Between 2010 to 2017, UFC fighters, in total, were paid $626 million. While Mayweather was paid...

DeathStroke said:
Lol. I work in the finance industry. Thats why I used it as an example.

You want to fight for what you're worth? Thats great. But what makes you think you're qualified to know what the fighters are worth? You're not a fighter, you're not Dana, you're not some kind of revenue analyst for the UFC.
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Helping out with the bills isn't the finance industry.

Fighters are worth far more than 18%. Don't worry so much about what I know, focus on developing what you know.
 
Sweater of AV said:
Helping out with the bills isn't the finance industry.

Fighters are worth far more than 18%. Don't worry so much about what I know, focus on developing what you know.
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You got me. I have absolutely no defence against such a high level internet tough guy.
 
RenTucka said:
I've never met so many people infatuated with the taste of rubber. Let's get some things out of the way. Dana and Head office are pieces of horse shit. That being said, they are in no way obligated to pay the fighters more money. It must be remembered that companies are not doing you a favour when they pay you for work, they are filling a need for as little as possible. If Dana and his people had full control each UFC fighter would be lucky to see 200/200 in Pesos.

This is why we need collective bargaining for workers and competition for orgs. Dana is a union busting garbage man, and we must legislate this behavior out of existence. We need more high profile lawsuits and fewer short sighted fighters.
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It was a simple question. Your views of Dana aren’t really relevant.

collective bargaining doesn’t automatically address the question either.

you didn’t answer the question.
 
Another crybaby thread. You people just can’t worry about your own lives and paychecks. Pathetic.
 
Sad Dad said:
Well above market? They control the market dummy. As a CEO I would expect, like with any other professional sport, to negotiate with a union. I am pro union. You should be too.
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Lol at name calling.

why should i be pro union?

every other sports “league” you have a players association bargaining with a collection of franchise owners.

no individual sport has a CBA or a union. And bargaining with a singular entity again doesn’t change the competitive marketplace. They still have other orgs as a benchmark to measure pay against.

and again, you didn’t answer the question.
 
kflo said:
It was a simple question. Your views of Dana aren’t really relevant.

collective bargaining doesn’t automatically address the question either.

you didn’t answer the question.
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Answering logical questions isn't a strong point of that crowd.
 
I mean UFC fighters drew way less than Floyd, and the amount of venues the UFC payed for to reach Floyd's viewers shows how less efficient it is.
 
kflo said:
Lol at name calling.

why should i be pro union?

every other sports “league” you have a players association bargaining with a collection of franchise owners.

no individual sport has a CBA or a union. And bargaining with a singular entity again doesn’t change the competitive marketplace. They still have other orgs as a benchmark to measure pay against.

and again, you didn’t answer the question.
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Lol That’s not true, you can see this by doing a quick google search https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sports_trade_unions
I also did answer the question by explaining to you that the UFC controls the majority of the market, so asking me if I would pay above market if I owned the UFC makes no sense because I would dictate the market. The athletes are the main asset on any sports organization and should be respected and treated accordingly. Non profit sharing isn’t smart business anyway it’s short term gratification and creates problems with logistics and longevity. Now that MMA is mainstream the companies should be competing for the interest of the talent. What do you do for work if I may ask?
 
Sad Dad said:
Lol That’s not true, you can see this by doing a quick google search https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sports_trade_unions
I also did answer the question by explaining to you that the UFC controls the majority of the market, so asking me if I would pay above market if I owned the UFC makes no sense because I would dictate the market. The athletes are the main asset on any sports organization and should be respected and treated accordingly. Non profit sharing isn’t smart business anyway it’s short term gratification and creates problems with logistics and longevity. Now that MMA is mainstream the companies should be competing for the interest of the talent. What do you do for work if I may ask?
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You could at least point me to the individual sport with the CBA instead of a blanket link.

The ufc is not a monopoly and does not control the market. Fighters are free to negotiate with other orgs and bring their fame and name with them.

Non profit sharing isn’t smart business? Is overpaying for talent? Again, you’re still not addressing what you would do, other than coping out and saying you control the market. In other words, you’d do the same thing, except you then go on to say non-profit sharing isn’t smart business......

I don’t know what competing for the interest of the talent means.

I work in management in the financial services and insurance industry.
 
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and now he's out here doing exhibition bouts making even more money.
 
kflo said:
You could at least point me to the individual sport with the CBA instead of a blanket link.

The ufc is not a monopoly and does not control the market. Fighters are free to negotiate with other orgs and bring their fame and name with them.

Non profit sharing isn’t smart business? Is overpaying for talent? Again, you’re still not addressing what you would do, other than coping out and saying you control the market. In other words, you’d do the same thing, except you then go on to say non-profit sharing isn’t smart business......

I don’t know what competing for the interest of the talent means.

I work in management in the financial services and insurance industry.
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Higher minimum fighter pay for low end fighters, full family health coverage, PPV and viewership shares. That’s what I would do differently to start. If you have pride in your business and care about more than hoarding tangible wealth offshore, then profit sharing and reinvesting is the way to insure the future and integrity of your business. If you want to hoard wealth and put out fires I’m sure you can make money but I don’t advocate for corporate greed. Still plenty of money to be made while practicing ethical business. Literally the only reason the UFC isn't a monopoly is because of Bellator. The UFC still has by definition “monopoly power” or “market power” fighters are much less likely to be able to make a name with the same skill sets as upcoming ufc talent. And Bellator doesn’t really make enough money to pay unproven prospects lucratively because of the gamble and the risk of signing with the brand that has name recognition. Hopefully Bellator continues to grow and sign new talent instead of scouting retired fighters because legit competition will be good for the athletes.

*edit do you think paying low end guys more than 15k is overpaying talent? This is a premier sports organization and these guys make way less money per year than I do and I don’t even have a degree. Not only that, these guys are mostly paying for their own training. Imagine if a top 500 talent in the world in any other field was making less than 70k per year.
 
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Sad Dad said:
Higher minimum fighter pay for low end fighters, full family health coverage, PPV and viewership shares. That’s what I would do differently to start. If you have pride in your business and care about more than hoarding tangible wealth offshore, then profit sharing and reinvesting is the way to insure the future and integrity of your business. If you want to hoard wealth and put out fires I’m sure you can make money but I don’t advocate for corporate greed. Still plenty of money to be made while practicing ethical business. Literally the only reason the UFC isn't a monopoly is because of Bellator. The UFC still has by definition “monopoly power” or “market power” fighters are much less likely to be able to make a name with the same skill sets as upcoming ufc talent. And Bellator doesn’t really make enough money to pay unproven prospects lucratively because of the gamble and the risk of signing with the brand that has name recognition. Hopefully Bellator continues to grow and sign new talent instead of scouting retired fighters because legit competition will be good for the athletes.
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I’m not sure what you think the benefit is for overpaying for replaceable entry level talent. Fighters who drive ppv sales get ppv share as well. But again paying above market just because you make above market doesn’t seem like wise business. The revenue generated just by being in the ufc is a multiple of what it would be fighting for another org. Why should the ufc give that to the fighter?
 
kflo said:
I’m not sure what you think the benefit is for overpaying for replaceable entry level talent. Fighters who drive ppv sales get ppv share as well. But again paying above market just because you make above market doesn’t seem like wise business. The revenue generated just by being in the ufc is a multiple of what it would be fighting for another org. Why should the ufc give that to the fighter?
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The attitude of “they’re lucky to be fighting in the ufc” is corporate shilling. Pre Reebok you might be right, but low level ufc guys don’t make the difference up in sponsorships anymore. Do you prefer this trash talk, ranking mean little WME era? I want MMA to be as legitimate as possible. I understand why Dana and the WME guys handle business the way they do, I totally get it. I just don’t agree with it, I think they can make plenty of money without being exploitative.
 
Im never gonna support anyone that doesnt look at their contracts.

That said ill always make fun of anyone willing to pay that 1 asshole that much.
 
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