Kickboxing or Muay Thai should in theory be more popular than MMA and Boxing? Why is it not?

Nova44 said:
Ok fine, but if you're gonna rant about boxing just go to that sub forum.
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Why rant?
Manager does have KBer and he ofc should look good and watchable, preferably cool guy but will he have 4-1 or 5-0 record will not impact so much his career if he had lost nice fight where he looked good just on cards.
To have boxer with 4-0 or even 3-0 sadly is not rare cases better than boxer with 5-1-0 pro record and this is real life why boxing is with careful mathcmaking.
While for MMA or KB managers ofc are concerned that guy will not get damaged they are less stressed about lad's pro fight record 0 than in pro boxing.
 
SandisLL said:
Why rant?
Manager does have KBer and he ofc should look good and watchable, preferably cool guy but will he have 4-1 or 5-0 record will not impact so much his career if he had lost nice fight where he looked good just on cards.
To have boxer with 4-0 or even 3-0 sadly is not rare cases better than boxer with 5-1-0 pro record and this is real life why boxing is with careful mathcmaking.
While for MMA or KB managers ofc are concerned that guy will not get damaged they are less stressed about lad's pro fight record 0 than in pro boxing.
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No no no, all i'm saying is posts like...

SandisLL said:
freak shows, worship for 0 in record, cherry picking and hometown officiating had been made pro boxing very predictable and boring show.
Casaul flowchart: pad record with mismatched opponents, preferably short notice opponents, then lurk for enough easily beatable opponents with good places in rankings.
Later at high level cherry picking continues with a glance.
Pro boxing is dying and boring but usable to serve fans who does not dig in depth there.
Damn boring business with some upsets. Sometimes opponent appears not enough old or not enough ring rusty etc.

All this works for A side kid only and this is far from KB/MT like different world.
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...belong in the boxing sub. The quote above this text has nothing to do with this thread, that is all.
 
Kanka said:
The format of the fights in Thai stadiums is not really marketed towards a global audience, but rather to gamblers. To a western audience, there is too much of a cultural barrier and many aspects of the Muay Thai game are difficult to understand unless you immerse yourself. Maybe ONE will make it more popular but they have some financial problems.
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I remember when I first started traveling to Thailand and I thought that I would be able to follow the sport and know all of the stadium champions. I didn't learn shit, the sport is way too different and hard to understand not to mention the language barrier.
 
SandisLL said:
Well, I did had saw fight with fight card like this : guy with 4-0-0 vs 0-10-0 ( 5 lost fights via stoppage ) in pro boxing but never in KB even small hall level show or mma.

This obsession with numbers in record and 0 had developed match making in pro boxing till very boring level. Until some kids had beated up fighter who does have 4 fights lost in row before a title fight and this brand had been touted.
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What in the Google Translate is being said here?
 
They need a star to bring in casual fans - someone who made a name in another medium. If someone like Logan Paul jumped into kickboxing then the sport would gradually grow bigger (assuming the promoters can properly take advantage of that). Obviously the Paul brothers are a bit too big, but someone with a social media following would be very useful for growing the sport (Ryan Garcia is kind of doing this in boxing).

Or if for some reason a big name MMA guy jumped into a major KB org. Similar to what Overeem did in the K1 grandprix, though he wasn't that big of a name then.
 
I think everyone needs to stop fantasizing about KB/MT being BIG. Muay Thai is really only flourishing in Thailand, and Kickboxing really only in Japan and a few European countries.

If you want to wish for anything, wish for the sports to become sustainable, period. Glory is on the brink of death, I wouldn't worry about them blowing up. ONE is really the only consistent promotion and we all know they are losing millions.

Most divisions are incredibly shallow, especially at the higher weights. Lets just hope for the sport to be consistent and improve, I'm not worried about it being BIG just being alive period.
 
Muay thai is a domestic sport, it never intended or wanted global success.

Kickboxing missed the boat.

It really is that simple.
 
Nova44 said:
Boxing is more accessible, easy to understand, involves a shit load of money, and everyone is on a level playing field only throwing punches.

Muay thai like kanka said is made for the gamblers and is huge in thailand, it will never be huge outside of thailand apart from to hardcore fans.

Kickboxing is not popular because fighters are too split up between orgs, orgs die left and right when you get used to them, a lot of guys just point fight and it can be a bit boring, and there's not a lot of money involved.

Mma while having so many things to learn about, has the benefit of having 90% of the top fighters in one org. Yes Bellator is around too but there's a reason most people who start training mixed martial arts will say "i train ufc" as most people know the sport as just the ufc.

Boxing will always be the most popular, followed by mma, kickboxing just isn't unified enough to gain a mass following unfortunately, and thai's don't need muay thai to gain global recognition.
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ahem...it's "I train UFC, bro!" (or brah, bruh, whatever). You can't leave that word out. It makes all the difference in the world.

Do you even train UFC bro?
 
This is the million dollar question that remains unsolvable. We all know that MT and KB should be so much bigger in the USA especially given that all fans like striking, but it has never gotten over with a mainstream audience. There are several "small" problems I see but it still doesn't solve the "big" problem of mainstream popularity.
 
Kanka said:
You consider the divisions in Muay Thai 110-142 lbs to be shallow?
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I said Most divisions not All divisions

No I don't consider those divisions shallow in Muay Thai. It's deep in the Thai circuit, which doesn't offer much to this question of mass appeal.
 
Snubnoze707 said:
I said Most divisions not All divisions

No I don't consider those divisions shallow in Muay Thai.
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The divisions 140 and below literally make up half of the divisions if not more. I get your point and I would agree if you said many, not most.
 
Kanka said:
The divisions 140 and below literally make up half of the divisions if not more. I get your point and I would agree if you said many, not most.
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Fair enough, I was more-so talking about Kickboxing anyways.
 
Because westerners just can’t beat Thais no matter how many fights we have they just have more and it’s super fucking depressing
 
Whole thread full of lies! :cool:
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Snubnoze707 said:
Glory hasn't even held an event since Jan, this seems bogus wtf?
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Bogus or not it means nothing, it's says at the bottom it's based on 30 second views so it's pretty much garbage info.
 
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