Opinion Is Donald Trump the worst president ever?

[Ares Black]

Lol. A Canadian replying. No wars and the best economy we have seen. Spoke out for 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Exposed a lot of bullshit that goes on in politics. Sure, he must be the worst.

*Incited a riot and attempted a coup to keep his donors donating. He belongs in prison.

 

[Hadron90]

He's top 3 best presidents, easy.

 

[ineverpost]

Slavery still exists in the American prison system.

While still morally wrong in my opinion, it is not rational to compare enslavement of someone simply for being black to enslavement because someone did something that they can arguably control.

 

[Source]

Policy-wise he's actually pretty decent IMO. Character-wise it's not even close.

Seeing your lack of character I thought you would like him for that.

 

[Loiosh]

While still morally wrong in my opinion, it is not rational to compare enslavement of someone simply for being black to enslavement because someone did something that they can arguably control.

I agree with you. That isn't what I'm doing.

America has a serious problem with prison for profit. Anyone who doesn't believe there is systematic racism just has to take a close look at incarceration policies and the amount of money made by selling prison labor to corporations. This has been a huge problem for decades.

 

[Last Falconry]

he’s been about as good at being president as you could reasonably expect given his abject failure at basically every aspect of life

his shittiness is the one consistent thing about him

 

[Finding Deebo]

Did you notice the question mark? I asked if you thought it meant he was tough or competent. Of course instead of answering you deflected and made accusations toward me.

Here’s why I asked you: You said people were put off by Trump’s brazenness because they are “weak and cowardly.” I assumed you’re not put off by it as you likely don’t think of yourself as cowardly and weak. So what do you think of it? You’re impressed by someone who talks and acts like that?

You then posited that these people are likely so cowardly and weak because of their “simultaneously large and delicate egos” spurred on by social media. Which I found ironic as it describes Trump better than anyone else I can think of.

I noticed the question mark, I'm just not sure how you got to assuming tough and competent from what I said. And the point I was making was that this element of his personality, regardless of anything else he does, would result in the same reaction from the types of people that are weak and cowardly. However, there seems to be a growing contingent of the populous that cares more about how someone's outward personality makes them feel vs. what they do/have done.

As for "impressed", no, I've got enough time in MMA to know that only action is worth a dam. And no, I don't fancy myself as any sort of badass, but the reality is that there's toughness that's needed to succeed in this world not just for the individual, but for society writ large that is becoming increasingly absent.

Criticize him for actions, esp. in retrospect sure, but before he did ANYTHING people hated him, and not just dislike, a severe emotional response that went way beyond anything he'd actually done to that point. People were less disappointed in Bush II getting re-elected even after his track record than Trump before he had a second in the office or any politics for that matter.

 

[SL1200]

It's not even a question.

Not really an answer to my question now is it?

 

[MadNIghtKing]

This is actually for his supporters, how can you realistically argue that Donald Trump with his multiple violations. (Dont think the internet has the bandwidth for me to list them all) is not the worst president ever of the greatest country in the world?

This is a really silly question. How can you even measure worst president ever? How much do you even know about Presidents like John Tyler and Franklin Pierce, you would have to read books on what they accomplished to judge them. And guess what...most of the books were written by people who were hired by the President to write good things about them.

Even if you created your own Phd 10-year school program on Presidential studies its comparing apples to oranges. Completely different country, world dynamics, economics, social issues, media attention/agenda, different challenges faced. There is no way to track what went on day-to-day.

Just an example, I watched a little documentary on the Spanish Flu of 1918 and how Woodrow Wilson and his staff did absolutely nothing even though Doctors and Scientists wrote letters and tried to get the word out there that it was going to kill close to a Million Americans(and it did). Woodrow Wilson refused to even mention it and said it was nothing more than your average cough and fever.

Think before you post please.

 

[squeezewax]

This is actually for his supporters, how can you realistically argue that Donald Trump with his multiple violations. (Dont think the internet has the bandwidth for me to list them all) is not the worst president ever of the greatest country in the world?

If you only listen to programmes, or read sites or papers that say bad things about a person, you'll have a distorted view of that person. If you do this for 4 yrs then i understand your comments.

 

[HARRISON_3]

He's new to politics, give him a chance.

 

[ufcfan4]

I’m not his supporter, but I’m still saying “no he’s not” so far. Buchanan and A. Johnson’s horrible decisions had worse ramifications. As awful as things are right now, it’s not as big a crisis as the Civil War was.

Does Trump have the worst character of any president? Unequivocally yes.
I rank him 3rd worst all time.

oh man Buchanan was baaaad. He ranks lowest on most historians’ list these days.

It’s funny how perceptions can change over the years. I had books of lists from the 80s where Nixon would be consistently ranked dead last or next to last- I bought a book on presidents recently and he was significantly higher. I tend to think he did have some good policies and made strides in diplomacy but obviously he was his own worst enemy and the handling of watergate really stained the office for a while.


DJT’s behavior in his lame duck period alone makes him unlikely to be viewed kindly in the history books. Not to mention the other issues during the administration.

 

[ufcfan4]

This is a really silly question. How can you even measure worst president ever? How much do you even know about Presidents like John Tyler and Franklin Pierce, you would have to read books on what they accomplished to judge them. And guess what...most of the books were written by people who were hired by the President to write good things about them.

Even if you created your own Phd 10-year school program on Presidential studies its comparing apples to oranges. Completely different country, world dynamics, economics, social issues, media attention/agenda, different challenges faced. There is no way to track what went on day-to-day.

Just an example, I watched a little documentary on the Spanish Flu of 1918 and how Woodrow Wilson and his staff did absolutely nothing even though Doctors and Scientists wrote letters and tried to get the word out there that it was going to kill close to a Million Americans(and it did). Woodrow Wilson refused to even mention it and said it was nothing more than your average cough and fever.

Think before you post please.

Good points.

I will say this, Polk was a beast and a probable top 10. If achieving virtually every goal you set for your administration is a sign of quality President then he’s an epic one.

Worked himself near to death, only had one term (by his own design) and died shortly thereafter but he’s a pretty fascinating figure.

A lot of those pre civil war guys like Pierce and Buchanan are thought of as very poor
in hindsight. Shame too cause Pierce was supposedly a legit good guy.

 

[Ares Black]

He's top 3 best presidents, easy.

What an awful thing to say about your country.

 

[Officer Rick]

at least top 3 worst and worst in the last hundred years easily

 

[Officer Rick]

He's top 3 best presidents, easy.

what a weak troll.. 1/10
low energy even

SAD!

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

After the past few weeks it's pretty hard to argue against it.

It's crazy that we are hardly even talking about the perfect phone call he made to Georgia anymore.

Yes, he is the worst ever. Maybe not policy wise, although he sucked there too but mainly the daily humiliations, weakening the reputation of the US on the world stage, the unprecedented lying (EVEN IN POLITICS he shatters every record), and most of all just the blatant corruption.

He was unfit to serve before he was elected and he did his best to prove that every single day. Never once did he take the high road, never once did he surprise us and show some leadership or even decency. It was a circus start to finish and history will remember it as such.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I noticed the question mark, I'm just not sure how you got to assuming tough and competent from what I said. And the point I was making was that this element of his personality, regardless of anything else he does, would result in the same reaction from the types of people that are weak and cowardly. However, there seems to be a growing contingent of the populous that cares more about how someone's outward personality makes them feel vs. what they do/have done.

As for "impressed", no, I've got enough time in MMA to know that only action is worth a dam. And no, I don't fancy myself as any sort of badass, but the reality is that there's toughness that's needed to succeed in this world not just for the individual, but for society writ large that is becoming increasingly absent.

Criticize him for actions, esp. in retrospect sure, but before he did ANYTHING people hated him, and not just dislike, a severe emotional response that went way beyond anything he'd actually done to that point. People were less disappointed in Bush II getting re-elected even after his track record than Trump before he had a second in the office or any politics for that matter.

I didn’t assume tough and competent, I asked about it.

Anyway, my criticism of your first analysis is really that I don’t think anyone being put off by Trump’s brazenness indicates that they are soft or weak or anything. They may be, but that’s not the reason why it bothers them. I know for myself I just want someone to present a professional appearance and demeanor no matter what job they’re doing. If you can’t even do that at the interview then I’m going to start off very unimpressed with you. Particularly when a large part of the job of being President is being a representative of your country in formal meetings and calls with other world leaders.

 

[luckyshot]

Probably the best we the people ever had, why do you think the establishment did everything they could to bring him down?

All "the establishment" had to do to bring him down was to let him be himself.

And it worked.

Trump has probably single-handedly discredited right wing populism for the rest of our lifetimes.

Sorry/ not sorry.

 

[Ares Black]

While still morally wrong in my opinion, it is not rational to compare enslavement of someone simply for being black to enslavement because someone did something that they can arguably control.

The key word there is arguably.

Lots of people end up enslaved in prison through no fault of their own, and many, many more are unfairly punished for relatively minor offenses.

The very idea of prison for profit is abhorrent and evil.