Social "Systemic Racism"

[The ScorpioN]

Big part of the reason as to why things stand that way, though, is because of the policies put forth by Democrats in the 1990's in an effort to "protect" these communities from crime. I'm not sure if we can say outright that the intention was to put forth a systemic racist policy, unless we are to acknowledge at the same time that men like Joe Biden, for example, greatly contributed to systemic racism. How could we, then, expect this very same man to be the solution now, in 2020?

I think that the intentions were not necessarily racist but the outcomes arguably were.

Statistics have been trending down for a while though.

Looks like the policy did what it was intended to do.

 

[MMAGA]

The FBI warned about white supremacists in the police for many many years now. For well over a decade now.

All the extreme right wingers and the Alt right (like you see that post on sherdog) Say this is all a big FBI conspiracy against trump.

What percentage of the 800,000+ sworn LEOs in the U.S. do YOU believe are white supremacists?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Is it like a question on application forms?
"Racist: yes/no"

More like do you have a small dick and want to bully people? But too dumb to get a corporate management job Yes/no

 

[TheGreatA]

I wouldn't argue against that one bit. You got bipartisan racist policies that further exacerbate the real issues, instead of investing properly in communities and infrastructure we further militarize the police and let the communities rot. Hence systemic racism.

What if it's more of a matter of putting forth policy, that in essence, does not discriminate, but in practise, when dealing with the reality of individuals at law enforcement, collective attitudes, communities lagging behind in development, and so forth, results in a racially discriminatory outcome?

In that case it's not necessarily "systemic racism" but something that is more subversive and difficult to address with laws alone. Something that a "system" alone cannot fix, but rather, a concentrated effort on the people and their mentality.

When Joe Biden pushed for those laws, I don't think he explicitly thought "let's put all the black men in jail", compared to how some old Southern KKK guy from the Jim Crow era would have. He wasn't thinking about systematically oppressing black people. He was thinking of putting criminals in jail and protecting communities. It's just that in practise, what seemed like a good idea ended up being a pretty bad idea, because you hadn't necessarily cleaned up the problems at the more grassroots levels.

 

[MMAGA]

But you admit that is an example of systemic racism right? So it clearly exists in at least some parts of the country.

That’s pretty much what I said in my OP...there are pockets of this stuff throughout the U.S. But, no, I don’t believe the ENTIRE Ferguson PD is racist, therefore, one can not categorize the Ferguson PD as a systemically racist LE organization.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

What percentage of the 800,000+ sworn LEOs in the U.S. do YOU believe are white supremacists?

Email the FBI. You guys sure are thick headed.

 

[Slick_36]

Looks like the policy did what it was intended to do.

Or not.

 

[MMAGA]

More like do you have a small dick and want to bully people? But too dumb to get a corporate management job Yes/no

LOL! Because, corporate managers are renowned for being incredibly warm and caring. Some of those bastards would step on their own mothers to grab something off the floor that resembles a nickel!

 

[MMAGA]

Email the FBI. You guys sure are thick headed.

Grow a pair, and answer the question. You wanna talk all this nonsense, but don’t have the balls to provide even a ballpark figure?

 

[Islam Imamate]

That’s pretty much what I said in my OP...there are pockets of this stuff throughout the U.S. But, no, I don’t believe the ENTIRE Ferguson PD is racist, therefore, one can not categorize the Ferguson PD as a systemically racist LE organization.

Did you read the report or at least what I linked? The PD was focusing on revenue generation due to demands form the city so they resorted to targeting black citizens for fines and in many cases did so unconstitutionally in addition to arresting them for lawful behavior. In addition many officers used their work emails to send clearly racist communications which were actually forwarded by superiors. So you have a PD that focuses on revenue generation, disproportionately fines, detains, arrests, prosecutes and leverages force against blacks and engages in unambiguously racist communications through official channels. Sorry but that's pretty clear example of systemic racism.

 

[panamaican]

Well, the definition of "systemic racism" in the OP is wrong. By the definition which suggests "everyone", that certainly doesn't exist. However when systemic racism is defined properly, it means a system where racism is ingrained into the system itself and thus self-perpetuates. Not on an individual to individual basis but on the individual to system basis.

An example of "systemic racism" was the original version of Social Security. It didn't include domestic workers and farm workers. Those were the 2 industries where free blacks were largely employed. The exclusion of their jobs from social security benefits was discriminatory against them but not by the individual people who handled payroll or cut SS checks. It was racist in the very structure of the program itself. A completely non-racist person who enforced the letter of that system would have been perpetuating the discriminatory effect of the bill. Not a racist individual, a racist system. Now, that system has been reformed such that it's discriminatory effects are in the past.

However, in the U.S. there are plenty of other systems that were put into place precisely for their deleterious impact on blacks and have not been reformed or repealed.

The War on Drugs for example. Drugs were dumped into minority communities, not white ones. Then those same communities were targeted for increased policing because of the prevalence of drugs. The effect of those systemic choices results in larger negative effects on black communities. And those effects are perpetuated even if the judge, DA, and/or LEO aren't racist individuals. The system is the result of choices that targeted black communities. And years later, perfectly normal people are otherwise caught up in implementing the system, even though they didn't have a hand in creating it.

The list of American systems that were intentional in their mistreatment of blacks is lengthy. They range from college admissions following WWII to housing and redlining all the way into the National Highway system itself. Programs and systems created decades ago when discrimination was legal but are still implemented by people today, who oftentimes have no idea about the history itself.

 

[Slick_36]

What if it's more of a matter of putting forth policy, that in essence, does not discriminate, but in practise, when dealing with the reality of individuals at law enforcement, collective attitudes, communities lagging behind in development, and so forth, results in a racially discriminatory outcome?

In that case it's not necessarily "systemic racism" but something that is more subversive and difficult to address with laws alone. Something that a "system" alone cannot fix, but rather, a concentrated effort on the people and their mentality.

When Joe Biden pushed for those laws, I don't think he explicitly thought "let's put all the black men in jail", compared to how some old Southern KKK guy from the Jim Crow era would have. He wasn't thinking about systematically oppressing black people. He was thinking of putting criminals in jail and protecting communities. It's just that in practise, what seemed like a good idea ended up being a pretty bad idea, because you hadn't necessarily cleaned up the problems at the more grassroots levels.

There's two different kinds of racism, direct and systemic. One is a toxic mentality and the other can be done out of ignorance and good intentions. Direct racism is less of a problem than it's been in much of US history but we're highly sensitive to it and will respond quickly and strongly to it. Systemic racism though thrives on ignorance and apathy, until you have an understanding of the roots of the issues, you can't fix them in a healthy way.

When I say there is systemic racism, I don't think there's anything close to a majority of people out there who secretly hate black people and vote accordingly. It's like rot in the foundation, doesn't matter how well the house is built on top of it.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Most racists don't think they are racist.

Like all the lefty posters here who judged those high school kids from Covington based on their skin color.

There's racism on the right, and there's racism on the left. I think right wing racism is pointed out early and often and has become over-emphasized, which isn't always a bad thing. There's also racism on the left and it is becoming more mainstream.

In fact, leftist notions about systemic racism and privilege have partially succeeded in redefining racism in such a way that a person's race alone can be determinant of whether they are racist. And that increasingly mainstream left wing view on racism is racist.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Or not.

What is the point here?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

What percentage of the 800,000+ sworn LEOs in the U.S. do YOU believe are white supremacists?

How many are white males?

 

[Slick_36]

What is the point here?

If those major crimes are lowering every year, why is the prison population rising every year?

 

[deadshot138]

Well since you said it must mean it doesn’t exist.

You believe it tho, so it does exist. See how that works ?

 

[andnowweknow]

Like all the lefty posters here who judged those high school kids from Covington based on their skin color.

There's racism on the right, and there's racism on the left. I think right wing racism is pointed out early and often and has become over-emphasized, which isn't always a bad thing. There's also racism on the left and it is becoming more mainstream.

In fact, leftist notions about systemic racism and privilege have partially succeeded in redefining racism in such a way that a person's race alone can be determinant of whether they are racist. And that increasingly mainstream left wing view on racism is racist.

Nope. I referring to white racists. The "woe is me the white man" game is further racism out of cowardice to simply admit what they are. Terrified.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Grow a pair, and answer the question. You wanna talk all this nonsense, but don’t have the balls to provide even a ballpark figure?

Why do you say “I don’t have the balls?” This is from the FBI not me.

honestly why are you guys so thick headed all the time. I’m not making this up, this comes from the FBI

 

[ElKarlo]

Well there clearly is systemic racism

but how can you loot steal
And destroy people’s lives and businesses and complain that they’re viewing you in a negative light

IMO the Current African American community Lacks the leadership that had in the past that helped make the amazing advancements we’ve had

Probelms with blacks is that they always closed ranks and stuck together. Problem is they still do that even when someone is doing something detrimental to their community.