or steal than work (not saying all africans but they have a problem with that)
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Of course, I mean look at the whole continent. The only worth while things they built like in America were under the supersvision/compulsion of the white man. Look at the other African cultures outside of Africa like Jamaica: what’s their number one philosophy? “Relax, man”
 
Arkain2K said:
Once Evicted White Zimbabwean Farmer Returns to His Land


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One of the white Zimbabwean farmers who was thrown off his land by the government of recently ousted president Robert Mugabe has become the first white farmer to return to his property.

Robert Smart received a military escort Thursday to his Lesbury farm about 200 kilometers east of the capital, Harare. A soldier in a van watched the farmer's return and was there if Smart needed him. Smart did not need his services.​

Smart and his family were greeted warmly with tears and ululations by the black farm workers who had lived and worked on the property for generations and who were also evicted from the property.

During the country's colonial times, whites grabbed large tracts of the country's best farmlands, leaving blacks to live in regions that were mostly not arable.

Mugabe said the farm evictions were meant to address colonial land ownership imbalances that did not favor the black majority, but instead favored whites who make up less than one percent of the population.

Land ownership in Zimbabwe has been fraught with emotional, racial and political issues for years.

White farmers were often evicted violently from their farms with security forces using tear gas and AK-47s under Mugabe's presidency.

The blacks who took over the farms, often Mugabe's cronies, usually did not maintain them, since they had no farming experience. Zimbabwe's economy suffered without its agricultural roots and the country's economy slid into hyperinflation.

Newly installed President Emmerson Mnangagwa has promised to undo some of Mugabe's land reforms in hopes of igniting the country's once-prosperous economy.

The Associated Press reports that earlier this month, Terrence Mukupe, the deputy finance minister, traveled to Zambia to talk with former white Zimbabwean farmers who have settled there about returning to their land.

Smart held back tears while greeting old friends and touring his ransacked house.

His son Darryn told Reuters, "We are overjoyed, over the moon. We thought we would never see this day coming." He said, "Getting back to the farm has given not just us, but the whole community hope that it's a new Zimbabwe, a new country."

https://www.voanews.com/africa/once-evicted-white-zimbabwean-farmer-returns-his-land
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First white Zimbabwean farmer to return praises change in government attitude
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After having been evicted by armed police in June 2017, Robert Smart (70) is now back on his farm. He tells DW what it means to him to be back.

DW: Mr Smart, please tell us the story of your farm in Zimbabwe.

Robert Smart: It all started with my dad in the 1930s in what was virgin bush. He got it going and it developed from there. We built it up to four farms which were about 8,000 hectares (around 20,000 acres). Then, when the land reform came along, we gave the government 7,000 hectares. They then cut the remaining 1,000 down and gave us 700 hectares.

What happened after that?

In 2015, three guys who'd got so-called "offer letters" from the government (but we found out it was fraudulently done) came to our farm and said: "We've got sections of the bit that's left for you." And we said: "That can't be right because this is our only form of income and our only houses and you guys have all got your own houses." That was against the government policy of "one man, one farm" and so that is why we fought it right from the start. The whole community here was supporting us and our chief said, "Don't leave here, you're one of us." But we were forced to leave when armed police came to kick us out with guns and tear gas. We had no choice but to leave. Since then we have been living like refugees.

Then, when there was a change of government, we met with various government officials and our president made a statement that people like us must go back to their farms. He used us as an example because we were covered by the news media when we were evicted violently. There's been a complete change in attitude with government officials now. When we got back people were so pleased to see us, it was a fantastic feeling.

So are you back on your farm now?

No, because there is no bed to sleep in, no chair to sit on, no table to eat off. When I got to my place I saw that everything had been taken out and stolen. The house is just an empty shell. Nobody has actually lived there, they just looted everything. Quite a lot of machinery was also trashed. But just over a week ago, the police went up on the instructions of our governor to look for all the stolen property. And in fact they found quite a lot of stuff, household and farm stuff. But other than that, the farm itself and all the lands are fine. We've just got to get the weeds out and we'll be planting potatoes at the beginning of January. The farmers around have offered to help us get the crop in. The public spirit has really been amazing throughout this horrible time we've had.

Do you have high hopes of the new president? Do you think this is a genuine move?

Yes, I think so far what he's said he is going to do, he has done. We do have confidence but Rome wasn't built in a day. But he's going the right way, unlike the past president [Robert Mugabe] who just ridiculed Britain and the US. We're open to do business with everybody and we've seen investment coming already.

You were only away from your farm for six months but other white farmers were evicted much earlier. What do you think this means for them?

I don't think the ones who had to leave in 2000 will come back because they've either gone overseas or they're too old to start again. But the youngsters, the forty year-olds and younger, they'll be coming back and they'll be leasing farms. Those like us who lost their farms recently or who've been harassed for the last two or three years, all that's going to stop now and they'll be able to carry on farming like they did in the past.

How about the general feeling between blacks and whites in Zimbabwe? Has this changed?

We've never had a problem with that. Why did everybody want us to come back? Why were they so pleased to see us? This didn't happen overnight. As white Zimbabweans, we've always been together with them. It's never been a problem. So there's not going to be a great change there because there was never any problem.

Robert Smart is the first white Zimbabwean farmer to return to his land following the November coup that ousted President Robert Mugabe.

https://m.dw.com/en/first-white-zim...ises-change-in-government-attitude/a-41909120
 
They are stupid if they go back.

They will get taken and kicked out as soon as they get any up and running.
 
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