Stipe's wins are far better than Fedor's

Haha, same to you my friend.

I wasn't going to respond to the rest but I can't help myself, lol.

Of course if we're talking about today you are almost certainly right (barring the miracle KO Fedor is always capable of delivering) but in his prime Francis wouldn't have even made the top 5, Stipe gets wrecked but DC would have been interesting but likely ends up getting subbed.

Stipe was fortunate to come into his own when the divisions hay day was in the rear view mirror ;)
You’re one of the guys I respect here which makes It really tough to see such a skewed view. But life’s a learning experience and nostalgia bias can be unlearned. Ha, good to see ya around.
 
Lol, "B-league Bellator fighters", one of which left the UFC as the top contender for the LHW Title behind Rumble and the other who left the UFC with a winning record because they didn't want to pay him what he felt he was worth..... But yeah, " B League Bellator fighters" for sure.... That's such a stupid narrative and makes it pretty clear buddy there doesn't really know much about MMA as a sport, lol.
It’s kind of a sad place where Fedor losing any fights at all for the rest of time is counted as a victory for UFC fans on their ledger - but that’s the desperation in action
 
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I can’t fault a guy for making a really good living getting his ass whooped, agreed.
Lol, you're trying to piss me off now aren't you!!

The guy is still competing in his 40s entering the 3rd decade of his career and has been KOed one more time than Stipe has in his 22 fight decade long career with only 2 more losses than him in a 40+ fight career, lol.
 
You’re one of the guys I respect here which makes It really tough to see such a skewed view. But life’s a learning experience and nostalgia bias can be unlearned. Ha, good to see ya around.
Yeah, this is never going to be a good subject for us to debate obviously, lol.
 
Lol, you're trying to piss me off now aren't you!!

The guy is still competing in his 40s entering the 3rd decade of his career and has been KOed one more time than Stipe has in his 22 fight decade long career with only 2 more losses than him in a 40+ fight career, lol.
“Competing” is a super liberal term from what I’ve seen lately.
 
Prime Fedor lost to Kohsaka and fought double digit cans

Stipe would've gone 50-0 against his competition
You're not really helping your case if you bring up Kohsaka as a loss.

Stipe got stopped by Struve and Fedor has almost twice as many top 10 wins as him so who's fighting "double digit cans"?

Losses to Struve, JDS in his first step up in competition and DC would suggest he is highly unlikely to have gone " 50-0" against Fedor's competition, prime Fedor probably could have gone 22-0 against Stipes level of competition though. Lol.
 
It’s kind of a sad place where Fedor losing any fights at all for the rest of time is counted as a victory for UFC fans on their ledger - but that’s the desperation in action
Or Fedor fans are just really easy to rile up and then use insults when someone disagrees. Don’t use insults, whatever point you may have had went down the drain when you act like a child. Should you just take your L now or can you recover from your elementary post?
 
Or Fedor fans are just really easy to rile up and then use insults when someone disagrees. Don’t use insults, whatever point you may have had went down the drain when you act like a child. Should you just take your L now or can you recover from your elementary post?
No, it’s definitely what I said. Not that.
 
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the funniest part about "MMA fans" who talk trash about Fedor is that they dont have a fkin clue about what they are talking, they speak as if they have the power of reason yet they dont even have a clue that they are clueless.
LMFAO
 
im clueless, school me.
are you sure, son ? ok, i´ll give it a try …
when we have guys like, BJ, Cain, Couture, Randleman, Shogun, Aldo, Minotauro, CroCop, GSP … all on record saying the same thing about Fedor i tend to take their word for it.
but i guess you really do think you are more of an expert than they are !!
LMFAO
 
Don’t call me son and we’ll start over. Unless you can’t communicate without insults.
Look, i dont give a shit about who is the GOAT or not, its a pointless discussion. The truth is that there are and there have been many great fighters that can do amazing things and out do one another at some point or another, so i respect them all.
But if i was to talk trash about Fedor, considering the sportsman that he has allways been, the incredible heart and skills he has as a fighter, and for the Man that he has shown to be, bro, i would only be insulting myself.
 
Well, I'm a Pride old school fan and know that Fedor is the GOAT.

But I must say that Stipe did tie Fedor in terms of accomplishments. He has that UFC title defense record.

To surpass Fedor, either a win against Cain a few years ago would have been great, or a win over Jon Jones at HW.

Fedor is the 2000's HW GOAT and Overall MMA GOAT

Stipe is the 2010's HW GOAT
 
1. DC
2. Ngannou
3. Werdum
4. Overeem
5. JDS
6. Arlovski
7. Gonzaga
8. Hunt
9. Nelson
10. del Rosario

1. Big Nog
2. Cro Cop
3. Arlovski
4. Coleman
5. Sylvia
6. Hunt
7. Randleman
8. Mir
9. Herring
10. Schilt

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HW GOAT, deal with it :cool:
Fedor never stepped out of triple A ball. The end.
 
FWIW - Fedor was contracted to M1 Global when Strikeforce folded he still was obliged to them, prior to that in 2007 after Pride folded there wasn't really any decent HWs at that point in the UFC

The only time you could argue he 'ducked' them was when he returned from retirement on this latest run... but that was old and broken Fedor and we know he'd have been smashed.

The landscape in his prime was very different... When he was at his best and when a 'free agent' either 1. the UFC really had not a great HW roster on offer so why sign there (the rest of the HW strength was outside the UFC) or 2. He was signed to M-1 Global with fights contracted thus prevented from fighting in the UFC.

If you weren't around back then, you must understand, in mid 2007 he had to sign somewhere when Pride wound up - firsly most of the good HW's weren't in the UFC - most were assembling to fight in Affliction - Affliction were paying big money to lure top MMA HWs for their fledgling org. Plus M-1 gave Fedor a % share in their company which was a good money lure. So it made much more sense to Fedor to fight for them.

In 2007 the UFC only had a few top HW fighters - Sylvia (Fedor demolished in Affliction), AA (fedor demolished in Affliction), Mir (who was only just recovering from his accident, getting beaten by Vera and PeDePano, and Fedor later demolished him anyway in Bellator) and Randy (who wanted to fight Fedor outside the UFC)... aside from that it was Nog, Herring and Mirko who came from Pride (who Fedor had already beaten), and Werdum (who he later met in SF).

In 2007 they didn't have Brock, (he'd only just taken is FIRST ever fight) or Cain or JDS or Carwin or anyone of the 'new breed'- so in that signing with M-1 you can't argue he ducked them as they weren't on the HW landscape at all.

OUTSIDE the UFC there was Roy Nelson, Hunt, Overeem, Rizzo, Buentello, Ben Rothwell, Josh Barnett, Kharitanov and pretty much the rest of the old guard

So I never considered him 'ducking' the UFC (at least when it mattered) - i.e. there was nothing to duck or he simply couldn't, the same way Randy couldn't fight Fedor in Affliction, you can't be accused of ducking if you have a contract with a promotion.

Anyway, just something to think about

"In 2007 the UFC only had a few top HW fighters - Sylvia (Fedor demolished in Affliction), AA (fedor demolished in Affliction), Mir (who was only just recovering from his accident, getting beaten by Vera and PeDePano, and Fedor later demolished him anyway in Bellator) and Randy (who wanted to fight Fedor outside the UFC)... aside from that it was Nog, Herring and Mirko who came from Pride (who Fedor had already beaten), and Werdum (who he later met in SF)."

Then why did Cro Cop and Big Nog go to the UFC in 2007, if the HWs weren't that good there?

You're forgetting that Cro Cop got decimated by Gonzaga and decisioned by Kongo in 2007. And Vera was undefeated at HW and had a huge win over Mir at that time.

So in the UFC, it's Mir, Gonzaga, Couture, Kongo, Werdum, Brandon Vera, Sylvia, and Andrei Arlovski in 2007. So it's more than just a few good HWs.

"OUTSIDE the UFC there was Roy Nelson, Hunt, Overeem, Rizzo, Buentello, Ben Rothwell, Josh Barnett, Kharitanov and pretty much the rest of the old guard"


Fedor already beat Hunt. Overeem literally just went to HW after getting smashed by Shogun in 2007 so he wasn't a big HW challenge for Fedor just yet.

And in 2009, Fedor had a choice between fighting Brett Rogers in Strikeforce or fighting UFC HW Champ, 2000 NCAA Div I wrestling Champ Lesnar at UFC 103 in Dallas, and we know what he chose.

And ducked Overeem in strikeforce too, so that completes the trifecta.
 
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Haha, same to you my friend.

I wasn't going to respond to the rest but I can't help myself, lol.

Of course if we're talking about today you are almost certainly right (barring the miracle KO Fedor is always capable of delivering) but in his prime Francis wouldn't have even made the top 5, Stipe gets wrecked but DC would have been interesting but likely ends up getting subbed.

Stipe was fortunate to come into his own when the divisions hay day was in the rear view mirror ;)

Division's hay day? When was that? When pretty much everyone at HW was one dimensional?

DC, Cain, JDS, Carwin and Stipe (and now Ngannou coming up) are some of the most well rounded and dangerous HWs to exist in MMA history. They would destroyed every single can that Fedor ever crushed.

DC and Cain are both BJJ black/brown belts, top level wrestling, and with good striking performances in MMA under their belt, including devastating KOs.

Stipe has top level wrestling and excellent and very dangerous boxing.

Pride Nog had zero wrestling and he wasn't dropping or KOing anyone in Pride yet

Cro Cop was a very dangerous striker, but it was pretty much it. He never threatened takedowns, and while his takedown defense was getting better, he was never that good at getting back to his feet or threatened with submissions or smothering top game. Not to mention that Prime Cro cop still got brutally KOed by Randleman and Gonzaga.
 
"In 2007 the UFC only had a few top HW fighters - Sylvia (Fedor demolished in Affliction), AA (fedor demolished in Affliction), Mir (who was only just recovering from his accident, getting beaten by Vera and PeDePano, and Fedor later demolished him anyway in Bellator) and Randy (who wanted to fight Fedor outside the UFC)... aside from that it was Nog, Herring and Mirko who came from Pride (who Fedor had already beaten), and Werdum (who he later met in SF)."

Then why did Cro Cop and Big Nog go to the UFC in 2007, if the HWs weren't that good there?
Good question. It was likely the best thing at the time offered to them, like M-1 Global offer was the best thing offered to Fedor and Affliction was best for Barnett, etc. I know Mirko got a great deal. They also did it a bit earlier than Fedor, the landscape was in motion and there was more on offer the later time went. Obviously without Fedor in the UFC, they also could have thought there was a good opportunity to win the belt with obviously CC failing, but Nog was successful (at least with the interim belt whilst Randy was busy trying to get to Affliction!). An interesting time it was.

You're forgetting that Cro Cop got decimated by Gonzaga and decisioned by Kongo in 2007. And Vera was undefeated at HW and had a huge win over Mir at that time.
No i didn't forget that.
So in the UFC, it's Mir, Gonzaga, Couture, Kongo, Werdum, Brandon Vera, Sylvia, and Andrei Arlovski in 2007. So it's more than just a few good HWs.

"OUTSIDE the UFC there was Roy Nelson, Hunt, Overeem, Rizzo, Buentello, Ben Rothwell, Josh Barnett, Kharitanov and pretty much the rest of the old guard"
I wouldn't ever tout Vera as a top heavyweight - he was beaten by Sylvia prior to Sylvia leaving for Affliction. AA had beaten Werdum. Werdum was still on his way up and later beat Gonzaga. The top guys were AA and Sylvia in the UFC prior to the arrival of the next gen Brock/Cain/JDS/Carwin/DC etc... who hadn't arrived by the time Fedor had already signed to M-1 (and were super green either way).

As I said, M-1 with Affliction were working hard at the time behind the scenes offering big money to top HW's for the new org. Both Andrei and Sylvia were already in talks and were paid almost a million dollars at the time (IIRC) to leave the UFC - unheard of at the time - Fedor would have been banking on this new arrangement going forward with Affliction as he got a cut of the profits too.

So his decision AT THE TIME when signing with anyone was: all these existing top HWs being taken up by Affliction, getting paid well PLUS getting part of the PPV cut, plus being able to keep his name and likeness, being able to fight in Sambo if he chose, freedom to fight in other organisations (as long as they co-promoted), and with a good chance of fighting Sylvia and AA and Randy (who as said was trying his hardest to get away from the UFC, in the end unsuccessfully)

vs

Fighting guys he'd already fought (MIrko, Nog, Herring), and some lesser known, less proven up and coming HWs, but being under the strong control of the UFC, give up your likeness, less freedom, etc.

Not to mention Dana who'd regularly played down Fedor for his own bargaining power and was on massive promotion push to deflect away Fedor's greatness to the public, pushing Silva as #1p4p or GOAT or whatever - counter programming Affliction, etc.

So Fedor's decision to side with M-1 doesn't constitute ducking, in hindsight who knew what was around the corner and obviously M-1 screwed the rest of his career with their antics, and the UFC went from strength to strength. But you can't hold it against Fedor at the time.

(Oh and once that fell through the UFC ramped up a massive discrediting campaign to smear Fedor at every possibility through most of the early part of this decade, no wonder Fedor would never sign to the UFC from that point)

Fedor already beat Hunt. Overeem literally just went to HW after getting smashed by Shogun in 2007 so he wasn't a big HW challenge for Fedor just yet.

And in 2009, Fedor had a choice between fighting Brett Rogers in Strikeforce or fighting UFC HW Champ, 2000 NCAA Div I wrestling Champ Lesnar at UFC 103 in Dallas, and we know what he chose.
Fedor never had the 'choice' between Brett Rogers in Strikeforce or Lesnar. As I said, Fedor was in the middle of his contract with M-1 at that point so was unable to just fight who he wanted. Affliction 3 had just folded caused by Barnett pissing hot and killed the event (and company). If you think Fedor had the 'choice', then Randy ALSO had a 'choice' to fight Fedor in Affliction (hint: obviously he didn't as you can't just walk out on a contract with a promotion). And M-1 were stuck with making it a 'co-promotion' deal with UFC to build their brand as they knew they had the biggest fighter in the game contracted to them. It failed but that's business. It wasn't right for both parties, but it doesn't mean anyone 'ducked' - guarantee Fedor would have fought Brock if a deal could have been made between the two companies. Hence there was a huge narrative with fans for wanting the UFC to gobble up everything just so all the fights can be made, (a shortsighted view IMO) but here were are.

And ducked Overeem in strikeforce too, so that completes the trifecta.

You could potentially make the argument he 'ducked' Overeem in Strikefore if you stretch it a lot. I'm not sure if you were around watching back then but as mentioned above by 2009 M-1 had just been burned badly by the collapse of Affliction due to drug testing, which would have cost them a lot of money. Couple that with Overeem being over in Dream on the biggest juice crusade of his career, they were rightfully very wary of this happening again, as again, they were 'co-promoting' with Strikeforce (something the UFC wouldn't do, per the above comment regarding the failed Brock fight)... meaning they have skin in the game. I mean EVERYONE knew Overeem was massively juicing.

Anyway, they said they'd accept the fight with Overeem as long as there was Olympic drug testing in place. It never happened. Also as you said, Overeem really hadn't beaten anyone - he was smashed by Shogun and Kharitanov a couple of years earlier, went to Japan looked great on roids, but suddenly deserves to fight the HW GOAT and Fedor's 'ducking' if he doesn't accept!? Think if that happened to Stipe now, would you argue the same? Someone like Brandon Vera goes over to One FC (gets roided to shit, smashes some lower lever guys) and then calls out to the UFC demanding a fight with Stipe and if the UFC/Stipe doesn't accept Stipe's "ducking"?! Nah.... Ok Overeem situation was maybe not Vera-level example, but perhaps Mirko when he went back to Japan level... or Bader to Bellator (less 'proven' than Baden even) - anyway you get what I mean.

So at the end of the day, M-1 dreamed big, but failed badly and the last 3rd of Fedor's career suffered a lot due to it. And Dana/UFC certainly rubbed their noses in it as it happened. That's business. That's life. But I strongly believe all things being equal Fedor would have fought any person able to be put in front of him.

Cheers
 
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He would do it with one arm tied behind his back

Remember how easily Jake Shields took Hendo down and dominated him



DAN HENDERSON DISCLOSES MEDICATION CAUSED WEIGHT CUT STRUGGLES

“In his debut fight for the San Jose, Calif.-based promotion, Henderson was hyped as one of the biggest free agent signings Strikeforce had ever made. What resulted after a strong first round was the Temecula, Calif. fighter being taken down repeatedly and outmatched by Shields for almost 25 minutes.

Just about everyone watching Henderson step onto the scales on the Friday before the fight noticed he just didn’t seem himself as he cut down to the 185-pound limit. Now Henderson has confirmed that he did indeed struggle with the weight cut, but it had more to do with prescribed medication than not shedding the last few pounds the right way.“



https://www.mmaweekly.com/dan-hende...tion-that-caused-his-weight-cutting-struggles


Brock VS Hendo???

Didn’t Brock cut weight to make 265 lbs???

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