Running in mma is not requisite.

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Of course, running can give you incredible cardio : if you do a combination of sprinting and aerobic running, you might be ok with going the distance.
But I personally think swimming can give you supreme cardio too, as it ramps up your heart rate quite as much.
Of course, you ain't getting the benefits of standing upright or strenghtening your bones, but on the other hand you don't injure yourself and work upper body strength and flexibility.
Of course, you have to do it correctly. If you replace solid 5 miles runs and hill sprints by 10 sloppy laps, it ain't gonna work for you. But if you do some long swims with some accelerations inbetween, and end up your workout with a 10*50m butterfly, it can be great.

You gonna tell me that fighters who don't run because of fucked up knees tend to have shitty cardio (Conor, Rua etc.) I can name you as much fighters that don't run (like Usman) who have great cardio.
I think it has more to do with genetics: some guys (like Conor) are most fast twitch type of athletes (which give them this insane Ko power) while others are more slow twitch athletes (and thus are often pillow fisted).

From my own experience, I used to be a pretty good runner as a teenager/young adult (had a 35 min 10k).
This cardio carried well to mma and bjj, where I was a Diaz bros type of fighter, simply never getting tired... combat sports felt so easy cardiowise compared to running. Unfortunately, I had to stop running because of multiple knee injuries. So I replaced the 4 running sessions a week by 4 swimming sessions, and bought a heavy bag, in order to do 15 min dutch drills every day (like 1-2 left kick, non stop for 2 minutes)
In the first place I was completely despaired and thought I had lost my best option to have good cardio. But, now, after 10 years of not running AT ALL, I am glad this happened to me. My cardio is as good as it was (maybe slightly diminished because it's harder to get to those 190 bpm's by swimming, but it's very very infinitesimal), I have way more strength in the upper body, great shoulder flexibility (which helps to surive kimuras...), and feel injury free and loose. Moreover, the dutch drills gave me mma specific muscular endurance, which running wouldn't have given me.

To sum this up, there are many ways to work on cardio. Dutch drills combined with swimming are my favourite ones, but the rowing machine and bike are other good ones. Of course, I would like to squeeze in some hill sprints or a good 5k from time to time, because running remains a great way to work on cardio, but it isn't requisite.


Just my thoughts, what do you think about it?
 
I think you're looking for the Ironman forum
 
Running is better than not running. Cardio can be done many ways but depends what are you trying to achieve. Muay Thai fighters swear by it. We would do 6kms before a 2 hour training sesh in Phuket. I was fuct but they loved it.
 
You are talking to a bunch of people that are incapable of running or swimming.
 
Running is boring
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Running is literally a leftover from when that’s all they had. Like the 1900s. There was no science involved, and the only real thing to improve cardio as far as they knew, was running.

Come on now. How much running did the GOAT do? And pick your GOAT. The answer will be the same.

Not much.
 
You are talking to a bunch of people that are incapable of running or swimming.
I bet a few sprint to the kitchen when grandma stocks up on Doritos and Mountain Dew.
 
I'm far too stoned too read any of that, but I'm pretty sure I disagree.
 
I think you're looking for the Ironman forum
Lol
Actually, I really want to know what your experience with running and cardio is.
I think too many fighters are obsessed with running. I somehow get it for boxing (12 rounds) but for mma, it doesn't seem accurate, as you also need some strength to engage in the grappling contest, and I guarantee you running a lot is gonna take away a lot of strength (I have nothing to back this up but my own experience, I know, but there is also a reason why runners tend to look like anoxeric children...)
 
Running is better than not running. Cardio can be done many ways but depends what are you trying to achieve. Muay Thai fighters swear by it. We would do 6kms before a 2 hour training sesh in Phuket. I was fuct but they loved it.
I think it's a leftover from the past, as running was the only thing they know to improve cardio.
Moreover, they have no other choice as most guys in 3rdworld countries can't swim and that other forms of cardio machines are too expensive.
 
Running is literally a leftover from when that’s all they had. Like the 1900s. There was no science involved, and the only real thing to improve cardio as far as they knew, was running.

Come on now. How much running did the GOAT do? And pick your GOAT. The answer will be the same.

Not much.

Floyd does heaps of running and he knocked out Counnaur.
 
There is now though. Bet if you had a decent trainer you would improve dramatically.
Running is still a great way to improve cardio but it shouldn't be the only one, and even if running is out of the equation, there are still plenty of other things left for cardio.
 
Of course, running can give you incredible cardio : if you do a combination of sprinting and aerobic running, you might be ok with going the distance.
But I personally think swimming can give you supreme cardio too, as it ramps up your heart rate quite as much.
Of course, you ain't getting the benefits of standing upright or strenghtening your bones, but on the other hand you don't injure yourself and work upper body strength and flexibility.
Of course, you have to do it correctly. If you replace solid 5 miles runs and hill sprints by 10 sloppy laps, it ain't gonna work for you. But if you do some long swims with some accelerations inbetween, and end up your workout with a 10*50m butterfly, it can be great.

You gonna tell me that fighters who don't run because of fucked up knees tend to have shitty cardio (Conor, Rua etc.) I can name you as much fighters that don't run (like Usman) who have great cardio.
I think it has more to do with genetics: some guys (like Conor) are most fast twitch type of athletes (which give them this insane Ko power) while others are more slow twitch athletes (and thus are often pillow fisted).

From my own experience, I used to be a pretty good runner as a teenager/young adult (had a 35 min 10k).
This cardio carried well to mma and bjj, where I was a Diaz bros type of fighter, simply never getting tired... combat sports felt so easy cardiowise compared to running. Unfortunately, I had to stop running because of multiple knee injuries. So I replaced the 4 running sessions a week by 4 swimming sessions, and bought a heavy bag, in order to do 15 min dutch drills every day (like 1-2 left kick, non stop for 2 minutes)
In the first place I was completely despaired and thought I had lost my best option to have good cardio. But, now, after 10 years of not running AT ALL, I am glad this happened to me. My cardio is as good as it was (maybe slightly diminished because it's harder to get to those 190 bpm's by swimming, but it's very very infinitesimal), I have way more strength in the upper body, great shoulder flexibility (which helps to surive kimuras...), and feel injury free and loose. Moreover, the dutch drills gave me mma specific muscular endurance, which running wouldn't have given me.

To sum this up, there are many ways to work on cardio. Dutch drills combined with swimming are my favourite ones, but the rowing machine and bike are other good ones. Of course, I would like to squeeze in some hill sprints or a good 5k from time to time, because running remains a great way to work on cardio, but it isn't requisite.


Just my thoughts, what do you think about it?
Tons of fighters have amazing cardio and don't run. Sports are specific, to get better cardio at your sport do your sport or things closely related for cardio ie. Live, sparring, drilling, grappling, hitting mitts, Thai pads , heavy bag, etc
 
I think it's a leftover from the past, as running was the only thing they know to improve cardio.
Moreover, they have no other choice as most guys in 3rdworld countries can't swim and that other forms of cardio machines are too expensive.
Boxers still do it. I prefer the open air up hills over a stinky gym treadmill having the cheesiest hard trance playing with a bunch of fat cunts next to me.
 
Not everyone with good stamina runs, but everyone who runs has good stamina. Running is boring as shit, but those who do it always seem to have good gas tanks.
 
Floyd does heaps of running and he knocked out Counnaur.
Yeah but, like Zahabi said, is it running that made him be a great boxer?
Not sure...
The reason why he beat Conor is because he is the boxing goat (at lest from a technical standpoint) and because Conor isn't even a boxer.
 
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