Can't think of a top caliber fighter like Tony with such a crappy stand up

[Hazuki Ryo]

Of course i'm talking about modern era. We are far from days where a jiu jitsu guy could become champion with no good striking skillset.

What is unsual with a guy like Tony is despite all the progress that has been made in the professionalism in MMA, the guy does not seem to care about implementing basic striking fundamentals.

Don't get me wrong, he is great. He is unpredictable and relentless with his offense. But let's be real, from a technical point of view, he's not a good striker.
He fights with his chin up, hands down, gets countered easily, and has been knocked down quite a few times.

What makes him stand out is definitely his unbelievable cardio, his crafty ground game and his ability to transition well from standing to ground position.

What astonishes me is that he hasn't been ko'd before. I guess if you add to his cardio his iron chin, there's nothing his opponent can really do.

A bad match up would be a prime bendo, edgar, or khabib obviously. A good wrestler that can follow his pace and control him on the ground without being overwhelmed with his advancing.
Because i don't know if ANY of the fighters in ufc match his cardio..

I guess what i want to say is that it's so uncommon to find such a top fighter not being well rounded

 

[Thesnake101]

Sloppy is the word you're looking for, his striking is far from crappy considering he's forced guys like Barboza to become wrestlers. He's just not defensively minded.

 

[WendalClark17]

What about Khabib?

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

What about Khabib?

I think we have seen in the iaquinta fight that it's not that bad. Still better boxing than tony. I know there's the feart of the takedown but still

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

Sloppy is the word you're looking for, his striking is far from crappy considering he's forced guys like Barboza to become wrestlers. He's just not defensively minded.

What forced guys like barboza to wrestle is to catch a break. His pace makes it very difficult to trade blows for a full round. That's why i say a good wrestler is his weakness

 

[flowoftruth]

What about Khabib?

28 professional fights he hasn't been marked up yet

 

[Reach4theSky]

What makes him stand out is definitely his unbelievable cardio, his crafty ground game and his hability to transition well from standing to ground position.

You forgot his will to win and not giving a fck. His mental game is strong which makes him stand out among the others. There's no quit in him..

 

[revoltub]

 

[Thesnake101]

What forced guys like barboza to wrestle is to catch a break. His pace makes it very difficult to trade blows for a full round. That's why i say a good wrestler is his weakness

Thing is, the pressure worked because of his striking. A lesser striker goes forward and gets picked apart by Edson.

 

[AlanGregson]

Wonder why u wouldnt use any of his current fights as gif's, prob because he's made amazing improvment in his boxing and defense, jabbed iaqunta's face in, stood with conrad and did just fine, best defense in the LW division, elite strikers cant get a read on him.

 

[Iron Skin]

Then K1 Khabib was born some months later

 

[revoltub]

Wonder why u wouldnt use any of his current fights as gif's, prob because he's made amazing improvment in his boxing and defense, jabbed iaqunta's face in, stood with conrad and did just fine, best defense in the LW division, elite strikers cant get a read on him.

 

[BlessedSoldier]

His striking isn’t crappy, it’s unorthodox, dynamic and unpredictable. He uses elbows, knees, pretty much everything.

 

[chinarice]

Of course i'm talking about modern era. We are far from days where a jiu jitsu guy could become champion with no good striking skillset.

What is unsual with a guy like Tony is despite all the progress that has been made in the professionalism in MMA, the guy does not seem to care about implementing basic striking fundamentals.

Don't get me wrong, the kid is great. He is unpredictable and relentless with his offense. But let's be real, from a technical point of view, he's not a good striker.
He fights with his chin up, hands down, gets countered easily, and has been knocked down quite a few times.

What makes him stand out is definitely his unbelievable cardio, his crafty ground game and his ability to transition well from standing to ground position.

What astonishes me is that he hasn't been ko'd before. I guess if you add to his cardio his iron chin, there's nothing his opponent can really do.

A bad match up would be a prime bendo, edgar, or khabib obviously. A good wrestler that can follow his pace and control him on the ground without being overwhelmed with his advancing.
Because i don't know if ANY of the fighters in ufc match his cardio..

I guess what i want to say is that it's so uncommon to find such a top fighter not being well rounded

..... You haven't watched Khabib fight? Tony has far better striking offense than Khabib lol

 

[contrail]

His jab is like a damn spear, GSP-esque, throws it very well. Impressive diversity as well - he comes from weird angles with even basic strikes. Far from crappy. I think he's one of the most effective strikers in the division. Look at the damage he does to faces and that is clear.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

That’s because guys who rely on their chin and durability don’t last long.

 

[FrankDux]

Lol what a silly thread. Guys with a crappy stand up don't do this to their opponents. Just because it's unorthodox doesn't mean it's crappy.

 

[Greta]

"Kid"? He's closer to 40 than 30...

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

Lol what a silly thread. Guys with a crappy stand up don't do this to their opponents. Just because it's unorthodox doesn't mean it's crappy.

You know very well that it's because he tires his opponents out and keep coming with shots.

Take off his cardio and the result might be significantly different. I know it's a big stretch, but i wanted to point out how big of a factor his endurance was.

And don't tell me his striking doesn't have huge holes..

 

[FrankDux]

You know very well that it's because he tires his opponents out and keep coming with shots.

Take off his cardio and the result might be significantly different. I know it's a big stretch, but i wanted to point out how big of a factor his endurance was.

And don't tell me his striking doesn't have huge holes..

Is this game we're going to play lol: "Take away his (insert whatever)"

Take away Khabib's legs and...

Take away Vitor's hands...

Take away Cro Cop's kicks...

Take away Couture's wrestling...

Take away Ngannou's hands...

Such a dumb game to play. And BTW, no one in this thread or anywhere has ever insinuated Tony doesn't have holes in his stand up. People are just defending comments like "his stand up is crappy".