UFC Fight Night 81 - Dillashaw vs Cruz

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After watching tape im leaning Rosa slightly. He is more well rounded and when they clinch up, I think that his wrestling is gonna beat Hettes judo which he doesn't has as much success with against better competition. They are both very good in the scrambles but Rosa takes more risks on the ground when he hunts for subs so that is a concern. He loses good positions because of this which can lead to him losing 2/3 rounds in this fight. Still have to pick Rosa though because he has better standup and atleast as good BJJ as Hettes.
 
Might have put some on it if I didn't have this horrible TJ + Pettis parlay already. Not super confident in Pearson though but i havn't watched tape on this fight yet.

I'm 4-1 betting Pearson (i don't count Diego "loss") feel i have a good gauge of Pearson. Besides the Cole Miller anomaly he only generally loses to really good strikers (i thought he edged Barboza fight). Trinaldo isn't a great striker nor does he have big power and hes not a good enough grappler to replicate Dunham IMO. Not sure what happened in that fight Pearson's t/d defence is 76% currently so it was probably around 90% before that fight.
 

BJJ Scout: Dominick Cruz Study
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Dominick Cruz, Game theory optimal striking and high level poker players


This will be long, so using spoiler tags.


So this might very well be a bunch of horseshit but I'd like to write some stuff about these videos because I recognize the way he talks from tons of poker instructional videos, including some from some of the most talented and successful poker players in the world. We're talking people with millions of dollars in online cash game winnings.


Before I start, disclaimers:


1. I wrote my thesis in law school about game theory in negotiations.

2. I'm not currently playing poker, but I've had lifetime winnings of middling six figures in online cash games, a bunch of deepish runs in mid sized tournaments (prize pools of mid to low six figures, my biggest cash was around 25k euro) and had it as my main source of income for about five or six years.

3. I have about two hours of stand up training life time, so I don't know very much about it at all.

Read at your own peril.

Game theory

Dominick Cruz talks about footwork and fighting as if it was a game in a game theoretical sense, which it is.

Here's the definition from http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/game-theory/

Game theory is the study of the ways in which interacting choices of economic agents produce outcomes with respect to the preferences (or utilities) of those agents, where the outcomes in question might have been intended by none of the agents.

So basically, in a fist fight we have two fighters (agents) who interacts (hits each other with various success) with respect to their preferences (some wants to strike to set up takedowns, others head hunt etc) and the outcome may or may not be according to the plan for either one of them. Boom, a game.

In all games we have a optimal strategy, that is, an option in a specific situation which is a pair of strategies from the both fighters that they both believe can't be improved upon for a better result against the opponents strategy. So basically, when two equally skilled fighters gets to a stand still when neither one can hurt the other and both believes that if they do something else the outcome will get worse they think they've found it, and if two fighters fought a million times against each other with good coaches analyzing the fight each time they would probably figure it out.

Cruz, information and adjustments

When Cruz talks about footwork it sounds a lot like if he gathers information about what kind of mistakes an opponent does. In the fight with Mizugaki in the second video he concludes, according to the narrator, that the opponent over-uses the right hand which makes the correct way to fight him to overuse whatever counter you can find to the right hand. This is a lot like in poker videos when the narrator concludes after a sample of hands that the other guy plays a non-optimal strategy that includes too many bluffs, too few bluffs, too much calling or whatever and then adjusts by calling more, calling less, stops bluffing etc. Basically, when you've figure out what the other person does in a non-optimal way you can beat them much harder by also playing non-optimal, but in a different way which counters their mistakes. A easy example would be that while head hunting too much in general is bad, since it makes you predictable and opens up a whole can of issues against a competent striker, against someone like Katsunori Kikuno who never moves his head and/or defends it in anyway or someone with a very week chin you should just go ahead and wing powerpunches against his head.

What Cruz's strategy with all the non-comming footwork, jabs, feints etc does is that it figures out what the other guy does too much off and then adjusts with committing strikes/takedowns/whatever only when he knows in which way your reaction to his entries is unbalanced, that is, what kind of defense you overuse and what kind of reaction you underused. Basically, if you don't mix stuff up he'll adjust and eat you alive. Same as poker. Also I hate the term “mix it up”, but it's probably the right one.

”Leveling” or how to deal with it

The most obvious way to deal with someone who tries to figure out what you do wrong or in a game theoretical sense how you are unbalanced is to fight/play perfectly. Unfortunately no one can do that. The next best thing, besides trying your darnedest to not make mistakes, is to do what poker players calls “leveling”, or simply being on another mental level then your opponent. Roughly speaking you can divide people in these categories:

Level 1 thinkers: Knows what they're good at, does that. “I hit hard, so I keep throwing powerpunches”

Level 2 thinkers: Knows what the opponent is good at, adjusts to that. “The opponent is a good grappler, let's make sure I don't get taken down”

Level 3 thinkers. Knows that the opponent knows what they're good at. “The opponent knows I'm a good grappler and wants to get him down so he'll keep his hands low to counter the takedown, thus I'll hit him in the face.”

and then it goes on and on and the important thing is to always be one, but only one, step ahead of the opponent. I this case it'll mostly be about "last time he did Y, I did X, so this time I need to do Z/Y/X because of him thinking I'll do X/Z/Y" in various combinations.


The problem is that a coach can't really do this stuff in specific fight situations with lots of options, since it's split second decisions multiple times per round the fighter needs to have pre-fight information about the other persons tendencies or an ability to adjust correctly during the fight to the other fighter's adjustments. Against most people you can just get instructions from your corner and correct it after a round, but Cruz seems to change what he does multiple times per fight which it why the leveling game will be a mental battle between him and his opponent. If it's true that he has the highest fight-IQ, he'll probably win that more often then not.


The only way Duane Ludwig can influence this if he either figures out ways that can counter big parts of Cruz decision tree for each entry Cruz does and thereby give Dillashaw a bigger margin of error or figure out a strategy that doesn't let Cruz do his stick and move-information gathering stuff.


Given all this I'd favor Cruz if he is as skilled, strong, conditioned etc as Dillashaw just because he's probably smarter, but on the other hand I can't imagine that he actually is that given his injuries and the general beastyness of his opponent. I'm guessing it comes down to how close he is to optimal shape and how far behind T.J. that is. Given his last fight and his personality I'm guessing that Cruz won't be that far off, but I'm not sure if it's close enough that his fight-IQ can make up for it.


This is before watching tape on the main event, and without any bets down.
 
Dominick Cruz, Game theory optimal striking and high level poker players


This will be long, so using spoiler tags.


So this might very well be a bunch of horseshit but I'd like to write some stuff about these videos because I recognize the way he talks from tons of poker instructional videos, including some from some of the most talented and successful poker players in the world. We're talking people with millions of dollars in online cash game winnings.


Before I start, disclaimers:


1. I wrote my thesis in law school about game theory in negotiations.

2. I'm not currently playing poker, but I've had lifetime winnings of middling six figures in online cash games, a bunch of deepish runs in mid sized tournaments (prize pools of mid to low six figures, my biggest cash was around 25k euro) and had it as my main source of income for about five or six years.

3. I have about two hours of stand up training life time, so I don't know very much about it at all.

Read at your own peril.

Game theory

Dominick Cruz talks about footwork and fighting as if it was a game in a game theoretical sense, which it is.

Here's the definition from http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/game-theory/



So basically, in a fist fight we have two fighters (agents) who interacts (hits each other with various success) with respect to their preferences (some wants to strike to set up takedowns, others head hunt etc) and the outcome may or may not be according to the plan for either one of them. Boom, a game.

In all games we have a optimal strategy, that is, an option in a specific situation which is a pair of strategies from the both fighters that they both believe can't be improved upon for a better result against the opponents strategy. So basically, when two equally skilled fighters gets to a stand still when neither one can hurt the other and both believes that if they do something else the outcome will get worse they think they've found it, and if two fighters fought a million times against each other with good coaches analyzing the fight each time they would probably figure it out.

Cruz, information and adjustments

When Cruz talks about footwork it sounds a lot like if he gathers information about what kind of mistakes an opponent does. In the fight with Mizugaki in the second video he concludes, according to the narrator, that the opponent over-uses the right hand which makes the correct way to fight him to overuse whatever counter you can find to the right hand. This is a lot like in poker videos when the narrator concludes after a sample of hands that the other guy plays a non-optimal strategy that includes too many bluffs, too few bluffs, too much calling or whatever and then adjusts by calling more, calling less, stops bluffing etc. Basically, when you've figure out what the other person does in a non-optimal way you can beat them much harder by also playing non-optimal, but in a different way which counters their mistakes. A easy example would be that while head hunting too much in general is bad, since it makes you predictable and opens up a whole can of issues against a competent striker, against someone like Katsunori Kikuno who never moves his head and/or defends it in anyway or someone with a very week chin you should just go ahead and wing powerpunches against his head.

What Cruz's strategy with all the non-comming footwork, jabs, feints etc does is that it figures out what the other guy does too much off and then adjusts with committing strikes/takedowns/whatever only when he knows in which way your reaction to his entries is unbalanced, that is, what kind of defense you overuse and what kind of reaction you underused. Basically, if you don't mix stuff up he'll adjust and eat you alive. Same as poker. Also I hate the term “mix it up”, but it's probably the right one.

”Leveling” or how to deal with it

The most obvious way to deal with someone who tries to figure out what you do wrong or in a game theoretical sense how you are unbalanced is to fight/play perfectly. Unfortunately no one can do that. The next best thing, besides trying your darnedest to not make mistakes, is to do what poker players calls “leveling”, or simply being on another mental level then your opponent. Roughly speaking you can divide people in these categories:

Level 1 thinkers: Knows what they're good at, does that. “I hit hard, so I keep throwing powerpunches”

Level 2 thinkers: Knows what the opponent is good at, adjusts to that. “The opponent is a good grappler, let's make sure I don't get taken down”

Level 3 thinkers. Knows that the opponent knows what they're good at. “The opponent knows I'm a good grappler and wants to get him down so he'll keep his hands low to counter the takedown, thus I'll hit him in the face.”

and then it goes on and on and the important thing is to always be one, but only one, step ahead of the opponent. I this case it'll mostly be about "last time he did Y, I did X, so this time I need to do Z/Y/X because of him thinking I'll do X/Z/Y" in various combinations.


The problem is that a coach can't really do this stuff in specific fight situations with lots of options, since it's split second decisions multiple times per round the fighter needs to have pre-fight information about the other persons tendencies or an ability to adjust correctly during the fight to the other fighter's adjustments. Against most people you can just get instructions from your corner and correct it after a round, but Cruz seems to change what he does multiple times per fight which it why the leveling game will be a mental battle between him and his opponent. If it's true that he has the highest fight-IQ, he'll probably win that more often then not.


The only way Duane Ludwig can influence this if he either figures out ways that can counter big parts of Cruz decision tree for each entry Cruz does and thereby give Dillashaw a bigger margin of error or figure out a strategy that doesn't let Cruz do his stick and move-information gathering stuff.


Given all this I'd favor Cruz if he is as skilled, strong, conditioned etc as Dillashaw just because he's probably smarter, but on the other hand I can't imagine that he actually is that given his injuries and the general beastyness of his opponent. I'm guessing it comes down to how close he is to optimal shape and how far behind T.J. that is. Given his last fight and his personality I'm guessing that Cruz won't be that far off, but I'm not sure if it's close enough that his fight-IQ can make up for it.


This is before watching tape on the main event, and without any bets down.

Good read altho it hurt my brain! Hes clarly a very intelligent guy.
 
While I'm on Dom Cruz, who's to say to say if a judge decides to give it to TJ Dillashaw if he's able to "advance" more often than Cruz, who will be looking to pick his shots. You never really know with judges perception right?

I often think of judges as 5 year olds dicking around and when the 10 second clapper sounds off is when they look up and see what's going on and then score the round.
The one bright spot is that this isn't in Las Vegas where the worst judges in the world reside. But then again, these Boston judges are the same ones who gave Pendred the win over Sean Spencer......
 
Pettis says he hired a new wrestling coach - Izzy Martinez and trained with Yair Rodriguez. Says he would do half weeks in Chicago for most of this camp.
 
Pettis says he hired a new wrestling coach - Izzy Martinez and trained with Yair Rodriguez. Says he would do half weeks in Chicago for most of this camp.
Sounds smart to me. Don't think you ever hear about whoever Roufus Sport wrestling coach is and Izzy is one of the most revered wrestling coaches in the game.
 
Watched some tape on Saunders/Cote

Saunders is a pretty gritty fighter, nice use from his big height and reach advantage lands a good array of leg kicks, decent bjj black belt from Ricardo from ATT, dangerous guard off his back he really does make good use out of his long legs here and likes his omaplata's, this guy is dangerous everywhere the only weak points perhaps I see is his ability to box, such long arms make it difficult especially against accurate and technical strikers. His long frame is also more easier to get taken down with.

Cote is an experienced vet also, black belt in judo & MT, brown belt in bjj also. A durable and solid all round fighter. More recently shown improvements in his grappling and wrestling. Certainly not scared to take black belt bjj guys down and even attempt to submit them or gnp them.

Should be a back and forth close fight, saunders could go for subs, land leg kicks from the outside while cote will look to close the gap and work his inside game, be it short punches, grappling and looking for take downs. Some concerns though on cote, he seems to rely on his fight iq a bit to much and it can cost him or make fights close but overall I feel cote has the better fight iq and knows how to win. I like cote 60% atm to win, probably via decision.
 
cruz continuing to drop. getting more in at +120 and lil on cruz dec +255.
 
cruz continuing to drop. getting more in at +120 and lil on cruz dec +255.
Fuckkk was hoping people would bet TJ. Gonna put my action on Cruz now, not willing to take the chance he drops to evens.
 
Surely people will be on TJ if it ever reached evens.
Even with the mental disadvantage, he still looks like a Cruz 2.0.
 
I can't help but be swayed by Dom's confidence even with the layoffs and injuries. I played Cruz at +120 and Cruz decision +255. Can always bet TJ later if his line continues to improve after the weigh-ins.
 
Surely people will be on TJ if it ever reached evens.
Even with the mental disadvantage, he still looks like a Cruz 2.0.
He is more athletic than Cruz, but i'm not at all convinced his fight IQ is on the same level.
 
Thoughts on Trinaldo/Pearson

Trin has a black belt in kickboxing and brown belt in bjj, a solid decent mma fighter equal ko and subs almost, he tends to go to decision more so recently, never been knocked out but 2 lone sub losses to 2 ufc decent fighters (ex-hallman, luri), trin does prefer to strike often mixing in his heavy boxing and leg kicks, he does well with his striking to set up his clinch game where he uses knees, foot stomps and works on powerful take downs, trin has shown he has the ability to mix in strong take downs with good top control and striking when he requires it, I like how his fight iq works its simple, effective and it works well for him.

Pearson has black belt in Tae Kwon Do, blue blet in bjj, brown belt in judo, again a good solid mma skilled fighter in all areas of the game, lovely technical boxing, crisp clean strikes and a fast jab, backed up with his excellent footwork and speed.

I reckon Trinaldo will need to grapple, clinch and work his take downs with his his top heavy game to find success here but he is capable of this, he may not have the technique, ji jitsu such as dunham but trin does possess power in his take downs and a heavy top game focused on controlling position allowing him just enough space to work to prevent stand ups, ross should be able to get out of them though and he has a clear advantage in speed and striking over tinaldo, this is a super close fight can see both guys grinding out a decision victory. The overs are safer imo, feel the fight goes the distance, gun to head, I think split decision Pearson.
 
Sounds smart to me. Don't think you ever hear about whoever Roufus Sport wrestling coach is and Izzy is one of the most revered wrestling coaches in the game.
Yeah, no one ever heard of Ben Askren....:)
 
Might have put some on it if I didn't have this horrible TJ + Pettis parlay already. Not super confident in Pearson though but i havn't watched tape on this fight yet.

Oddly like tj + pettis parlay more then pearson + pettis, I thought this was going to be a better event for live betting then last weeks one but it feels just as many close fights, we know how pearson loves them split decisions and cruz vs tj is a clash of styles in the making.

Hopefully on the right side of the bets, shame its next week !
 
Oddly like tj + pettis parlay more then pearson + pettis, I thought this was going to be a better event for live betting then last weeks one but it feels just as many close fights, we know how pearson loves them split decisions and cruz vs tj is a clash of styles in the making.

Hopefully on the right side of the bets, shame its next week !
It's just that I have such a shitty price on TJ (-161/1.62). I feel they will be even on fight day so i could have waited and just played TJ straight up.
 
Yeah, no one ever heard of Ben Askren....:)
Fuck forgot about that lol this switch for Pettis makes sense then cause, and I could be wrong again, I think Askren either left Roufus sport or spends time training elsewhere now? Thought I read that recently
 
I am on the dog for the main and if its evens by fight night, I'm on TJ. I like Cruz a lot more but at evens I'm on the snake.
 
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