Tony Ferguson - top 5 lightweight in UFC history?

[MartinGibson86]

Yes.

With that said he was lucky to beat diseased Lee and is ducking Khabib like crazy. Far superior to Caner. Def top 5. So is Bendo imo.

Ducking Khabib???


Doesn't want a tifle shot?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

For me it’s more who win and to whom you lost. No shame in losing to Khabib as he is clearly #1. I also consider Dustin and Cowboy top 10 LW. Eddie and Nate somewhere top 15. Based on Conor’s performances against these guys, I say he is top5

I would consider Dustin top 10, but I would consider him pre-prime when he fought Conor, he was a very good fighter at that point but hadn't really come into his own yet. Cerrone I would have top 15, but not top 10. I don't think he performed anywhere near as well against Nate as RDA or Thomson did, for example.

 

[GOATtalks]

Leon Edward is currently on an 8 fight UFC win streak at the moment... who cares? Does this make him a top 5 WW of all time? If you aren't beating the top fighters of the division consistently, your win streak is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Did you see his fight against Usman? It was very competitive and Edwards could beat anyone at WW. And WW is absolutely the best it has ever been. 8 win streak is super impressive and if he could get 4 more, he would definitely be in the discussion as all time great at WW. That would mean he would win guys like Usman, Woodley, Colby and Masvidal

 

[Taric]

he would definitely be in the discussion as all time great at WW.

you are literally the worst

 

[Steve Fox]

Look at him. Look at how he fights. Look at how his opponents look like amateurs past round 3..

It doesn't matter if he goes through trouble. El Cucuy just wins and he was born to fight, Tony is a fightning genius and a whooole different animal.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Their is absoloutly no reason to put Khabib in without Tony until 1 of them loses or they fight. That's the greatest lightweight of this era. Glad you put Benson in. Him BJ edgar do deserve to be there , I think whoever wins between Tony Khabib goes right to 1.

 

[GOATtalks]

you are literally the worst

Well he wouldn’t be the best but arguably top 5. Based where his ranked now 4 more fights would mean title fights and title defences.
GSP is clearly #1, but who do we have next? Hughes, Woodley, BJ, Usman, Hendricks?
If Leon would beat Woodley and Usman becoming the champ and defending say against Colby and Mas, why shouldn’t he be considered top5?

 

[Hannibal Lector]

Skill wise or greatness/legacy, because those are two different things!

Whenever this discussion gets brung up, everyone leans towards skull more than legacy for whatever reason.

 

[vanillaisis]

Prime RDA, Conor, Dustin, Barboza, add on the dominance and being undefeated. Please try to compare BJs 4 best wins at LW to Khabib.

When did I ever say anything about BJ? Speaking of, BJ beat a Prime Matt Hughes at WW. Anyway, just saying it's close between Khabib and Tony. The quality of their wins are very similar.

 

[Masturbin]

Skill wise or greatness/legacy, because those are two different things!

Whenever this discussion gets brung up, everyone leans towards skull more than legacy for whatever reason.

If I lean towards skull tito is the goat

 

[GOATtalks]

Skill wise or greatness/legacy, because those are two different things!

Whenever this discussion gets brung up, everyone leans towards skull more than legacy for whatever reason.

Because in some era you can have shit competition, like LW 10 years ago and stacked killer division like now. The paths to title are also different. BJ got his 1st title shot in his 4th pro fight. Tony has beat up everyone and still might end up without a title shot. Actually who you won and whom you lost to should matter the most

 

[Noraaq]

When did I ever say anything about BJ? Speaking of, BJ beat a Prime Matt Hughes at WW. Anyway, just saying it's close between Khabib and Tony. The quality of their wins are very similar.

None of Tony’s wins are as good as Conor or Dustin. Tony’s best win is RDA coming off of a TKO loss to Eddie. He beat a very shopworn Pettis and Cowboy, the rest of his wins are similar to khabibs.

Penn beating Hughes was impressive but like you said, it was at WW

1. Khabib
2-3 Tony/penn

 

[cmw43]

Leon Edward is currently on an 8 fight UFC win streak at the moment... who cares? Does this make him a top 5 WW of all time? If you aren't beating the top fighters of the division consistently, your win streak is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Tony is beating the top fighters of the division, his top wins are very comparable to Khabibs.

Khabibs top wins:

• Dos Anjos (former champ)
• Barboza
• Connor (former champ)
• Poirier
• Iaquinta

Tony's top wins:

• Dos Anjos (former champ)
• Barboza
• Pettis (former champ)
• Cowboy
• Kevin Lee

It's pretty much neck and neck really, also Tony finished 4 of those guys.

 

[BFoe]

Conor won the 2nd Nate fight. He is 4-2 against top LW and I could care less at which weight they were contested.
W Dustin
L Diaz
W Diaz
W Eddie
L Khabib
W Cowboy

What weight it was contested at matters though. I never felt like he won the 2nd Nate fight, but it was very close and the record books say what they say. Even with your very, very generous 4-2 record, that’s nothing. To be an all time LW? At 4-2 (really 1-1, plus 2-1 against LWs without cutting weight)?? That’s just crazy, man. RDA accomplished way more than that. Pettis accomplished way more than that. Sherk accomplished way more.

and that’s just in the UFC. If we were talking all time, any org, Conor is lucky to be top 20 at LW.

 

[fedoriswar37]

What are you counting Tony's prime as? He's on an 8 year 12 fight unbeaten streak.

No one in UFC history has been on a win streak anywhere near this long without fighting for the title.

His strength of schedule is very comparable to Khabib's, they even have a common opponents who Tony finished that Khabib took to decision like Tibau and Barboza.

This. Theres also the fact that he destroys people. Watching him fight helps his cause too.

 

[BFoe]

None of Tony’s wins are as good as Conor or Dustin. Tony’s best win is RDA coming off of a TKO loss to Eddie. He beat a very shopworn Pettis and Cowboy, the rest of his wins are similar to khabibs.

Penn beating Hughes was impressive but like you said, it was at WW

1. Khabib
2-3 Tony/penn

Shouldn’t moving up any being successful count for something? I mean, it is sort of an intangible. But like my Sherk example earlier. If you’re a 155er and you move up to 170 and beat Nick Diaz, that should count for something. If you’re BJ and you move up and hold a welterweight title, that should count for something,

 

[GOATtalks]

What weight it was contested at matters though. I never felt like he won the 2nd Nate fight, but it was very close and the record books say what they say. Even with your very, very generous 4-2 record, that’s nothing. To be an all time LW? At 4-2 (really 1-1, plus 2-1 against LWs without cutting weight)?? That’s just crazy, man. RDA accomplished way more than that. Pettis accomplished way more than that. Sherk accomplished way more.

and that’s just in the UFC. If we were talking all time, any org, Conor is lucky to be top 20 at LW.

I’m basing it also on skill level. Conor easily could be the best ever striker at LW, so that also bumps him up a few spots in my eyes. Surely he doesn’t have the resume to be top 5 LW or maybe even not top 10, but skill wise I bet he’s up there

 

[fedoriswar37]

I would consider Dustin top 10, but I would consider him pre-prime when he fought Conor, he was a very good fighter at that point but hadn't really come into his own yet. Cerrone I would have top 15, but not top 10. I don't think he performed anywhere near as well against Nate as RDA or Thomson did, for example.

Lol this guys trying to use a featherweight fight vs Dustin 6 years and 12 fights ago for Dustin as an example of Conors ability at LW

 

[Taric]

Tony is beating the top fighters of the division, his top wins are very comparable to Khabibs.

Khabibs top wins:

• Dos Anjos (former champ)
• Barboza
• Connor (former champ)
• Poirier
• Iaquinta

Tony's top wins:

• Dos Anjos (former champ)
• Barboza
• Pettis (former champ)
• Cowboy
• Kevin Lee

It's pretty much neck and neck really, also Tony finished 4 of those guys.

Khabib
4 top 5 victories in RDA (#5), Barboza (#4), Conor (#2), and Poirier (#2)
2 top 10 victories in Healy (#10) and Johnson (#6)

vs

Ferguson
2 top 5 victories in RDA (#2) and Cerrone (#4)
4 top 10 victories in Lee (#7), Barboza (#6), Thompson (#9), and Pettis (#8)

Happy to help.

 

[Noraaq]

Shouldn’t moving up any being successful count for something? I mean, it is sort of an intangible. But like my Sherk example earlier. If you’re a 155er and you move up to 170 and beat Nick Diaz, that should count for something. If you’re BJ and you move up and hold a welterweight title, that should count for something,

It does and BJ is an ATG p4p fighter but his accolades in the LW division are sorta overrated. His best win at LW is Gomi, the other guys like Joe daddy, Florian, Diego, and uno are overrated.