Social Coke urges employees to be "less white" through diversity training

[Gandhi]

And who created the ghettos? Are you aware that redlining still exists to this very day?

And how do people get out of ghettos, or generally escape poverty?

History tells us that the American middle class was built on two things - the ability to acquire loans, and government assistance like the GI Bill after WW2. These two things created the largest explosion of the middle class in the history of the world. And it's easy to see why. Joe Schmoe owns nothing, then gets a home loan or small business loan, and now all of a sudden he has assets which in turn creates generational wealth in families. It's probably the reason you most likely grew up in a middle class home, went to a decent public school, enjoyed decent healthcare.

African Americans were left out of that entire equation. The few who did manage to secure some assets, such as homes, were restricted to areas where their homes did not appreciate nearly as much as everyone else's.

So the government herded blacks into the worst areas of town, where they did not enjoy the same opportunities as whites, and therefore were always living under the thumb of a landlord and spending their money in white owned businesses because up until recently, it was near impossible for African Americans to secure small business loans and therefore improve their own communities. Also, given schools are funded by property taxes, their schools suffered more, as well as their access to healthcare.

Now, have things gotten much better? Absolutely. But acting as if none of this happened, or that it is so far removed in the past that it doesn't matter, only potentiates the divide between races. Blacks are bitter because they've traditionally got the raw end of the stick - always paying a white slumlord, only seeing businesses in their neighborhoods operated by anyone but African Americans. They did not enjoy the same opportunities that whites were using to build that generational wealth. That doesn't mean your average middle class white guy is responsible, on the contrary, whites used those opportunities to their benefit and built something that the rest of the world envies. No shame in that whatsoever.

However, ignoring a lot of the variables and dynamics that actually built the ghettos is short-sighted. Snapping your fingers and saying "black people have equal opportunity with whites now' doesn't wash away the fact that whites have had 2 or 3 generations of owning small businesses, farms, family homes, educational loans, etc to build what are great communities today.

Yes, African Americans have it much better today than 70 years ago. But 70 years is not that long of a time when you are talking about uplifting lower class communities into middle class communities, and it's very easy to understand that desperation breeds crime and a vicious cycle that is difficult to escape, hence ghettos, and the snowball effect of never actually being able to own anything, or pass anything down to your children. Even if the majority of whites are not recipients of this generational wealth, they still benefited from the middle class schools, healthcare, and a variety of opportunities that make even securing a loan much more viable.

This is not to say that what Coke is doing is the answer - far from it, I don't agree with attempting to elevate one group at the expense of another - that would simply be repeating the same mistakes. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but going to the other extreme, by ignoring how our middle class was actually built and who exactly were the beneficiaries of that, is not the answer either. Not saying you are specifically, but it is quite common.

Excellent post.

 

[Anewt]

The immigration thing is apples to potatoes. You can’t ignore history and how it impacts people just because we have immigrants. Slavery, Jim Crow, the GI Bill, housing act; defacto slavery via the penal system that existed in some states as late as the 60s, sentencing disparities, etc. etc. etc. don’t just disappear as events that have legacy impacts on certain populations because of immigrants. And anyone claiming to be for equality would not advocate for pretending these things did not happen / have impact.

That being said I think focusing on poverty, education, and infrastructure in general is the better outcome. In some case a more targeted approach is needed (like if a programs was not being utilized by a certain group it would make sense to understand why and course correct). Concepts like white privileged or be less white is horrible branding even if I understand that it is simple NOT the same as some guy wearing white robs and burning crosses.

I half agree. This is my problem with group identity especially by pigment. But I'm not assigning American history and context to people whom never experienced it. Just because they have a similar pigment. That to me is inherently flawed, I'm not claiming those things didn't happen or dont have relevance.

Of course burning crosses is vastly different to stating whites should be less white. Pretty sure nobody would argue they are similar.

But. In this day and age. A statement of be less black and be less white are identical to me. Both should be ridiculed. Equally.

All of your points are relevant and are good points in the context of how you're viewing it, but in the context of now and the direct statement blacks should be less black or whites should be less white, for me Both are ridiculously equal statements and should be approached and ridiculed as such.


Nothing wrong with disagreeing mate. Cheers for the polite conversation

 

[Gandhi]

I half agree. This is my problem with group identity especially by pigment. But I'm not assigning American history and context to people whom never experienced it. Just because they have a similar pigment. That to me is inherently flawed, I'm not claiming those things didn't happen or dont have relevance.

Of course burning crosses is vastly different to stating whites should be less white. Pretty sure nobody would argue they are similar.

But. In this day and age. A statement of be less black and be less white are identical to me. Both should be ridiculed. Equally.

All of your points are relevant and are good points in the context of how you're viewing it, but in the context of now and the direct statement blacks should be less black or whites should be less white, for me Both are ridiculously equal statements and should be approached and ridiculed as such.


Nothing wrong with disagreeing mate. Cheers for the polite conversation

I think the flaw here is that black America is a cultural group tied together by a common inherited history. It’s an ethnic group. It exists because all other forms of heritage for these blacks was stripped away by slavery. It’s more than a pigment. Black/Afro American is a real cultural group and no one is assigning their history to immigrants.

In that context be less black would imply an agreement with negative black stereo types /traits and the assignment of blame to a blacks for them. Ie don’t be such a criminal.

Be less white implies, recognize the systemic advantages, your inherent racism, and behave differently.

I think both are flawed, but it’s easy to see that they are not the same.

 

[ElKarlo]

Pick a position and stick with it. You either believe people can be programmed (oh I'm sorry "misled") or they can't.

Being "misled" isn't reserved merely for your political opponents while your side is completely infallible to the nonsense the media and corporations regurgitate.


Jesus you're such a dishonest hack.

I know. He used to be such a good poster and now he Carrie so much water for an awful political faction. It’s like dealing with a house on quick sand. It’s always shifting and you never know where you’ll be standing in five minutes

 

[The Big Bang]

Are you in elementary school ?

You KNOW as well as I do that MANY people here only care about $$$.

I (being VERY privileged) have been treated at least a bit less hateful because I am and I come from $$$$$.

Hate that reality all you want, it doesn't matter.

 

[TheBlondBomber]

Oh, I thought it was asking their employees to be more race neutral. To assimilate into a race neutral Coca Cola culture. I can see how we might have reached different conclusions.

did they ask the Sri Lankan employees to be less brown? Or the employee from Nigeria to be less black? If they were truly going for a race neutral environment, don’t single out a race. Very disingenuous from you.

 

[ElKarlo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-racism-eating-black-80k-Smith-College.html SMH at all the hysterical women that back this bogeyman and witch trial nonsense @Lowmanproblems this nonsense actually ruins people’s lives directly

 

[Anewt]

I think the flaw here is that black America is a cultural group tied together by a common inherited history. It’s an ethnic group. It exists because all other forms of heritage for these blacks was stripped away by slavery. It’s more than a pigment. Black/Afro American is a real cultural group and no one is assigning their history to immigrants.

In that context be less black would imply an agreement with negative black stereo types /traits and the assignment of blame to a blacks for them. Ie don’t be such a criminal.

Be less white implies, recognize the systemic advantages, your inherent racism, and behave differently.

I think both are flawed, but it’s easy to see that they are not the same.

Sorry I have to disagree. There are millions of African Americans who did not have their heritage stripped away . Nor did their families have anything to do with slavery, nor do their children. So they don't all have the same inherited history.


You can group em all together If you wish, but sorry that's not my cup of tea.

No .. that's how you would choose to interept " be less black " as a negative thing. That would include negative stereotypes and generalising. I agree as a matter of fact. Itd be something I'd actively speak out against.

Yet somehow be " less white " isn't. The fact that you throw " recognize your inherent racism " for whites somehow isn't a " negative trait or stereotype for white people and " behave differently " like most white people behave incorrectly is quite frightening.

All the best but sorry , your massive generalisation of white people being " inherently racist " and needing " to change their behaviour " is massively racist in itself . Truthfully it's a bit frightening.

All the best

 

[LMP]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-racism-eating-black-80k-Smith-College.html SMH at all the hysterical women that back this bogeyman and witch trial nonsense @Lowmanproblems this nonsense actually ruins people’s lives directly

 

[Jack V Savage]

Pick a position and stick with it. You either believe people can be programmed (oh I'm sorry "misled") or they can't.

Being "misled" isn't reserved merely for your political opponents while your side is completely infallible to the nonsense the media and corporations regurgitate.

Jesus you're such a dishonest hack.

Sigh. Misled refers to facts, programming to opinions. Very simple. Too many people here decide on a position before making the slightest effort to understand it and then think that dumb personal attacks are a good substitute for actual arguments.

 

[Seano]

Maybe not the right thread for this but I just saw a post on Facebook about how Kamala Harris's family descend from slaveowners. The story called it an inconvenient truth. Facebook fact checked and the fact check stated that while she was descended from slave owners, its "wasn't an inconvenience. "
Thats a facebook fact check.

 

[Gandhi]

Sorry I have to disagree. There are millions of African Americans who did not have their heritage stripped away . Nor did their families have anything to do with slavery, nor do their children. So they don't all have the same inherited history.


You can group em all together If you wish, but sorry that's not my cup of tea.

No .. that's how you would choose to interept " be less black " as a negative thing. That would include negative stereotypes and generalising. I agree as a matter of fact. Itd be something I'd actively speak out against.

Yet somehow be " less white " isn't. The fact that you throw " recognize your inherent racism " for whites somehow isn't a " negative trait or stereotype for white people and " behave differently " like most white people behave incorrectly is quite frightening.

All the best but sorry , your massive generalisation of white people being " inherently racist " and needing " to change their behaviour " is massively racist in itself . Truthfully it's a bit frightening.

All the best

Of course both are negative, again that was never in dispute.

Saying that someone who is born without certain disadvantages wont recognize that others face them without making a conscious effort to see it is not that controversial. It is the way the message is delivered that is important. Of course they way it was presented in the form of a massive generalization is a crappy way to make that point to someone. Again that is not my "massive generalization", I don't endorse it. Just saying that If you peel it back to the point that is trying to be made its just not on the same level as white supremacy.

 

[Last Falconry]

hour 95. I am now on my third twelve pack of Sam's Cola, with the entirety of my Coca-Cola supply now in the septic tank where it belongs. I hold my nose and close my eyes when I drink it, but the majesty and the delicious flavor is never the same. Why do all my favorite products hate me, a white man, just for being me? Do I not deserve to enjoy the world's best cola brand? The world's premier athletic apparel company? The highest level sports leagues in the world?

As I came inside from smashing my Keurig machine into lego sized pieces, I found a note from my wife. It says she is leaving me. I open another Sam's Cola. I fire up Parler. The latest news on Gina Carano is rolling in. This is all I need now

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

hour 95. I am now on my third twelve pack of Sam's Cola, with the entirety of my Coca-Cola supply now in the septic tank where it belongs. I hold my nose and close my eyes when I drink it, but the majesty and the delicious flavor is never the same. Why do all my favorite products hate me, a white man, just for being me? Do I not deserve to enjoy the world's best cola brand? The world's premier athletic apparel company? The highest level sports leagues in the world?

As I came inside from smashing my Keurig machine into lego sized pieces, I found a note from my wife. It says she is leaving me. I open another Sam's Cola. I fire up Parler. The latest news on Gina Carano is rolling in. This is all I need now

K keep us posted

 

[Rygu]

Could you imagine a company in China telling it's employees to "be less Chinese"?

 

[Proud American]

 

[The_Renaissance]

Maybe not the right thread for this but I just saw a post on Facebook about how Kamala Harris's family descend from slaveowners. The story called it an inconvenient truth. Facebook fact checked and the fact check stated that while she was descended from slave owners, its "wasn't an inconvenience. "
Thats a facebook fact check.

Personally, I think FB's days are numbered anyway - they're in the process of digging their own grave. I seem to see 3-4 friends close down their accounts every few weeks, more and more people are becoming distrustful of them and their behaviour and for the younger generation coming up, they aren't even that appealing. It's going out of fashion and doing this type of nonsense is shuffling them closer to the end.

 

[DoctorPablo]

Sorry I have to disagree. There are millions of African Americans who did not have their heritage stripped away . Nor did their families have anything to do with slavery, nor do their children. So they don't all have the same inherited history.


You can group em all together If you wish, but sorry that's not my cup of tea.

No .. that's how you would choose to interept " be less black " as a negative thing. That would include negative stereotypes and generalising. I agree as a matter of fact. Itd be something I'd actively speak out against.

Yet somehow be " less white " isn't. The fact that you throw " recognize your inherent racism " for whites somehow isn't a " negative trait or stereotype for white people and " behave differently " like most white people behave incorrectly is quite frightening.

All the best but sorry , your massive generalisation of white people being " inherently racist " and needing " to change their behaviour " is massively racist in itself . Truthfully it's a bit frightening.

All the best

I don’t see how people can be honest with themselves and at the same accept such blatant bigotry. It would be better if they would just admit their own bigotry.

 

[BassAckwards]

According to those behind this movement, it's to stop being dominant. Not even kidding.

You can't argue that this nonsense in anything other than a plea to white people to willingly relinquish their dominance (even though it's a false narrative by many angles).

lmao-so they want whites to be asian?

 

[SherShihTzu]

You probably want to dial it back about 95%. Trolling is an art of subtlety. You're doing it wrong.

I don't think he's trolling. I think this is the predominant opinion of non-whites. The white politicians, CEO's, etc. wouldn't be virtue signaling if there wasn't an audience demanding it.