Wait, some Sherdoggers actually think Izzy beats Jones?

[CatchnShoot]

Prime vs Prime JJ wins 98/100 times. This ain't that, though, and it'd be an intriguing fight.
Not saying Israel WOULD win, but he certainly COULD given the trajectory of each fighters' career arc.

 

[Canarinha]

Izzy's devastating leg kicks might make Jones think twice but if Jones can get this fight to the ground, then Jones has all the opportunities in the world to unleash some devastating GnP.

That is, if Izzy's takedown defense and clinch work isn't strong enough to keep Jones at bay.

Has Jones ever faced a striker as seasoned as Adesanya is before though (other than the ones with serious knee problems)?

Adesanya's fight IQ is something that Jones probably hasn't seen before (other than a prime Evans), and he's probably quicker than Jones is too.

That being said, Izzy needs more title defenses before this fight even thinks about coming to fruition because Izzy hasn't faced as many elite fighters of varying styles as Jones has at this time.

Erase that IF....Jones is at his best when there is a grudge, he will gnp Izzy with vicious elbows.

 

[blaseblah]

If Pereira knocked out Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?

If Vettori fought Izzy to a split decision, what's to say Jones can't?


If Kelvin hurt and dropped Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?

You see how dumb that is?
Don't ever mmath bro

You realize Pereira is an elite kickboxer? How well do you think Jones would fair against him in a kickboxing match? When's the last time Jones KO'd anyone?

Prime Jones would beat Izzy. But he's not in his prime. He's looked much weaker these past few fights. His offense has declined. His wrestling doesn't look as good. He couldn't take Santos or Reyes down and arguably should've lost to both. You're judging Jones based on his past accomplishments and GOAT status instead of the fighter that exists today.

 

[13Seconds]

If Pereira knocked out Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?
If Vettori fought Izzy to a split decision, what's to say Jones can't?
If Kelvin hurt and dropped Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?

You see how dumb that is?
Don't ever mmath bro

Jones can't KO shit with his hands for starters

 

[mirellale]

GIven how terrible Jones' last 5 performances have been

I didn't know people thought his performance against Gus was terrible.

 

[chaos_36]

It depends on what Jones shows up. Jones looked awful against OSP, but then became the first to finish DC in his next fight.

I wonder what changed?

 

[drbolony]

If Pereira knocked out Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?
If Vettori fought Izzy to a split decision, what's to say Jones can't?
If Kelvin hurt and dropped Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?

You see how dumb that is?
Don't ever mmath bro

That's MMAmath, bro.

You mean because a legit two weight world champion in Kickboxing ko'd Izzy (in a fight he was dominating, but that doesn't matter) Jones can too?

You mean because Kelvin who has hands Jones dreams of having, can hurt Izzy, Jon can?

The Vetorri example is a good point, but it's still the very thing you're projecting on to people, MMAmath.

Fact is you don't understand this game as much as you think you do, you just make broad generalizations. You've been making the same three points this whole thread. Can you tell us why those guys posed threats to Izzy? Can you tell us how Jon is going to beat Izzy? What threats does Jon pose? Without googling or copy and pasting please.

*MMA

Spoiler

 

[Anoose]

Jones is old, even in his prime Isitreal gives him problems, Jones relies on keeping you on the outside, carefully trapping you against the cage using his crazy reach to pick you apart, when his opponent tries to close the distance he either has plenty of time to escape and reset or he traps them in the clinch and takes them down for a good ol' smashing. If he has you against the cage he wants to take you down, his best takedowns are from the clinch and use his crazy leverage. All of this is why he has always struggled against tall fighters that can match his range, he couldn't escape in time vs. Gustfsson for example, Gus was long and fast enough to get him. Against, Reyes and Marreta, he wasn't strong enough in the clinch, he didn't have the leverage, so he switches to a double leg, sometimes it works like vs. Gus 2, but the problem with this is that Jones is pretty tall so he has a long way to go down, also he is not the most explosive, on top of all that he has to shoot from way outside vs. tall, rangy fighters so they can see it coming and easily defend.
Trapping Isitreal is a huge problem, I believe that in his prime Jones is fast enough to catch him and strong enough to force the take-down, now a days, not so sure. Israel has his hands full with either Jones or Cannonier both are great fights.

 

[The Legendary Scarface]

That's MMAmath, bro.

You mean because a legit two weight world champion in Kickboxing ko'd Izzy (in a fight he was dominating, but that doesn't matter) Jones can too?

You mean because Kelvin who has hands Jones dreams of having, can hurt Izzy, Jon can?

The Vetorri example is a good point, but it's still the very thing you're projecting on to people, MMAmath.

Fact is you don't understand this game as much as you think you do, you just make broad generalizations. You've been making the same three points this whole thread. Can you tell us why those guys posed threats to Izzy? Can you tell us how Jon is going to beat Izzy? What threats does Jon pose? Without googling or copy and pasting please.

*MMA

Spoiler

You're completely taking my post out of context. That post was a response to someone doing mmath so I responded with some mmath. It was sarcastic, but you didn't get that. And then you post a gif of Izzy humping Costa? How can you enjoy something so classless? Is this what all Izzy fans are like , or just you?

 

[seanb1979]

I could see Izzy beating the current version of Jones if Jones refuses to try any takedowns.

 

[SerbBerserk]

Izzy would probably beat Jones standing, he matches up physically and is obviously the more skilled Kickboxer. Jon's grappling hasn't looked dominant lately, but I think a motivated Jones should still have alot better of a ground game, and would probably strangle him.

 

[Xoleth]

If Izzy beats Jones . I'll delete my account.

Oh, no, an account from 2019.
Not that one!

#legitscared

 

[stav]

@GoshiShun17 get your ass in here dawg.
I saw the profile pic, congrats on the baby but you've got some 'splaining to do bradtha...

Jones isn't some guy who Izzy has reach and length on like all the rest. Jon is Izzy's height with 4.5 inches of reach on him. You think he isn't gonna use that? You think Jon Jones is gonna stand there and be Izzy's punching bag ? Lmfao stop. ..

Jones isn't Kelvin, Yoel, or Whittaker bro -- he's gonna actually use his wrestling, and take that boy down. Then its gonna get ugly real quick. Also, everything that Izzy can land in KBing range, Jon can too, but keeping Izzy out of reach.

Throw in elbows, knees, and a GOAT chin, and Izzy is unequivocally fucked.

Stop the bullshit bro.

If Izzy beats Jones . I'll delete my account.

JJ has not looked the same in his past 3 fights.

he is showing signs of slowing down.

JJ 6 years ago vs today Izzy I would be with you.

but right now... this one is in the air.

 

[Axe720]

If Jones commits to using his wrestling, he wins. If he tries to stay on the feet, it's 50/50.

 

[boss429]

@GoshiShun17 get your ass in here dawg.
I saw the profile pic, congrats on the baby but you've got some 'splaining to do bradtha...

Jones isn't some guy who Izzy has reach and length on like all the rest. Jon is Izzy's height with 4.5 inches of reach on him. You think he isn't gonna use that? You think Jon Jones is gonna stand there and be Izzy's punching bag ? Lmfao stop. ..

Jones isn't Kelvin, Yoel, or Whittaker bro -- he's gonna actually use his wrestling, and take that boy down. Then its gonna get ugly real quick. Also, everything that Izzy can land in KBing range, Jon can too, but keeping Izzy out of reach.

Throw in elbows, knees, and a GOAT chin, and Izzy is unequivocally fucked.

Stop the bullshit bro.

If Izzy beats Jones . I'll delete my account.

I love Izzy since he's the closest thing we have to prime Andy style wise but yeah, fighting Jon is a huge mistake if he wants to keep his stock at the height it currently is.

Well there is a good chance Jon does fight a pure stand up fight to prove a point that he can beat Izzy at his own strength, (which he has been doing for a while now likely out of boredom from barely being challenged for so long), he also has an iron chin and rarely gets hit clean with counters.

He's very creative, will have a strength, power and reach advantage over Izzy and always has that plan B grappling game to fall back on if need be.

People have started doubting Jon after the Santos fight, (which he clearly won 4-1), cause they expected him to walk right through him and then the Reyes fight, (closest of his career but he still won) but both these fights were against opponents he didn't see as a real challenge and didn't take his camp seriously. A rematch would look no different than the Gus and DC rematches where he went in to make a statement after tough first fights he took lightly.

A fight with Izzy he would take very seriously and after all the talk from Izzy would be looking to make a statement. Serious Jon is a very dangerous man.

Izzy, coming off a spectacular win against a guy who's style was tailor made to produce that breakout win for him stock is at an all time high and this is a "what have you done for me lately" sport so he has all the hype from the fans and they are pushing to make this happen believing he will be the one to finally dethrone the villain Jones.

But, mark my words, this would be a huge mistake, (and I like Izzy way more than I like Jon). Izzy matches up terribly against Jon and will lose in humiliating fashion and afterwards the fans will turn on him.

Izzy will become " another blown up MW" Jon "cherry picked" to "duck HW" and was never "that good" anyway despite the fact the fight only happens and keeps Jon from moving to HW because the fans are making the most noise about wanting that fight right now.

Izzy's stock will never recover and he really has no possible path to victory that I can see. Huge mistake and if the UFC are smart they will forever leave this one as a "what if" instead of giving us the inevitable and clear (IMO) decisive answer to the question that 90% of fans won't like.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Izzy has a secret weapon, he doesn’t need eye pokes to stun the opponent when he can

 

[drbolony]

You're completely taking my post out of context. That post was a response to someone doing mmath so I responded with some mmath. It was sarcastic, but you didn't get that. And then you post a gif of Izzy humping Costa? How can you enjoy something so classless? Is this what all Izzy fans are like , or just you?

Regardless who you're responding to, that's what you believe. Or are you just going to try to back track out of this one too? Obviously it wasn't in response to just one person since you've made the same reply to more than one poster.

So since you where just using that MMAmath sarcastically, prove it. Defend your points. Do you have one? Do you understand what you're watching? Cause at this point I think you're just another JustOnce, here to spout your hot takes and condescend anyone who doesn't agree. Evasion 101.

So please, instead of trying to avoid my questions by implying that I'm classless, why don't you defend your points with your narrow understanding of MMA and fighting in general?

 

[Kanka]

Jon Jones would absolutely obliterate Israel Adesanya, but if he can't, then the UFC should be shut down because Jones losing would prove that kickboxing is inherently superior to MMA.

No ir wouldn't. Jon Jones striking is quite basic but regardless of who wins, it doesn't say anything about kickboxing vs mma. And that is coming from a mostly kickboxing and Muay Thai fan.

 

[Through The Looking Glass]

Jones is a bad matchup for Israel.

with the clinching and wrestling and also the range Jones has.

Israel will not be a able to strike at all without worrying about Jones getting ahold of him.

And on top of that has to worry about all the crazy shit Jones throws.

 

[The Legendary Scarface]

Regardless who you're responding to, that's what you believe. Or are you just going to try to back track out of this one too? Obviously it wasn't in response to just one person since you've made the same reply to more than one poster.

So since you where just using that MMAmath sarcastically, prove it. Defend your points. Do you have one? Do you understand what you're watching? Cause at this point I think you're just another JustOnce, here to spout your hot takes and condescend anyone who doesn't agree. Evasion 101.

So please, instead of trying to avoid my questions by implying that I'm classless, why don't you defend your points with your narrow understanding of MMA and fighting in general?

First of all...you're way too sensitive about someone on Sherdog not agreeing with you that your favorite fighter would win a fight...you sound like a child.

Now,

1- This is my original post.
"If Pereira knocked out Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?
If Vettori fought Izzy to a split decision, what's to say Jones can't?
If Kelvin hurt and dropped Izzy, what's to say Jones can't?

You see how dumb that is?
Don't ever mmath bro"

Do you not see the last 2 sentences. Let me capitalize them for you ---

"YOU SEE HOW DUMB THAT IS?"
"DON'T EVER MMATH BRO"

By that, you should clearly understand what I meant by that so stop telling me that I believe it.

2- Nobody is avoiding of answering your goofy ass questions about why Izzy who's been in the UFC for 2 years loses to arguably the greatest fighter of all time, who also happens to be bigger, stronger, and have reach on him as well. Are you stupid?

He loses because he doesn't have the power to hurt Jones, or the strength or frame to not get taken down eventually. Jones is a much more well rounded fighter with much more experience in finding ways to win against every possible style for the past 12+ years. .

So let's sum it up -
Size
Strength
Power
Clinch
Equal versatility with striking to Izzy
Reach
Wrestling
Experience

It's not rocket science bud.

If you're so confident, bet your account. End of story.