Women's division ruining the UFC..

[mahavishnunj]

I'm not a fan of wmma either and i've found it to be less than impressive. There's been the odd fight i've enjoyed but I do tend to just skip the wmma bouts.
However there is a growing wmma fanbase and if they're enjoying then it'll continue to be on ufc cards.

Are you sure? My wife won't even watch the wmma fights anymore, and the (absolutely deserved) hatred of it here seems to be growing.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Turn the fucking channel. Women not fighting at the same level as men is infinitely superior to a bunch of so-called men bitching like old women. Fucking hell what a bunch of whining little pussies.

 

[aerius]

Just wanted to quote a post from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, but wants to talk anyway.

AKA an idiot... well, his username is 'HerpDerp'...

Indeed. Off the top of my head there's 5 high level wrestlers who are currently in the UFC (Zingano, Vieira, McMann, Suarez, and Esparza), 3 of them have either fought for the title or held it and the others are ranked in the top 3. Then you have Tate who was a former title holder and recently retired along with Claudia who was the perennial #2 for ages. Every decent wrestler in the UFC has done just fine on the women's side, and I'd argue that they've had even more success than the men.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Indeed. Off the top of my head there's 5 high level wrestlers who are currently in the UFC (Zingano, Vieira, McMann, Suarez, and Esparza), 3 of them have either fought for the title or held it and the others are ranked in the top 3. Then you have Tate who was a former title holder and recently retired along with Claudia who was the perennial #2 for ages. Every decent wrestler in the UFC has done just fine on the women's side, and I'd argue that they've had even more success than the men.

Well, this is the premier site for MMA fans to talk out their asses. When you combine that with their lack of success and general feelings of intimidation of and hatred for women, you get the average WMMA discussion.

 

[Xuh]

Indeed. Off the top of my head there's 5 high level wrestlers who are currently in the UFC (Zingano, Vieira, McMann, Suarez, and Esparza), 3 of them have either fought for the title or held it and the others are ranked in the top 3. Then you have Tate who was a former title holder and recently retired along with Claudia who was the perennial #2 for ages. Every decent wrestler in the UFC has done just fine on the women's side, and I'd argue that they've had even more success than the men.

IMO truly 'high level wrestlers' in WMMA, that I'm aware of, are Suarez, Kanako Murata, maybe Lilya Shakirova. None of them have had difficulty implementing their wrestling.
(I guess depending how high we spread the term 'high level' yea all those others Vieira Zingano etc count... they all do fine as you said)

As far as the collegate ones go, there is no comparison with the UFC's crowd of 'murican male collegate wrestlers, there is a huge system for collegate wrestling in the USA which gives that country the biggest pool of (male) wrestlers anywhere in the world. Those people now have a post-college career path if they want to continue to be about dat jock life, in MMA.

That's not the case for women, and it is especially not the case for women 10+ years ago when someone like Ashley Evans-Smith 'all americaned' in female collegate wrestling, a tiny sport with a tiny pool of competitors from 1 country. To tell if they are 'world class' or not, I'd want to know how they competed internationally, which is the real test for determining how good a woman's wrestling is since Freestyle is the main focus of the women's side of the sport (because the Olympics); not collegate which is its own world.
So it's no surprise if the skill of an 'all american' female collegate wrestler with no international record from 10+ years ago is highly variable. They may decent (Esparza, Cat, Miesha) or ..... well, maybe AES was better in the sport of wrestling than at MMA wrestling? I dunno....

Maybe that's true to some extent for men as well (I mean, it is 'world class', not 'USA class'...) but since there are so many more male collegate wrestlers, there are plenty of really good ones who don't make the world team because their are just too many beasts in front of them (plus, no money). Not being american I don't really know what 'all american in wrestling' means as a measure of skill though... but I do know that a girl all-americaned in Greco Roman wrestling last year, which is absolutely hilarious to me (not least because there is no such thing as 'women's greco-roman'). The number of female collegate wrestlers has also increased considerably over the last decade though (I think it's up like 250% or thereabouts since 2012) and the USA has a growing pool of good women wrestlers (a lot of whom express an interest in doing MMA in the future, now that the option is there).

 

[Marc A]

Well, this is the premier site for MMA fans to talk out their asses. When you combine that with their lack of success and general feelings of intimidation of and hatred for women, you get the average WMMA discussion.

How is not wanting to see beautiful women hurt each other hatred

On the other hand wanting these same amazing women to fight each other is hatred

 

[Eater of Souls]

How is not wanting to see beautiful women hurt each other hatred

On the other hand wanting these same amazing women to fight each other is hatred

1. Beautiful is subjective. And given how this site constantly states how the women of WMMA are not beautiful, most posters cannot use that term in this context.
2. It is possible to enjoy a fight without wanting to see anyone actually get hurt.

 

[youllneverwalkalone]

It's criminal to allow women, future mothers, to be allowed to smash each other in the head and cause brain damage to each other

"It's criminal to allow men, future fathers, to be allowed to smash each other in the head and cause brain damage to each other"

 

[Marc A]

"It's criminal to allow men, future fathers, to be allowed to smash each other in the head and cause brain damage to each other"

didn't answer the question did you

 

[Paul Gale]

I get your race analogy but it doesn't apply in this instance. The parallel just isn't there.

For example: the WNBA has been around for 22 years and is still as awful as the day it was created.....and girls' basketball is as popular as sports get. Nearly every college and highschool in the US features girls' basketball so the pool of players to pick from is huge. People don't care to watch women's sports in general, including women. They won't even support their own basketball league, hence why they have yet to turn a profit and completely rely on subsidies from the NBA.

I'm all for being inclusive but if you've got a sport where both men and women compete, the men's league will always be more exciting due to the nature of our physiology. Strength, speed, coordination, depth perception, and just plane old hormone profiles will create deeper and more compelling levels of competition between men. The weird thing about female sports(especially individual sports) is that the most masculine woman typically wins.

New generations of young people getting into the sport will help increase the talent pool due to sheer numbers, but we aren't able to fast track hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and sexual dimorphism in order to equal things up. Everyone should have a space to compete but it's up to the consumer to decide what they want to see. WME is pushing something that isn't being received all that well. The can continue to push but that doesn't mean people will be receptive, just like the WNBA.

There are some sports that can be more entertaining depending on who is performing it. You mentioned the expertise of Shaun White when doing moves in the half pipe and how looking at a female snowboarder afterwards, doesn’t impress you anymore, because none from that sex have been able to pull off quite what he has.

There may be an objective truth to the moves that he is doing being above what any woman has done so far, but there is some subjective nature to whether or not you are still impressed by what you are seeing from female athletes and for that matter, the male athletes that aren’t as good as Mr. White.

I have been a martial artist for 31 years. I have trained in traditional Dojo‘s, modern studios, and gyms. In doing so, I have seen many sessions of female kumite, women on men grappling, and tournaments filled with a true variety of competitors. This goes from kids to adults, disabled to athletic, and so on.

I love fighting so much and watching MMA that to me, I go for it all. I do understand other peoples’ opinions on women’s MMA, but I am for it and would like to see it continue.

When it comes to football however, I enjoy watching the top athletes play in the NFL far more than college football. Going further down, I don’t watch any high school or youth football. The interest isn’t there for me partially due to the athleticism not being worth my time, because though I appreciate it, it’s not to as high of a standard as I would like to see. Another reason, however, is because I am not so much of a fan of the sport that I need all of it.

I am a big MMA guy, including a fan of traditional martial arts on their own. This is the stuff that I really love and this is why I want to watch it all, men and women alike. But everyone’s different and that’s cool.

 

[Paul Gale]

I like that opinion but a big hole in that opinion is the genetic difference between a male and a female. When it comes to FIGHTING. Those genetics make a massive difference, especially in entertainment.

There is a genetic difference but I still enjoy the root of the sport so much that regardless who is fighting, I will tune in. I see where others are at, however. I know people that are the same way when it comes to film and entertainment. They will go see Batman, Aquaman, Superman, Iron Man, and Captain America in movie theaters…Day One, but don’t find the appeal in heading out to see Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel.

I don’t necessarily see women’s mixed martial arts going away…so for those of us that like it, awesome. For those that don’t, hopefully it continues to improve to one day meeting your expectations.

 

[beastman]

Shevchenko is entertaining fighter? Maybe when she is dancing. Problem with wmma is also fans not able to think via bigger head, just using small one in pants.

Shevchenko has really good technique and skills, I find her entertaining. If you don't, that's fine

 

[HerpDerp]

Just wanted to quote a post from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, but wants to talk anyway.

AKA an idiot... well, his username is 'HerpDerp'...

You're free to educate me if that's how you feel.

 

[kuka45]

Shevchenko has really good technique and skills, I find her entertaining. If you don't, that's fine

That's ok, good for you.

 

[AnimalMutha]

I like wmma fights, especially half way through the main card.

Gives me time to score up one more bag.

 

[MadDude]

That game is utter trash based on the character selection alone. Apex is a SJW fantasy.

Ok boss.

you could come play with me , select a male character and shoot waaman to feel like a true mgtow redpilled alphamale or something.

 

[BrazilPitbullUS]

so did you crush bellator and strikeforce and rizin and lfa and pfl as well for that.

I don't understand the question?

 

[BrazilPitbullUS]

Well i'll say this its refreshing to make a post speaking up against women's mma in the UFC and have most agree with me. Again I love women i'm as open minded and calm is anyone. UFC has always been sacred to me, i've missed a handful of UFC's since around UFC 30. Started watching when I was 11 back in 93, watched on and off during the dark years then got balls deep around 2000 when I started training bjj. Its just never made sense to me, Dana White himself said the only reason why they started the women's division is Ronda Rousey and we all know what happend to her. I use this analogy a lot because I think most USA fans can relate to football sunday. Imagine on thanksgiving we have the Lions vs the Bears in the afternoon and the at night we just had to watch women play a football game like it was the same thing. Football is football right, they put the same rules as the men and we're just not supposse to blink a eye and except the women's football game. I know the mma media is afraid to talk about this so its up to the people to be heard, maybe this is something we can actually help control. Again i'll watch the UFC till the the day I die women or not but its a better product if we can respect the women but just keep it seperated.

 

[snackgod]

I don't understand the question?

ufc not the only place that had and do have womans fighting.

 

[3Aims]

I need to go through 20 minutes of that while waiting to see a fight.

Is anyone here not on the edge of their seat watching? Why does the UFC insist on pushing this down their throats?

Edited. You get why now?