Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v5: Primary Season Begins

Who do you support most out of the remaining Democratic candidates?

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Tulsi and Steyer are the obvious ones, but apparently somehow Steyer requalified for the next dem debate

Who the fuck is out there voting for Steyer in polls?

Steyer has bought quite a bit of ads, particularly in South Carolina, and still has that "anti-Trump billionaire" appeal like Bloomberg, with the added feature of not completely lacking charisma and apparent sincerity like Bloomberg.
 
The establishment Democrats are scrambling to defeat Sanders. Running internal attack polling and congregating to come up with strategies to sink his campaign.

As Bernie Sanders’s momentum builds, down-ballot Democrats move to distance themselves
"The moderate think tank Third Way has urged the presidential candidates to train their fire on Sanders at Tuesday’s South Carolina debate, issuing a memo that cites a recent Gallup survey that found 51 percent of independents would not vote for a self-described socialist for president.

“The suburbs are not looking for a revolution,” said Matt Bennett, co-founder of Third Way. “They want change, for sure. Many of them loathe Trump with a burning passion, but they do not want somebody who is proposing to double the size of the federal government. They do not want somebody who is proposing to take away the health care of 180 million people.” (...)

Bennett said the past few weeks have seen an explosion of private conversations about how to reckon with — and potentially mitigate — a Sanders nomination. On Capitol Hill, Democrats have been circulating an unflattering private poll paid for by a rival presidential candidate that tests negative messages against Sanders among voters in six presidential swing states.

“Bernie Sanders is a socialist who supports un-American, big government plans that will spend trillions of dollars, lead to higher taxes, and destroy our way of life,” reads one line of the polling test. The poll does not test Sanders’s rebuttal to such an attack."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elec...crats-move-to-distance-themselves/ar-BB10hEzp

Next, this might be a little outside the bounds of the thread, but it highlights what we've been talking about in regards to how this is not only a left vs right difference, but a class divide. Pelosi and the Koch network is joining forces to beat progressive challenger to democratic centrist incumbent:

Fierce S. Texas race brings together Pelosi and the Koch network as the left targets Henry Cuellar
"Millions in outside spending have poured in as abortion-rights groups, unions and progressive groups pitch in for the 26-year-old challenger, Jessica Cisneros.

The incumbent, a 64-year-old pro-gun, pro-trade centrist who hasn’t had a serious challenge since winning the seat 15 years ago, is getting help from one of the most peculiar alliances in memory, a team that includes Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the party’s House campaign arm and, startlingly, the donor network created by the ultra-conservative Koch brothers.

“It’s unbelievable the amount of money being spent on the campaign,” said Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz"

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...h-brothers-as-the-left-targets-henry-cuellar/
 
Ironic piece by CNN is ironic.

What is MSNBC's problem with Bernie Sanders?
New York (CNN Business)A version of this article first appeared in the "Reliable Sources" newsletter.

Bernie Sanders' big win in Nevada over the weekend highlighted the hostility between his campaign and MSNBC, the network with a progressive brand but an establishment bent.
The campaign continued to criticize the network over the weekend — in response to highly controversial remarks by Chris Matthews and others. One MSNBC regular, Anand Giridharadas, called out Matthews on the air and said "something is happening in America right now that actually does not fit our mental models. It certainly doesn't fit the mental models of a lot of people on TV."
So I'm wondering: Is this the big media story of the 2020 race?
In 2016, all roads led to Trump, who frequently sparred with Fox News despite all of the natural overlaps between the Fox audience and the Trump base. Something similar, though not the same, is happening now with Sanders and MSNBC. Page Six reported Friday night that Sanders loudly criticized NBC and MSNBC officials before last week's Dem debate. According to the story, Sanders approached MSNBC president Phil Griffin and said "Phil, your network has not been playing a fair role in this campaign. I am upset. Is anything going to change?"

What Matthews said
When Sanders took an early lead in Saturday's NV caucuses, Matthews likened it "to the shock of France falling to Germany during WWII," as The Daily Beast wrote here. This analogy placed Sanders in the shoes of Nazi soldiers. Sanders comms director Mike Casca tweeted this in response: "Never thought part of my job would be pleading with a national news network to stop likening the campaign of a Jewish presidential candidate whose family was wiped out by the Nazis to the Third Reich."

What Giridharadas said
Sanders' wins are a "wake-up moment for the American power establishment," he said on "AM Joy" Sunday morning. "For Michael Bloomberg, to those of us in the media, to Democratic Party, to donors, to CEOs. Many in this establishment are behaving, in my view, as they face the prospect of a Bernie Sanders nomination, like out-of-touch aristocrats in a dying aristocracy." Instead, he said, they should be asking "Why is this happening? What is going on in the lives of my fellow citizens that they may be voting for something I find so hard to understand?"

Giridharadas, a paid contributor to NBC and MSNBC, then asked, "Why is Chris Matthews on this air talking about the victory of Bernie Sanders, who had kin murdered in the Holocaust, analogizing it to the Nazi conquest of France? The people who are stuck in an old way of thinking, in 20th century frameworks, in gulag thinking, are missing what is going on." MSNBC declined to comment...
→ Marie Harf said on Fox that Matthews should "personally apologize to Bernie Sanders..."

The view from Sanders HQ
"I think one of the big questions is how and whether news outlets reassess whether they got it right on Bernie," campaign manager Faiz Shakir told me Sunday. "And if not, how does that change coverage going forward? What are they missing about Bernie's appeal?"
Shakir has called out MSNBC by name and challenged print outlets that, in his view, have been exceedingly negative. The more delegates Sanders gains, the more of a megaphone Shakir has regarding this subject...

FOR THE RECORD
-- CNN's political pros have 6 takeaways from the caucuses here... (CNN)
-- CNN's David Chalian explaining the delegate math that favors Sanders: "It's getting late early..." (Mediaite)
-- "Meet the Press" moderator Chuck Todd: "If nobody drops out before Super Tuesday, is it even possible to stop Bernie Sanders?" Dan Pfeiffer: "I do not believe it is." (MTP)
-- During CNN's coverage on Saturday, Van Jones cited Latino and youth support for Sanders: "You got a new generation stepping up. They're not scared of any of these ideas and they're tired of hearing Republicans calling everything we say socialist. They ruined the word socialist..." (Beast)
-- Read more of Sunday's "Reliable Sources" newsletter...
-- WaPo's Page One headline on Monday: "Sanders's ascent forces a reckoning for Democrats..." (WaPo)
-- Coming up: "Sanders plans to be up on the air with commercials in every South Carolina media market this week, and his staff is scrambling to add new rallies to his schedule as they take aim at their next big target:" overtaking Joe Biden... (NYT)

Sanders cites CBS polls
Per CNN's Annie Grayer, Sanders did something on Sunday that's unusual for him: He read poll numbers aloud at a rally. "Some of the folks in the corporate media are getting a little bit nervous," he told supporters in Houston. "They say, you know, Bernie can't beat Trump. So let's look at some of the polls out today."
Sanders read results from Sunday morning's new CBS/YouGov poll that showed him beating Trump in a general election match-up and in key battleground states...

The view from Jacobin
Jacobin, the leading socialist magazine in the US, published a piece after the Nevada "blowout" that said "face it, establishment Democrats — it's his party now."
Jacobin has been allied with Sanders for years. The mag's publisher Bhaskar Sunkara told me, "I think the key is that the Never Bernie wave won't materialize. Most Dems like him and his lead is growing. They'll reconcile themselves to him just like Republican media to Trump." Sunkara's prediction: "Bernie will be just a regular Dem candidate which fits his actual profile -- not radical but someone who's been in Washington for a long time and who proposes popular economic and social reforms."
Sunkara said web traffic to Jacobin "is up year over year around 60 percent." Print subscriptions are up 40 percent year over year. "People are really dialed in right now," he said...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/media/bernie-sanders-media-reliable-sources/index.html
 
Not looking forward to having this creep around for the next 40 years.
the silver lining with pete is he's boxed in. Either go fulltime consultant or be an upgrade in Indiana for congress or Senate. On a national level Bernie's lane is the path going forward and he's made his bed in this seachange election

Either way someone so arrogant who has not dealt with their delusion or aggression while doing his best obama impersonation is cosmically hilarious if we can get over our revulsion to the shithead

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Some insight on the strategy that lead to the Nevada win. I've said it before, but for anyone who's been following the campaign, Chuck Rocha has done some amazing work. I honestly think that he deserves most of the credit for the latino vote being so strong with Sanders.

 
Berniezuela, here we come.........roflmao!.....just kidding.....whats the over/under on him? 10 states? I'd take the under.
 
Wow...is Bernie trying to sabotage his own campaign or is he just so crazy that he thinks a majority of Americans will go for some of these specific proposals? He was better of just spouting socialist platitudes/...fooling young millennials....these specifics will torpedo him IMO: (doesn't really bother me...I just think a Trump v Bernie General Election would be epic)

Bernie Sanders reveals 'major plans' to be funded by new taxes, massive lawsuits, military cuts
Bernie Sanders unexpectedly released a fact-sheet Monday night explaining that he'd pay for his sweeping new government programs through new taxes and massive lawsuits against the fossil fuel industry, as well as by slashing spending on the military, among other methods.
The move sought to head off complaints from Republicans and some rival Democrats that his plans were economically unrealistic, especially after a head-turning CBS News interview in which the frustrated Vermont senator said he couldn't "rattle off to you every nickle and every dime" about his proposed expenditures.
He released his plan on his website just minutes after promising to do so during a CNN town hall.
However, the fact-sheet highlighted for the first time that many of Sanders' expected cost-saving measures relied on conjecture and best-case scenarios. For example, Sanders' document asserts that a "modest tax on Wall Street speculation ... will raise an estimated $2.4 trillion over ten years" and, in one fell swoop, make all "public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free ... and cancel all student debt over the next decade."
The proposal specifically would place a "0.5 percent tax on stock trades – 50 cents on every $100 of stock – a 0.1 percent fee on bond trades, and a 0.005 percent fee on derivative trades."
The National Review has likened a tax on so-called "Wall Street speculation" to a de facto tax on savings, saying the Sanders plan "would mean paying $25 to the federal government every time you traded $5,000 worth of stock — or five times what you’d pay the typical online brokerage in fees. ... Over the long term, that imposes serious costs on actively traded funds such as the ones containing many Americans’ retirement funds."


...Sanders claimed to be able to raise "$3.085 trillion by making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies." He has repeatedly suggested on the campaign trail that he would direct the Justice Department to pursue the fossil fuel industry, although it was unclear how successful that legal strategy would be.

...Reducing defense spending by "$1.215 trillion" would be achievable by "scaling back military operations on protecting the global oil supply," Sanders' fact-sheet continued.

...As the numbers were released, Sanders doubled down on his comments praising Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's "literacy program," saying it was a positive outcome from the violent Cuban Revolution that literacy rates quickly rose.
 
Steyer has bought quite a bit of ads, particularly in South Carolina, and still has that "anti-Trump billionaire" appeal like Bloomberg, with the added feature of not completely lacking charisma and apparent sincerity like Bloomberg.
This is true, I've been hearing Steyer ads for a couple of months on the radio stations and I listen to the R&B/Hip Hop station.
 
Wow...is Bernie trying to sabotage his own campaign or is he just so crazy that he thinks a majority of Americans will go for some of these specific proposals? He was better of just spouting socialist platitudes/...fooling young millennials....these specifics will torpedo him IMO: (doesn't really bother me...I just think a Trump v Bernie General Election would be epic)

Bernie Sanders reveals 'major plans' to be funded by new taxes, massive lawsuits, military cuts
Bernie Sanders unexpectedly released a fact-sheet Monday night explaining that he'd pay for his sweeping new government programs through new taxes and massive lawsuits against the fossil fuel industry, as well as by slashing spending on the military, among other methods.
The move sought to head off complaints from Republicans and some rival Democrats that his plans were economically unrealistic, especially after a head-turning CBS News interview in which the frustrated Vermont senator said he couldn't "rattle off to you every nickle and every dime" about his proposed expenditures.
He released his plan on his website just minutes after promising to do so during a CNN town hall.
However, the fact-sheet highlighted for the first time that many of Sanders' expected cost-saving measures relied on conjecture and best-case scenarios. For example, Sanders' document asserts that a "modest tax on Wall Street speculation ... will raise an estimated $2.4 trillion over ten years" and, in one fell swoop, make all "public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free ... and cancel all student debt over the next decade."
The proposal specifically would place a "0.5 percent tax on stock trades – 50 cents on every $100 of stock – a 0.1 percent fee on bond trades, and a 0.005 percent fee on derivative trades."
The National Review has likened a tax on so-called "Wall Street speculation" to a de facto tax on savings, saying the Sanders plan "would mean paying $25 to the federal government every time you traded $5,000 worth of stock — or five times what you’d pay the typical online brokerage in fees. ... Over the long term, that imposes serious costs on actively traded funds such as the ones containing many Americans’ retirement funds."


...Sanders claimed to be able to raise "$3.085 trillion by making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies." He has repeatedly suggested on the campaign trail that he would direct the Justice Department to pursue the fossil fuel industry, although it was unclear how successful that legal strategy would be.

...Reducing defense spending by "$1.215 trillion" would be achievable by "scaling back military operations on protecting the global oil supply," Sanders' fact-sheet continued.

...As the numbers were released, Sanders doubled down on his comments praising Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's "literacy program," saying it was a positive outcome from the violent Cuban Revolution that literacy rates quickly rose.

He plans on paying for the poor people HC and College by destroying thousands of jobs, making our military weak, and taxing the rich so hard they leave the country...? Surely this will get him elected. He is going to be eaten alive tonight.
 
Here is a great summary video of how many in the Mainstream media are doing everything they can to rationalize away Bernie's success, as not success, and to instead applaud everyone else for lesser results.

 
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