UFC 260: Stipe vs Ngannou 2

Sono07 said:
Any opinions on Robertsons wrestling/ takedowns? I know her bjj is legit but if she can't get it to the ground I can see Maverick tagging her alot. Gillian isn't known for her striking. Maverick is also a bjj brown belt (not sure if it is MCdojo level or not) and I think she does a decent job maintaining her range.
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Miranda has a high school wrestling championship . Not a super high title like being state champion but she use to wrestle in high school with boys. She also has a decent amateur record to pile on to her pro record. Her gym is a muay thai heavy gym. Combine all this i think she is stylistic nightmare for Gillian.
 
Sono07 said:
Any opinions on Robertsons wrestling/ takedowns? I know her bjj is legit but if she can't get it to the ground I can see Maverick tagging her alot. Gillian isn't known for her striking. Maverick is also a bjj brown belt (not sure if it is MCdojo level or not) and I think she does a decent job maintaining her range.
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I capped this a while ago and ended up with 1U on Robertson. From what I remember Maverick's footwork is poor and she can end up in a narrow stance that is ripe for Robertson's single leg attacks. On the flip side, Maverick does go for TDs herself and we have seen Robertson struggle when she is in the bottom position. But, Maverick's BJJ is basic and pretty bad overall imo, and I think she will be outmatched in the grappling department.
 
Foghorn Leghorn said:
I've been thinking about playing Stipe by submission.
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Stipe not only has 0 submission wins in his career, he has 0 submission attempts credited in the UFC

And the UFC gives sub attempt stats out like candy. Defend a takedown into a front headlock control? Guillotine attempt. Tie up someone's arm while you're in their guard? That's an americana attempt

Don't. Stipes' wrestling is all about control and perhaps opening for ground and pound.
 
Stipe Round 5 by KO/TKO is +8000 and Betway.
Odds are off compared to Bet365.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Stipe not only has 0 submission wins in his career, he has 0 submission attempts credited in the UFC

And the UFC gives sub attempt stats out like candy. Defend a takedown into a front headlock control? Guillotine attempt. Tie up someone's arm while you're in their guard? That's an americana attempt

Don't. Stipes' wrestling is all about control and perhaps opening for ground and pound.
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I bet Stipe by submission in rounds 3, 4 and 5 at +10,000 each round in the first fight. I was pissed that Stipe didn’t go for a RNC to finish Nnganou. It was there all night for him.
 
Brockstar said:
I bet Stipe by submission in rounds 3, 4 and 5 at +10,000 each round in the first fight. I was pissed that Stipe didn’t go for a RNC to finish Nnganou. It was there all night for him.
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+2300 for sub this fight, any round. I'm seeing +5000 for sub each specific round.

I'm not gonna say no to betting lunch money on a guy with proven wrestling and control by late round sub at that high of odds even if he hasn't had a sub before. Doesn't take a lot of practice to hit an RNC on an exhausted opponent even if it'd be the first of his career. I hadn't realized sub odds were 2k+ (which is what they should be)
 
HockeyBjj said:
Stipe not only has 0 submission wins in his career, he has 0 submission attempts credited in the UFC

And the UFC gives sub attempt stats out like candy. Defend a takedown into a front headlock control? Guillotine attempt. Tie up someone's arm while you're in their guard? That's an americana attempt

Don't. Stipes' wrestling is all about control and perhaps opening for ground and pound.
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Brockstar said:
I bet Stipe by submission in rounds 3, 4 and 5 at +10,000 each round in the first fight. I was pissed that Stipe didn’t go for a RNC to finish Nnganou. It was there all night for him.
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I was basically thinking along the same line as @Brockstar here. I remember being completely perplexed that Stipe wasn't going for a RNC. I haven't seen the fight in a very long time, but I just remember the door being open.

I agree with you @HockeyBjj that it's unlikely, and it wouldn't be worth anything more than a small play. But if Stipe is to execute a similar game plan, and Ngannou hasn't improved his ground defence, it seems like an obvious PTV since it's a low skill option that you've gotta think his coaching team has pointed out to him. It might be his easiest PTV, even more than GnP
 
Stipe actually looked to be hunting for an arm midway through the fight but his entire strategy was being heavy on Ngannou the first time around and not burning out his arms looking for a sub. That said, definitely worth a flier at 18:1 imo
 
HockeyBjj said:
Stipe not only has 0 submission wins in his career, he has 0 submission attempts credited in the UFC

And the UFC gives sub attempt stats out like candy. Defend a takedown into a front headlock control? Guillotine attempt. Tie up someone's arm while you're in their guard? That's an americana attempt

Don't. Stipes' wrestling is all about control and perhaps opening for ground and pound.
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Damn, where'd you find that "0 submission attempts" stat? That type of info would be super helpful to know
 
Good interview for anyone considering betting the comain event.


Woodley says he is showing up to put on a performance, and is grateful to the UFC for the opportunity. Take from that what you will.
 
SolarSeiko said:
With Stipe being in a few wars lately and Francis training wrestling with 30% man + Latifi, I can't see how Stipe beats him again. I think the first 1-2 rounds are going to be a nervous feel out process for both fighters with Stipe maybe even landing a takedown and wasting a round. I'm going to bet Francis KO rounds 3,4 and 5.

Also Luque by decision will be nice, Woodley just gets beat up but I don't think he'll let himself get finished by Vicente.
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I had the exact same reads on both of those fights makes me feel a lot better about those picks. What odds are you getting?
 

The vibes I get from Twood here is that of a washed up fighter. I don't want to pay the juice on VL but I feel like Twood is done based on his disposition.
 
Watched the Woodley interview with Arial the other day and he has reached peak delusional levels. Confidence increased afterwards in Luque Ko'ing him instead of decision.
 
Sono07 said:
Personally I thought Woodley had his moments against Burns but Burns cardio isn't amazing honestly. I thought Tyron looked alot more washed against Colby though. A little grappling in r1 and he looked pretty gassed. He really just wanted out by r5 in that fight. He totally broke after one late TD in r4 and didn't want to get finished.
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I just rewatched Burns/Woodley at lunch today, Woodley did not have any moments in that fight and Burns cardio looked amazing. Woodley just looked content to lose, was just backing up, getting put on the fence and occasionally trying to land a big bomb.
 
MixMartialFarts said:
I just rewatched Burns/Woodley at lunch today, Woodley did not have any moments in that fight and Burns cardio looked amazing. Woodley just looked content to lose, was just backing up, getting put on the fence and occasionally trying to land a big bomb.
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He reversed Burns in the clinch and he also cracked Burns after he dropped his hands late. Burns looked like he was taking breaks and being dumb/cocky but I'd say he got a little tired. Dude strikes like a wild man.

But yeah Luque is going to roll here. Twood is showing up to get one last big meal ticket and say thank you Dana for the opportunity. Luque's bigger, probably stronger at this point, at least over 3 rounds. All that and his standup is better, I just can't see it for Woodley here
 
Sono07 said:
He reversed Burns in the clinch and he also cracked Burns after he dropped his hands late. Burns looked like he was taking breaks and being dumb/cocky but I'd say he got a little tired. Dude strikes like a wild man.

But yeah Luque is going to roll here. Twood is showing up to get one last big meal ticket and say thank you Dana for the opportunity. Luque's bigger, probably stronger at this point, at least over 3 rounds. All that and his standup is better, I just can't see it for Woodley here
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I wouldnt call reversing someone when they have you pushed up against the cage or landing 1 nice shot at the end of a fight you were being completely dominated in as "having your moments" To me having your moments means you came close to winning a couple of times.

Anyways I don't think I'm gonna bet this fight I've back and forth in my head all week about it, I was gonna bet Luque by decision but I duno Luque seems to just wanna stand and bang which could lead to him getting caught and Woodley has shown big power before. Against Colby and Burns they were mixing in a lot of clinch work and takedowns against Woodley and Usman just mauled him on the fence for 25 mins. Luque is a different kind of matchup for Woodley and maybe a more favorable one then his previous 3 opponents.
 
Sono07 said:
Good interview for anyone considering betting the comain event.


Woodley says he is showing up to put on a performance, and is grateful to the UFC for the opportunity. Take from that what you will.
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"Put on a performance"=back up to the cage, throw almost no strikes, and get teed off on
 
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