History repeats: Ngannou is also beating mostly high mileage fighters

sdpdude9 said:
Still not getting it? I’m mocking your dime a dozen “this fighter’s resume is weak” thread. I’m not engaging in a debate. This kinda shit gets tossed around daily about every fighter so sorry I don’t take your unoriginal thread seriously.
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There's a big difference between just saying "this fighter’s resume is weak" and actually posting numbers and data.

If numbers trigger you, then you are the problem, not the numbers.
 
That’s what I’ve said about him and the HW division in general. It’s pretty weak overall.
 
Claude said:
There's a big difference between just saying "this fighter’s resume is weak" and actually posting numbers and data.

If numbers trigger you, then you are the problem, not the numbers.
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Never challenged anything you said. Just mocked this type of thread that pops up about every fighter. I know it’s hard to understand but please keep replying, I’m enjoying how much I’m rustling your jimmies.
 
sdpdude9 said:
Never challenged anything you said. Just mocked this type of thread that pops up about every fighter. I know it’s hard to understand but please keep replying, I’m enjoying how much I’m rustling your jimmies.
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So yeah, you used a straw man falllacy and you're triggered at the numbers.

Keep replying as well. You're only bumping my thread, lol.
 
Claude said:
That would be a good argument if I was blaming Ngannou, but I'm not. I didn't blame Stipe either.

This thread speaks more about the HW division and the UFC than Ngannou.
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It's a pointless thread. Heavyweight as a whole in every prominent organization is old if it comes to a top ten or top five perspective, especially when in comparison to other divisions where speed and youth matter more. From the UFC to Belloltor to the PFL, they're riddled and littered with older fighters at the top.

The top guys who are older, beat other top guys who are older. The older guys beat the younger guys who are then prevented from getting to the top. Maybe someone like Aspinal, Daukaus or Spivak can go on a run and claim a title but they're more likely to lose to those older guys before they get there which would result in more older guys holding top spots and fighting older guys.

The youngest guys in the top 20 overall including all organizations are Blades and Gane at 30, Moldavsky and Sakai at 29.

Your point is as obvious as this thread is meaningless. It really doesn't speak to anything.

Resumes are built off of beating top guys. The top guys are older most consistently at Heavyweight. Francis and Stipe beat the best there was consistently. The guys they beat were older.

Okay...

Cool...
 
Claude said:
So yeah, you used a straw man falllacy and you're triggered at the numbers.

Keep replying as well. You're only bumping my thread, lol.
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Boy, this is really difficult for you to grasp isn’t it? I’m not debating you so there is no fallacy. I’m mocking you. I don’t care about the numbers. I’m mocking you. I’m poking fun at you and the other thousand threads identical to this one about every fighter.
 
prime Fedor got knocked out by Dan Henderson who was 40.......talk about high milage......also he was a middleweight

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Substance Abuse said:
It's a pointless thread. Heavyweight as a whole in every prominent organization is old if it comes to a top ten or top five perspective, especially when in comparison to other divisions where speed and youth matter more. From the UFC to Belloltor to the PFL, they're riddled and littered with older fighters at the top.

The top guys who are older, beat other top guys who are older. The older guys beat the younger guys who are then prevented from getting to the top. Maybe someone like Aspinal, Daukaus or Spivak can go on a run and claim a title but they're more likely to lose to those older guys before they get there which would result in more older guys holding top spots and fighting older guys.

The youngest guys in the top 20 overall including all organizations are Blades and Gane at 30, Moldavsky and Sakai at 29.

Your point is as obvious as this thread is meaningless. It really doesn't speak to anything.

Resumes are built off of beating top guys. The top guys are older most consistently at Heavyweight. Francis and Stipe beat the best there was consistently. The guys they beat were older.

Okay...

Cool...
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Mowry is 8-0 and only 28 years old. You forgot about him, he's very promising

I don't understand why people keep mentioning Daukaus as a legit prospect. He lost to one of the worst Bellator's HWs in Teed in his debut and lost to Anyanwu in 2019 who Fortune destroyed. He's just lucky he fought some cans and old Oleynik. He's not that good
 
tehMoose said:
Mowry is 8-0 and only 28 years old. You forgot about him, he's very promising

I don't understand why people keep mentioning Daukaus as a legit prospect. He lost to one of the worst Bellator's HWs in Teed in his debut and lost to Anyanwu in 2019 who Fortune destroyed. He's just lucky he fought some cans and old Oleynik. He's not that good
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I'm not trying to disregard anyone. I did forget about Mowry, you're right. My point still stands though about the division. I was using Daukaus as an example, not really claiming he's going to find great success. And even then he's not young.
 
Sherdoggers are experts at finding reasons to shit on a fighter. It's amazing.
 
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Claude said:
It's HW at the moment.

In the early 2000's there was plenty of young, fresh talent.
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Yeah steroids and PEDs with next to zero drug testing or in the case of guys like Fedor, nog, crocop, Barnett, sergei, etc.... they were free to use all the PEDs and steroids they wanted, which surely helps guys be better, right? Fight more often, right?

Stipe and Francis are probably better than you think and I'd say it's unquestionable Fedor isn't as good as you think. You become full on ridiculous when he is the topic and you don't even try a little bit to hide your bias.

That said, Fedor is the greatest HW of all time
 
Bro go watch some other sport. No one wants to keep hearing your whiney shit trying to prove no one is any good
 
Substance Abuse said:
It's a pointless thread. Heavyweight as a whole in every prominent organization is old if it comes to a top ten or top five perspective, especially when in comparison to other divisions where speed and youth matter more. From the UFC to Belloltor to the PFL, they're riddled and littered with older fighters at the top.

The top guys who are older, beat other top guys who are older. The older guys beat the younger guys who are then prevented from getting to the top. Maybe someone like Aspinal, Daukaus or Spivak can go on a run and claim a title but they're more likely to lose to those older guys before they get there which would result in more older guys holding top spots and fighting older guys.

The youngest guys in the top 20 overall including all organizations are Blades and Gane at 30, Moldavsky and Sakai at 29.

Your point is as obvious as this thread is meaningless. It really doesn't speak to anything.

Resumes are built off of beating top guys. The top guys are older most consistently at Heavyweight. Francis and Stipe beat the best there was consistently. The guys they beat were older.

Okay...

Cool...
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It's pointless for you, not for me, not for others.

I find numbers and data interesting. I find the disparity of fighters mileage and it's relation to their success interesting. I think putting Ngannou's wins into context is interesting. I also think it's interesting that Stipe had the same issue with his competition.

Nobody is blaiming Ngannou or Stipe. Nobody is saying they should fight fighters from other orgs. This thread is just data. You're free not to find it useful.

Cheers.
 
Claude said:
Just like Stipe, Ngannou is taking advantage of a wore down, high mileage division. Only exceptions being Curtis Blaydes and Jairzinho Rozenstruik.

Number of fights and years active at the time they fought:

Arlovski: 18 years active, 39 fights
Ngannou: 4 years active, 10 fights

Overeem: 18 years active, 59 fights
Ngannou: 4 years active, 11 fights,

Cain: 13 years active, 16 fights,
Ngannou: 6 years active, 15 fights

JDS: 13 years active, 26 fights
Ngannou: 6 years active, 16 fights

Stipe: 11 years active, 23 fights
Ngannou: 7 years active, 18 fights


Overall:

-71% of Ngannou's top ranked opponents had been fighting for 11 years or more.
-57% of his top opponents had been fighting for 13 years or more.
-The average mileage of his top ranked opponents is: 12 years active and 26 fights.

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Bottom line:

Looks like the best way to succeed at HW is to be young and fresh (fightwise) and fight mostly high mileage fighters, as Stipe and Francis have shown.

Ngannou fought even more diminished versions of Arlovski, Overeem and JDS than Sipe did. Also Francis will fight yet another high mileage fighter next, whether it's Jones or Lewis. The HW division has failed to produce fresh talent for many years.

In fights, timing is key.

"It's not WHO you beat that matters, it's WHEN you beat them".
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Sweet, we have the pretext outlining that he was never that good and just a sloppy striker with power for when Ngannou loses again. And now... we wait...
 
Fedor "fought" Japanese pro wrestlers and out of shape freak shows with no mma experience in squash matches set up by the Yakuza.

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Barteh said:
Blaydes didn't have that much mileage and Gane will be fresh too if he gets the shot next year. Not too sure about Volkov but he seems relatively fresh.
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Yeah Blaydes was low mileage and basically few make it to the top without putting in years of work at hw. Gane might but it's rare. Rozenstruik is another anomaly but it looks like maybe he wasn't ready for the big time.
 
Claude said:
It's pointless for you, not for me, not for others.

I find numbers and data interesting. I find the disparity of fighters mileage and it's relation to their success interesting. I think putting Ngannou's wins into context is interesting. I also think it's interesting that Stipe had the same issue with his competition.

Nobody is blaiming Ngannou or Stipe. Nobody is saying they should fight fighters from other orgs. This thread is just data. You're free not to find it useful.

Cheers.
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Fair enough.
 
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