DNA tests are "troubling" for Turks. They are not from East Asia.

[rushbeg]

As you can see original balkanian group i2 isn’t really present in Russia or Poland.

I2 reaches a good amouint in Ukraine (Homeland of Proto-Slavs) , Again I've posted several scientific research explaining I2 and R1a migration to Balkans along Slavic barbarians. All you've done is posting these pictures of todays DNA results.


This proves my point even more ironically , The only people whom historians , linguists and other renowned schoolars have considered to be paleo-balkan people (Albanians and Greeks) score really low in I2 while peak at E-V13 and J2.

Explain that , well you can't actually. Since anyone with a brain knows that Slavs are migrants to the Balkans unlike Albanians who are culturally , linguistically , genetically indigenous to the region.

"Original Balkan haplogroup I2"

original Balkanians explored Eastern Europe n that’s why their DNA is present there, but not as much as in balkans.

More projection and psuedo-history from you , as usual. Nothing based on facts , only biased speculations.

Albanian entire history is speculation n wishful thinking.

the reality is they’re 1st mentioned only in 11th century, way after Slavs n never really had a state of their own, but were subjects of other nations.

"Wishful thinking" , You sure you aren't talking about yourself?

Funny enough how yo utry to spin the narrative ,You're the one trying to mix real history with witshful thinking.

History , linguistics , culture and tradition have already told us about the fact that Albanians are indigenous people while Slavs are immigrants from the 6th and 7th century. Genetics are now confirming it even more.

You're so desperate to try and keep your mental gymnastics going , But anyone with a brain can see who are the indigenous people of the Balkans and who are immigrants. Your migration is literally documented kid , stop trying.

it only became majority Albanian after serbs were driven out by ottomans n brought their Albanian minions to replace them.

it has a Serbian name n it was under Serbian rule, never Albanian.

It was under Serbian rule, Bulgarians , Byzantium and ROme had it before while Illyrian tribes ruled over it before that.

Sure, they had such better living conditions that they were driven out n replaced by Albanians who took ottoman religion.

who are you trying to fool? Do you even believe the crap you say?

also serbs has multiple rebellion n 2 uprising n were freed from ottoman occupation?

what did Albanians do? They were sending arnauts to their ottoman master.

they only got freed when serbs kicked the ottoman out.

Serbs and Orthodoxs in general were way less persecuted than Catholics , Ottoman gave Orthodoxs religious freedom due to the Orthodox highest bodies being inside the Emprie while Catholicism being seen as a foreign threat.
You really have a lot of things in common with Turks , Dusan also had the same , in fact more hostility towards Catholics.

Serbs revolts were crushed , They paid taxes and stayed calm. Didn't keep any autonomy or whatsoever. Finally were liberated when Daddy Russia stepped in since they wanted to expand their influence in the Balkans.

While in the Albanian highlands the role were reserved , Ottomans were crushed everytime they tried to subdue Albanian highlanders.
Hence why Albanian Highlanders kept their independence during Ottoman Rule. Can't say the same about your ancestors.....

How were Albanians sending Arnauts? Do you know that it means Albanians sending ALbanians?
Didn't I already school you about the etymology of "Arnaut"?

You're so clueless , desperate and sad at the same time.

Yes currently it’s under Albanian terrorist n other criminal control backed by NATO.

the way things look right now that alliance won’t last long n then Kosovo will be liberated.

Now, unlike Albanians, serbs are not tribal n can actually live in multiethnic state.

"Albanian terrorist"
I don't recall Albanians commiting genocide anywhere in the last century? Neither do I recall them killing multiple childrens and even pregnant women?
Pretty sure who the terrorists were , attrocities happen everywhere. But in Serbs case they are known for it.

as for Montenegro... it’s under western control with that puppet in charge stealing elections. most Montenegrins are actually pro serb.

Ironically so , Since a lot of them are Slavicized Albanians(Confirmed by traditions , history , genetics). Especially the pro-serb fanatics from Brda.


Although they betrayed their Albanian identity and switched to Slavic they still were braver than the rest of Serbs.
Similar to Albanian highlanders they kept their independence too during Ottoman rule.

Also from which region are you? Probably you may check your DNA if you got some connections to the mentioned regions. ...

It didn’t have to be named “Kosovo” cause it wasn’t a separate state. It was just a unified Serbian state.

after ottoman invasion it became a vilayet n it was name Kosovo for Kosovo field. A Serbian name, cause serbs were living there.

Albanians literally have no claim to it what so ever

Now class is dismissed

Yet most of the pre-slavic toponyms (for as few as they are) only can be translated within Albanian......

It is known that after Slavic invasions Albanians were driven out of their territories , Several Serb historians have accepted it too.

What you're saying makes complete sense , It has zero connection to Albanians having a country as you've said or Albanians having claim over Kosovo.
The region now is 94% Albanian and owned by Albanians , How they ahve no claim over it?

Probably you should listen to the professor more carefully , instead of listening to braindeads like Jovan Deretic and other serbian psuedohistorians.

 

[rushbeg]

even in Southern Europe like balkans original inhabitants (today’s south Slavs) didn’t mix much with incoming Slavs even if they speak their language today

More mental gymnastics from deluded & desperate serb......

Many original Balkan inhabitants were massacred from Slavs , Some were assimilated yes (Hence why E-V13 still reaches solid numbers in Slavic populations).

Montenegrin Brdanis esepcially are a good example of that (Slavicized Albanians)
Even though most of today South Slavs are genetically descendants of the barbaraisn who raided and commited attrocities throughout Balkans in the 6th and 7th century.

 

[revoltub]

You guys really know a lot about this shit.

 

[goldennirvana]

Right, im pretty sure the guys that conquered the entire Middle East had an inferiority complex.

LOL the middle east hasn't had a formidable army since Saladin. That region has always been easy to take. How many times has it been conquered? Only about 5 billion. In Europe, however, the Turks regularly got the shit kicked out of them.

 

[Rod1]

LOL the middle east hasn't had a formidable army since Saladin.

Ok.

That region has always been easy to take.

Yes, we can tell by how effective the crusades were.

How many times has it been conquered? Only about 5 billion.

Yes, like most places on earth, its also pretty difficult to hold.

In Europe, however, the Turks regularly got the shit kicked out of them.

Im pretty sure they conquered the Balkans and held them for centuries, during the times of Suleiman who was the first sultan to get an Euro wife (or his father depending on the source) they were at their prime.

That's like claiming Caesar Augustus had an inferiority complex against Asians because the Huns defeated Rome 400 years after him.

 

[grimballer]

More mental gymnastics from deluded & desperate serb......

Many original Balkan inhabitants were massacred from Slavs , Some were assimilated yes (Hence why E-V13 still reaches solid numbers in Slavic populations).

Montenegrin Brdanis esepcially are a good example of that (Slavicized Albanians)
Even though most of today South Slavs are genetically descendants of the barbaraisn who raided and commited attrocities throughout Balkans in the 6th and 7th century.

more wishful thinking from culture vulture.

It’s been well documented that i2 were the original inhabitants of Southern Europe n E1b is North African that came after.

Territory of former Yugoslavia is where Illyria was n overwhelming majority of ppl living there still belong to the original i2 group.

 

[grimballer]

I2 reaches a good amouint in Ukraine (Homeland of Proto-Slavs) , Again I've posted several scientific research explaining I2 and R1a migration to Balkans along Slavic barbarians. All you've done is posting these pictures of todays DNA results.


This proves my point even more ironically , The only people whom historians , linguists and other renowned schoolars have considered to be paleo-balkan people (Albanians and Greeks) score really low in I2 while peak at E-V13 and J2.

Explain that , well you can't actually. Since anyone with a brain knows that Slavs are migrants to the Balkans unlike Albanians who are culturally , linguistically , genetically indigenous to the region.

"Original Balkan haplogroup I2"

more nonsense from deluded culture vulture.

Facts are:

i2 is the original South European group

E1b comes from North Africa

Slavs in balkans are 1st mentioned in 6th century

Albanians are 1st mentioned in 11th

More projection and psuedo-history from you , as usual. Nothing based on facts , only biased speculations.

"Wishful thinking" , You sure you aren't talking about yourself?

Funny enough how yo utry to spin the narrative ,You're the one trying to mix real history with witshful thinking.

History , linguistics , culture and tradition have already told us about the fact that Albanians are indigenous people while Slavs are immigrants from the 6th and 7th century. Genetics are now confirming it even more.

You're so desperate to try and keep your mental gymnastics going , But anyone with a brain can see who are the indigenous people of the Balkans and who are immigrants. Your migration is literally documented kid , stop trying.

you constantly ignore facts n go with your wishful thinking instead

again facts are:

i2 is original South European group

E1b is North African

Slavs are 1st mentioned in 6th century

Albanians are 1st mentioned in 11th century

stop trying to pass your opinions as facts. It might work in University of Tirana where the only course given seems to be historical fiction, but that doesn’t work in real world.

It was under Serbian rule, Bulgarians , Byzantium and ROme had it before while Illyrian tribes ruled over it before that.

And? It was never Albanian.

it’s only after serbs were kicked out by ottomans n replaced by Albanians (cause they took their religion n were obedient) did Kosovo became majority Albanian.

Serbs and Orthodoxs in general were way less persecuted than Catholics , Ottoman gave Orthodoxs religious freedom due to the Orthodox highest bodies being inside the Emprie while Catholicism being seen as a foreign threat.
You really have a lot of things in common with Turks , Dusan also had the same , in fact more hostility towards Catholics.

hows this relevant? Most Albanians took ottoman religion to gain special favours from their overloads.

that’s why they were brought to Kosovo when serbs were kicked out (don’t see how you call that less persecuted?)

Serbs revolts were crushed , They paid taxes and stayed calm. Didn't keep any autonomy or whatsoever. Finally were liberated when Daddy Russia stepped in since they wanted to expand their influence in the Balkans.

While in the Albanian highlands the role were reserved , Ottomans were crushed everytime they tried to subdue Albanian highlanders.
Hence why Albanian Highlanders kept their independence during Ottoman Rule. Can't say the same about your ancestors.....

they paid taxes n were poorly treated cause they didn’t convert like majority of Albanians did to get preferential treatment for their daddy Turks.

also serbs had 2 major uprisings n liberated themselves from ottoman rule, while Albanians were happy being under daddy Turks up until the end of their rule.

How were Albanians sending Arnauts? Do you know that it means Albanians sending ALbanians?
Didn't I already school you about the etymology of "Arnaut"?

You're so clueless , desperate and sad at the same time.

arnauts literally means foreign soldiers n that was a term Turks used for their Albanian minions cause there were so many of them.

They were happy to obey daddy Turks

"Albanian terrorist"
I don't recall Albanians commiting genocide anywhere in the last century? Neither do I recall them killing multiple childrens and even pregnant women?
Pretty sure who the terrorists were , attrocities happen everywhere. But in Serbs case they are known for it.

cause you don’t know your history, but what can you expect when the only course given in university of Tirana is fictional history n myths are considered facts.

Albanians seized every opportunity they could to kill n expel serbs from Kosovo.

In last century they started as early as 1901, then in Balkan wars, 1st ww, 2nd ww with ss skanderbeg, during communist Yugoslavia n in last conflict when they expelled many serbs n destroyed their religious monuments.

Ironically so , Since a lot of them are Slavicized Albanians(Confirmed by traditions , history , genetics). Especially the pro-serb fanatics from Brda.


Although they betrayed their Albanian identity and switched to Slavic they still were braver than the rest of Serbs.
Similar to Albanian highlanders they kept their independence too during Ottoman rule.

Also from which region are you? Probably you may check your DNA if you got some connections to the mentioned regions. ...

Well Albanians themselves are a mix of North Africans (E1b) n west asians (j2).

1st for the most part serbs are the original Southern European group (i2) with some Slavic (r1a).

Yet most of the pre-slavic toponyms (for as few as they are) only can be translated within Albanian......

It is known that after Slavic invasions Albanians were driven out of their territories , Several Serb historians have accepted it too.

What you're saying makes complete sense , It has zero connection to Albanians having a country as you've said or Albanians having claim over Kosovo.
The region now is 94% Albanian and owned by Albanians , How they ahve no claim over it?

Probably you should listen to the professor more carefully , instead of listening to braindeads like Jovan Deretic and other serbian psuedohistorians.

As I stated earlier Albanians only became the majority after serbs were driven out. It was never part of any Albanian state. The only time Albanians had control over it was during occupation in ww2 under fascist Italian protectorate.

also I hope your French is good (there’s subtitles)

 

[goldennirvana]

Yes, we can tell by how effective the crusades were.

The Crusades weren't about trying to take over the entire middle east.

Yes, like most places on earth, its also pretty difficult to hold.

You have no grasp of history. lol

Im pretty sure they conquered the Balkans and held them for centuries, during the times of Suleiman who was the first sultan to get an Euro wife (or his father depending on the source) they were at their prime.

They conquered the Balkans when it was very weak. The moment they faced real competition, they started taking severe losses.

That's like claiming Caesar Augustus had an inferiority complex against Asians because the Huns defeated Rome 400 years after him.

No, no it's not. It's actually nothing like that. lol

Turks had to literally steal boys from the Balkans and turn them into soldiers (you really have no idea about the Janissaries), and steal European women because they were desperate for European DNA. This is all historical fact.

 

[Rod1]

The Crusades weren't about trying to take over the entire middle east.

And they failed to take just the part they wanted to take.

You have no grasp of history. lol

Yes, the Ottoman Empire never existed.

They conquered the Balkans when it was very weak. The moment they faced real competition, they started taking severe losses.

They went as deep as Vienna twice.

No, no it's not. It's actually nothing like that. lol

No, never is.

Turks had to literally steal boys from the Balkans and turn them into soldiers (you really have no idea about the Janissaries), and steal European women because they were desperate for European DNA. This is all historical fact.

1.- Yes, it was pretty common to raise conquered people as soldiers, this is nothing new, that's how you get the manpower for an empire.

2.- LOL at desperate for European DNA, im guessing that White Americans fucking African slaves also means they were desperate for that African DNA.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Right, im pretty sure the guys that conquered the entire Middle East had an inferiority complex.

Whites took over continents and treated africans as animals. And yet today many white men worship black male athleticisism and big black penises as so often talked about on this forum, I cant go a day or two without seeing "BBC" written and talked about on here in threads.

Likewise many asians have conquered areas and had empires yet have for years and still have a white fetish. Asian women also fetishize white men. It is not as uncommon as you think for many ti have an inferiority complex and long for or be jealous of what other races have.

 

[Squintz]

Whites took over continents and treated africans as animals. And yet today many white men worship black male athleticisism and big black penises as so often talked about on this forum, I cant go a day or two without seeing "BBC" written and talked about on here in threads.

Likewise many asians have conquered areas and had empires yet have for years and still have a white fetish. Asian women also fetishize white men. It is not as uncommon as you think for many ti have an inferiority complex and long for or be jealous of what other races have.

What a dumb fucking post.

 

[Oceanmachine]

What a dumb fucking post.

many men have inferiority complexes. Its true, idk why this triggers you

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Turkey is still denying the Armenian genocide. Turkish government and Nationalists hate Greece . This is contemporary attitudes.

When DNA tests were done on Lebanese it was hoped that the genetic relatedness of Sunni, Shia and Christian Lebanese would make Lebanese come together and some of the ethnic/sectarian hatreds would disappear.

And did these tests show genetic differences between the religious groups in Lebanon?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

lets take it a step back here lol - if they're giving away land lets not forgot the vast majority of that region belongs to armenians - "anatolia" before it was rebranded has ALWAYS been the armenian highlands and is the original and culture homeland of the armenian people

I visited musadagh and van in 2017 and the kurds were still living in the old semi destroyed Armenian houses

but good luck with that, they don't want to give us back mount ararat which is literally meaningless land for them and is of the ancient culture landmarks for the armenian people

"us" ? Aren't you Murrcan? As in born and raised in Murrca?

 

[Misanthropist]

Turks had an inferiority complex due to their lack of physical prowess.

This has got to be a troll post. Pre-Islamic Turkic people were nomads and were described as the most fierce and warlike people by Europeans and Asians. They're the reason why Chinese, Persian, Romans and Caucasus empires built long walls and forts and they destroyed and pillaged multiple empires simultaneously over the last 3,000 years despite having only inferior tools and horses, the Hun led by Atilla is the most known one. They didn't just stop there but continued to expand after they've converted to Islam and their Turkic cousins (Mongols led by Genghis Khan) did the same as what their forefathers did by ravaging half of the world.

"Lack of physical prowess" my ass.

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

"us" ? Aren't you Murrcan? As in born and raised in Murrca?

na brah born and raised in Yerevan , Armenia

Currently hold dual citizenship

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

The only thing that makes a Hungarian Hungarian is the language and geography. Not genetics or any other hodgepodge culturally Euro tradition.

Imagine Turkish arrogance thinking they're immune to the same mixing that has been happening globally for years beyond counting.

Same thing with Québécois people, even though most of are pretty "pure French".
Any nationalism based on lineage purity / blood is total horseshit, especially in the case of Anatolia. I mean it would fly in the face of common sense. How could Turks believe that they are "pure Turks" is beyond me as most of them are obviously mixed with a shitload of other Mediteranean people.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

This has got to be a troll post. Pre-Islamic Turkic people were nomads and were described as the most fierce and warlike people by Europeans and Asians. They're the reason why Chinese, Persian, Romans and Caucasus empires built long walls and forts and they destroyed and pillaged multiple empires simultaneously over the last 3,000 years despite having only inferior tools and horses, the Hun led by Atilla is the most known one. They didn't just stop there but continued to expand after they've converted to Islam and their Turkic cousins (Mongols led by Genghis Khan) did the same as what their forefathers did by ravaging half of the world.

"Lack of physical prowess" my ass.

Actually if you go even further back, Herodotus describes the Scythes as the fiercest warriors but they were an Aryan / Iranian people, not Turkic peoplee. Totally messed up the Scythes, i.e. psychopaths with a death cult. The Ossetians of Southern Russia are the descendants of the Scythes, BTW, if I am not mistaken, and they are some of the best people at wrestling.

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

Same thing with Québécois people, even though most of are pretty "pure French".
Any nationalism based on lineage purity / blood is total horseshit, especially in the case of Anatolia. I mean it would fly in the face of common sense. How could Turks believe that they are "pure Turks" is beyond me as most of them are obviously mixed with a shitload of other Mediteranean people.

But they actually promote this narrative and most Turks believe it - all of their history is completely fabricated

when I went I visited Anatolia I expected to be angry but I was just shocked at how brainwashed people where

But then I looked at myself , how much independent research had I done in my life ?
I just sort of went with what we were thought and was generally accepted in our society

The current Kurds living there thought that Armenians were “Jews who were planning on invading them”

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

Actually if you go even further back, Herodotus describes the Scythes as the fiercest warriors but they were an Aryan / Iranian people, not Turkic peoplee. Totally messed up the Scythes, i.e. psychopaths with a death cult. The Ossetians of Southern Russia are the descendants of the Scythes, BTW, if I am not mistaken, and they are some of the best people at wrestling.

very good wrestlers , boxers, and overall humble hospitable and great people