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I cant find the video anymore but some Chinese guy said months ago that the virus came from the lab, that an employee of the lab who is supposed to put down the sick animals after testing decided to make some side money and sold them to the wet market and that is how it spread. that Chinese guy disappeared apparently.
It doesn't have to be a black and white issue. "From a lab" doesn't have to mean it was a weapon. For example the cdc has a inventory of diseseases also, however its not a weapons facility. They found something (probably in the market) and brought it to the lab to study it. Then it got out.
The socialist CCP is guilty of the coverup that prevented the early stopping of the disease.
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Disappearing seems to happen a lot in China. Wormholes just have a tendency to pop up around regime critics, I guess.
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What CT were the bioweapon discounters believing?
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You can't never disprove that it didn't start in a laboratory. What if those scientists forced bats to cohabit with pengolins in a cage to create a virus so they can then study it. The process would be "natural" and wouldn't look man-made.
China’s extreme lack of openness has encouraged those theories and they're getting everything they deserve.
I don't believe in that theory myself, but I can't rule it out 100%.
If I were Chinese I'd hope the virus was accidentally created at a market because my people are dirty not careless and dangerously incompetent.
It'd be 10x worse and China WOULD BE LEGALLY LIABLE. The rest of the world could get compensated
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Not how this works mate
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I am the medical community and I’ll tell you the medical and scientific community has been behind the 8-ball on this from the beginning. First they told us we don’t need N95’s because the virus doesn’t aerosolize. Then when that was wrong, they told us we can safely reuse our masks. I knew that one was bullshit, but that’s directly resulted in too many nurses and doctors dying. So excuse me for taking what they are telling us with a grain of salt.
So either the experts are stupid but I’m going to assume they’re smart. They’re purposely lying because they know we lack PPE. So I’ll also assume they’ll lie about how this thing originated as well.
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The initial theory is that bats and pengolins were stacked together in a very small confined area at a shitty market. Obviously the merchants didn't mean to create a new virus. It's not impossible to think that some scientists wanted to know if pengolins could be a host species and decided to put bats and pengolins together in a corner to see if it'd create a new virus. Then things got out of hands.
Again, I don't favor this theory but I can't dismiss it 100% either. Coronaviruses can be transmitted by bodily fluids and feces. Whether it was an accident or not.... we might never know
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No, there's no reason to think that is what happened and it just isn't at all logical to think scientists would do that.
I can't 100% discount that the sun won't rise tomorrow.
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Why not? I’m not saying you’re wrong. But what’s your reasoning? Why wouldn’t it be logical to think that scientists wont be fraudulent to cover their asses like any other human being would do?
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If I wanted to create a list of animals that could be considered as potential intermediate hosts I would do exactly that. The ultimate goal would be the creation of new regulations so bats could never transmit the coronavirus to people. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's not 100% irrational.
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No, this isn't a conspiracy theory. It's valid and plausible.
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Precisely. There are some people who think it was intentional and was some sort of weapon. I can't think of a single reason to believe that at present. However, there is some reason to believe a virus sample from the lab was inadvertently released.
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Far as I know the scientific community says this is a naturally occuring virus. No reason for me to not believe that.
This virus can be a naturally occuring virus that may have escaped from one of the 2 labs in Wuhan. No conclusive evidence soo far, but no reason to dismiss the possibility either, based on lots of publickly available info published by Chinese Academia and Government. I used be in the camp that was convinced this virus jumped from an animal at the seafood market. I changed my mind to a cautious skeptic after watching the video by Laowhy86, where he only uses publickly availabel info to question the official narrative. Now we have even the British government's COBRA committe saying that a lab escape can't be ruled out.
Why was the wuhan institute of Virology looking for people to study a “new and terrible virus” on December 24th 2019? Why in November were they looking to study bats immunity to coronaviruses? Dude the bunked theory is that it was a manufactured virus as a bioweapon, it did not discount a naturally occurring virus that was either purposefully or accidentally released.
Deal with it, it started in a lab researching coronaviruses, got leaked out and covered up by the CCP. Even one of the missing Drs that blew the whistle months ago believes humans wouldn’t have made contact with this particular virus.
unless its a coincidence that a lab within a mile of the wet market was studying bats immunity to coronavirus and a “new and terrible virus” immediately preceding the outbreak
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The Wuhan Institute of Virology is pretty close to the Wuhan wet market where all of this started. Plus, they have been experimenting with bat coronaviruses since many years ago. Furthermore, there has been an incident or two where some of the workers there have been contaminated and had to self isolate. I've mentioned this before early in the outbreak on an older coronavirus thread.
I searched my bookmarked links. Check this out. This is a post of a guy from reddit. He is also of the belief that this came from a lab and provides links for his sources. He continuously updates his post and has even included that latest video from laowhy86 which @MicroBrew, @Hogey, and other users have mentioned.
I searched my bookmarked links. Check this out. This is a post of a guy from reddit. He is also of the belief that this came from a lab and provides links for his sources. He continuously updates his post and has even included that latest video from laowhy86 which @MicroBrew, @Hogey, and other users have mentioned.
No one wants this to come out about Coronavirus. Spread this, it keeps getting censored.
In 2016 Nature Magazine published an article about China engineering a bat coronavirus and scientists worried it would leak.
In 2010 scientists in Wuhan published a study stating they combined HIV parts with SARS. This was building on a 2007 study where they tried combining a SARS-like bat coronavirus with HIV pseudovirus that was not previously infectious to humans. While they were researching the SARS-like bat Coronavirus, they were unhappy with the low rate at which it infected human cells. So they genetically altered it to make it infect human cells more effectively -- by giving it an HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) outer shell, which enabled the SARS-like coronavirus to attack human cells via ACE2 receptors.
2015 study, scientists in Wuhan: They took a bat coronavirus and made a chimera virus that specifically attaches to the ACE2 protein to "to maximize the opportunity for pathogenesis and vaccine studies in mice".
And this is significant because what I just described pretty much sums up our current Coronavirus (first study published about COVID-19, attaches toACE2 receptors, same scientists as the study from a decade ago, Peng Zhou) .
In February a Chinese scientist published a study saying the most likey source of the virus is the lab due to the types of viruses studied there and multiple cases of contamination. Study has since been scrubbed from the internet. PDF LINK
A picture of the Lab in Wuhan, tweet from the Chinese gov. in 2018 / UPDATED LINK . The only BSL4 Lab in all of China, in the epicenter of the outbreak. With Asia’s largest virus bank. How convenient they deleted the tweet after this post.
Reports that the lung damage it causes is like a combination of SARS and AIDS. People still testing positive after recovering and even dying after being discharged from the hospital
Know what we have legitimate proof of? SARS accidentally leaking out of bio labs multiple times in China before.
I’m merely spreading legitimate articles, studies, and news stories that span over a decade, all tying back to Wuhan, engineered viruses, bat coronaviruses, shady Chinese student arrests smuggling vials into China and Harvard Bio-Chem head getting money from Wuhan. Canadian government scientists who trained at Wuhan Lab getting fired last year.. China silencing multiple Doctors who tried sounding the alarm in December.
They are the facts. What is also a fact is when you piece them all together, they get labeled as unverified claims with absolutely no valid counterargument or evidence against it. Yet, despite how much overwhelming facts point to this, it’s still not true because they said so? Again no one is denying it came from bats, so they arent debunking anything. It is also not a bioweapon, i never claimed it was, so they are not debunking anything there either.
FYI you’ll notice a lot of these articles have disclaimers (some brand new since yesterday) about them being used as a conspiracy. They offer absolutely no counter argument other than “it came from bats, therefor it is not from the lab.” Uhh okay, not disputing it came from bats. You will also notice the Chinese trolls tearing apart the HIV aspect of this, while ignoring all the rest of the evidence. (check comments, obvious whos working for China.)
Watch this get censored.
one of many censored posts., Ive also been permanently banned from r/worldnews for writing this as a comment. It would be impossible to post this in the r/coronavirus subreddit.
EDIT : felt this had to be added, explains the recent editors notes on these articles. They werent there when i found them.
5. When rumors are spreading in the cyberspace, commentators should find the original post and the publisher as soon as possible. Commentators should compel the website administrators to delete the original post....
Cyberspace Administration of China Internal Documentation for Internet Commentators. -from popular ex-CCP whistleblower.
We know CCP trolls exist, 2nd source , tasked with controlling the online narrative and spreading misinformation. Silencing the truth.
EDIT 3 March 16: Australia researcher finds ‘cure’
“Our doctors were very, very surprised that a HIV drug could actually work against the novel coronavirus and there was a bit of scepticism,” he said.”
EDIT 4 04/06/20
A YouTuber who lived in China has gathered compelling evidence that Huang Yangling is patient zero, she hasnt been seen in months and all mention of her has been scrubbed from the Wuhan Institute’s website.
Looks like mainstream media is starting to ask the right questions finally. Daily Mail.
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The act of putting two animals in close quarters to try and make a 'natural' virus hybrid would be a really ineffective way to accomplish anything.
If the goal was gain of function research, figuring out what future strains could be capable of, actual manipulation (which was going on) makes way more sense.
To get 'natural' viruses to study they'd be much more likely to just sample shitloads of wild animals to find new strains that could potentially jump to humans or domestic animals at some point. And this is exactly what they do. The population size your are sampling from is thousands of animals interacting instead of the small number of pangolins you are able to fit in a laboratory.
Yeah figuring out vectors makes sense, it would just involve inoculating different animals not having them cough on each other. And it would only need such tiny sample sizes, the chances of a mutation happening in the lab is miniscule.
Put it this way- the virus has infected millions of humans and we are tracking the mutation rate, but we've only seen a new strain (not even functionally differences) appear a few times. The odds of a mutation occuring because ten of some animal were getting infected to see if they could catch it in a lab is miniscule..esp compared to the amount of animals going in and out of wet markets and the squalor they are kept in.
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