International [U.S COVID Vaccine News] CDC to Lift COVID-19 Testing Requirement for international Travelers

[K1levelgrappler]

Watching Republicans celebrate Trump for the success of Operation Warp Speed in creating the vaccine and simultaneously refuse to take it because it's a government conspiracy is my new favorite irony.

I can’t believe chuds won’t take a beautiful vaccine artisanally handcrafted in a golden laboratory by Donny Trump himself. Sad!

 

[Arkain2K]

So what? Now they will have natural immunity. High transmission gets you to herd immunity too. Just doesn't get big pharma rich.

Herd immunity through needlessly hospitalization and deaths? Were you stuck in a time bubble and completely oblivious to what happened on this planet over the last 12 months?!

Update: Nevermind, you're the same dumb-ass who tried to perpetuate the cytotoxic bullshit and quietly disappeared after being curb-stomped. GTFO of this News thread, and take your idiocy with you.

 

[The XL]

This argument has no merit. If you base your level of confidence in THIS vaccine over a legal immunity for an entire product line in an industry, that means you are choosing to ignore the data on THIS particular vaccine.

There is a pandemic and we found the silver bullet. I can understand being skeptical early on but we have several several several millions of people vaccinated already and it's proven to save lives and to be safe. Yet THIS is why you're not getting it? Cause you can't sue them and make a buck if you get sick?

The argument has plenty of merit. Neither me or anyone in my family is at any risk of Covid. If I were to get this vaccine, I'd be doing it for the unhealthy obese fucks that populate this country. If something goes wrong, be it from a reaction or because the vaccines are not as safe as advertised, I'm owed a massive payout. Otherwise, these manufacturers can go get fucked, I don't need their vaccine.

 

[heloder]

So what? Now they will have natural immunity. High transmission gets you to herd immunity too. Just doesn't get big pharma rich.

Holy shit there are actually still people going on about this unvaccinated herd immunity shit? You see, not doing anything while letting a disease run rampant so it can sicken and kill everyone it's able to isn't a plan. It's the lack of a plan. It's what you do when you're too lazy or stupid to come up with a plan. Your idea for beating the pandemic is to literally let everyone get sick. That's not you beating the pandemic; that's the pandemic beating you. If Covid-19 could post on Sherdog, it would post what you just posted.

I can actually think of another disease that panned out that way, though; it's called the 1918 Flu. Good old natural herd immunity, and all it took was 50-100 million deaths to get there. Except it didn't actually stop the pandemic, because it just mutated into the seasonal flu which killed millions and sickened hundreds of millions over the next hundred years (and continues to do so).

You anti-vaxxers belong in the Dark Ages.

 

[chardog]

The argument has plenty of merit. Neither me or anyone in my family is at any risk of Covid. If I were to get this vaccine, I'd be doing it for the unhealthy obese fucks that populate this country. If something goes wrong, be it from a reaction or because the vaccines are not as safe as advertised, I'm owed a massive payout. Otherwise, these manufacturers can go get fucked, I don't need their vaccine.

exactly why not all need the vax

 

[djacobox372]

Of course the virus discriminates, it almost exclusively kills/maims old folks and those with multiple co-morbidities.

Not discrimination... meritocracy of the immune system.

 

[Arkain2K]

The European Medicines Agency clears Moderna vaccine for teens
By MARIA CHENG and LAURAN NEERGAARD | July 23, 2021​

LONDON (AP) — The European Medicines Agency on Friday recommended authorizing Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine for children ages 12 to 17, the first time the shot has been authorized for people under 18.

The EU drug regulator said research in more than 3,700 children aged 12 to 17 showed that the Moderna vaccine — already given the OK for adults across Europe — produced a comparable antibody response.

Until now, the vaccine made by Pfizer and German partner BioNTech has been the only option for children as young as 12 in North America and Europe.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is currently considering whether to extend the use of the Moderna vaccine to the same age group.

With global vaccine supplies still tight, much of the world is struggling to immunize adults. The World Health Organization and other agencies have urged rich countries to donate their doses to the developing world — where fewer than 2% of people have been vaccinated — rather than moving on to inoculate their less vulnerable populations.

Hundreds of millions of Moderna doses already have been administered to adults, and the company says the two-dose vaccine is just as protective for adolescents. In a study of more than 3,700 12- to 17-year-olds, the vaccine triggered the same signs of immune protection, and no COVID-19 diagnoses arose in the vaccinated group compared with four cases among those given dummy shots.

Sore arms, headache and fatigue were the most common side effects in the young vaccine recipients, the same ones as for adults.

U.S. and European regulators caution, however, that both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines appear linked to an extremely rare reaction in teens and young adults — chest pain and heart inflammation.

In the United States, children represent about 14% of the nation’s total coronavirus cases to date. And while the young are far less likely than the old to get seriously ill, at least 344 children have died of COVID-19 in the U.S. alone, according to a tally by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

So far in the U.S., just under half the population is fully vaccinated — with the highest rates, not surprisingly, among older adults. Just a quarter of 12- to 15-year-olds, who got access to Pfizer’s vaccine starting in May, have had their second dose, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Among those 16 and 17, about 37% are fully vaccinated.

Both Pfizer and Moderna have begun testing in even younger children, from age 11 down to 6 months old. These studies are more complex: Teens receive the same dose as adults, but researchers are testing smaller doses in younger children. The first results from children of elementary school age are expected in September.

The EU drug regulator said it would continue to monitor the safety and efficacy of the Moderna vaccine in children as it is used in European member countries.

https://apnews.com/article/europe-h...irus-vaccine-82900e8c1fe0284a38c4741304c2a0c1

 

[Damien Karras]

The argument has plenty of merit. Neither me or anyone in my family is at any risk of Covid. If I were to get this vaccine, I'd be doing it for the unhealthy obese fucks that populate this country. If something goes wrong, be it from a reaction or because the vaccines are not as safe as advertised, I'm owed a massive payout. Otherwise, these manufacturers can go get fucked, I don't need their vaccine.

You now know the risk of complications from vaccines is significantly lower, by a lot, than dealing with covid if you get it and even if you present no comorbidities. We know this after millions and millions of doses administered over several months now. I'm sorry you don't have your chance at a payout, but the virus won't pay you out either

 

[Arkain2K]

Now people without vaccines are "s in one's armor"

Why are people vaccinated so concerned with people that did not take the vaccine or even care if they get sick?

Seriously? This elementary lesson again? Even though thousands of infectious disease experts from virtually every medical center in your country had already explained that over and over again for MONTHS now?

Is your reading-comprehension still hasn't improve any since you ran in here with the "breaking news" that mRNA vaccines have been rendered "obsolete and useless" by the very minor Epsilon variant found in California over a year ago (and been almost completely wiped out in our country since then), all while Delta is quickly taking over?

We all started out at the same time, but I honestly don't know why you're still insists on being a full year behind everyone else on these extremely basic knowledge, when all these things that you STILL finds deeply confusing had already been answered a thousand times, by actual doctors specializing in that very medical field.

Have you even spoke to your own family's doctor about any of this yet? Perhaps he/she can help you catch up on these basic stuff, and our Breaking News thread would be a bit less cluttered by these repeatedly-answered questions from Summer 2020.

Reading-Comprehension skill is an absolute requirement in this discussion for educated adults. If you are behind on the curve, please read up on the basic facts provided in the OP to catch up to everyone else on the subject matter, instead of jumping in face-first to embarrass yourself.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/162747164/

 

[Madmick]

I will remind the forum that this is not a thread to spam shitposting. We have two other megathreads about the vaccines and lockdown for that.

Bring discussion of evidence, including citation of it, or do not post in this thread. Do not clutter the thread with personal spats or partisanship. I will be cleaning out posts and posters who fail to abide.
Thank you.

 

[The XL]

You now know the risk of complications from vaccines is significantly lower, by a lot, than dealing with covid if you get it and even if you present no comorbidities. We know this after millions and millions of doses administered over several months now. I'm sorry you don't have your chance at a payout, but the virus won't pay you out either

That's all based off of data overseen by government and big pharma. Sorry, they have a conflict of interest and whatever they say is highly likely to be misleading or an outright lie.

Not looking for a payout. Because I'm not going to take this experimental shot. So there is that.

 

[DespicablePeep]

That's all based off of data overseen by government and big pharma. Sorry, they have a conflict of interest and whatever they say is highly likely to be misleading or an outright lie.

Not looking for a payout. Because I'm not going to take this experimental shot. So there is that.

I have taken, but the way some people are blindly shilling for the industry with very little data to backup any claims is strange, they have become irrational and aggressive towards any questioning

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...revents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/


A full course of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was just 39% effective at preventing infections and 41% effective at preventing symptomatic infections caused by the Delta Covid-19 variant, according to Israel’s health ministry, down from early estimates of 64% two weeks ago.


Cases in Israel are rising lets see people blaming the unvaccinated

 

[Madmick]

I have taken, but the way some people are blindly shilling for the industry with very little data to backup any claims is strange, they have become irrational and aggressive towards any questioning

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...revents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/

A full course of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was just 39% effective at preventing infections and 41% effective at preventing symptomatic infections caused by the Delta Covid-19 variant, according to Israel’s health ministry, down from early estimates of 64% two weeks ago.

Cases in Israel are rising lets see people blaming the unvaccinated

Yes, I see you're attached the outlier study. Meanwhile, in every country in the world, the cases of hospitalized or dying patients from the delta variant are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. Even in countries like the UK or Malta, examples recently favored for citation by anti-vaxxers, who like to ignore the some 90 other countries for which there is reliable data as they clutch for anything to reinforce their narrative, reveal a wide disproportion of sick individuals among the unvaccinated when you look at this group's population versus the population that has been vaccinated.

Of course, one of the reasons that European countries that have vaccinated well aren't resisting the Delta variant is because they were forced to rely on the inferior AstraZeneca vaccine which is obviously yet even more inferior against the Delta variant versus Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J than it was against the earliest strains.

For example, in the UK, 60% of those admitted to the hospital with COVID are unvaccinated (meaning 40% of those are vaccinated).
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...pitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/

You'd think that's a fairly even split...until you realize that 68% of their population has been partially vaccinated, and another 8% (with limited crossover) are COVID survivors who enjoy natural immunity. Ergo, even in their cherry-picked example, anti-vaxxers seize on a country where the unvaccinated are over twice as likely to be hospitalized with the disease.

In fact, in the most recent week, it was nearly 4x the rate of unvaccinated:
https://covid.joinzoe.com/us-2

Meanwhile, in the USA, in the last three consecutive months, both the dead and the hospitalized have been unvaccinated at 98%+ or 99%+ rates. The discrepancy is staggering. It's so wide that it has even been observed at the state level. All of the states reporting the top rates of new cases are those states with the highest population of unvaccinated individuals. These are the states that are prolonging this nightmare. Yet those who refuse to get the vaccination, ironically, are the same ones who cry the loudest that lockdown measures are unendurable.

From the moment we reached a disposable supply of vaccines, this group bears primary responsibility for the damage to American lives, health, businesses, and government coffers. They are the ones to blame. China is no longer the heel of this pandemic.

 

[Arkain2K]

Mississippi Runs Out Of ICU Beds As COVID Delta Variant Sweeps Through State
BY BRENDAN COLE ON 7/21/21​

​

A spike in the COVID-19 Delta variant has caused a shortage of Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds in Mississippi where health officials warn of a rise in deaths in the coming weeks.

Mississippi Department of Health officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said that medical resources were under strain as the highly contagious variant of the disease gallops through the state.

He said that there were now 13 hospitals in the state which had no ICU beds available, while there was only around a tenth of ICU beds were available in other hospitals.

"We're going to have a rough few weeks," Dobbs told a media briefing on Tuesday, "Delta is hitting us very strongly. We anticipate that we are going to continue to put additional pressure on the healthcare system," the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal reported.

In the month between June 13 and July 11, around nine out of 10 hospitalizations and deaths in Mississippi had been among unvaccinated people, the publication reported, while state officials remain worried at the spike in transmissions.

"We just don't need to go through this again," said Dr. Dan Edney, regional health officer for the Central Public Health Region, as reported in the Journal. "We have an answer so that we don't have to go through those killing times again, and that's vaccination."

Mississippi Today noted that only a third (34 percent) of people have been fully vaccinated, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, meaning the state has the lowest proportion of people to have had two jabs.

www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-covid-mississippi-vaccine-icu-beds-vaccine-1611812?amp=1

 

[Letssnuggle]

Yes, I see you're attached the outlier study. Meanwhile, in every country in the world, the cases of hospitalized or dying patients from the delta variant are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. Even in countries like the UK or Malta, examples recently favored for citation by anti-vaxxers, who like to ignore the some 90 other countries for which there is reliable data, as they clutch for anything to reinforce their narrative, themselves reveal a wide disproportion of sick individuals among the unvaccinated when you look at this group's population versus the population that has been vaccinated.

Of course, one of the reasons that European countries that have vaccinated well aren't resisting the Delta variant is because they were forced to rely on the inferior AstraZeneca vaccine which is obviously yet more inferior against the Delta variant than Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J than it was against the earliest strains.

For example, in the UK, 60% of those admitted to the hospital with COVID are unvaccinated (meaning 40% of those are vaccinated).
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...pitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/

You'd think that's a fairly even split...until you realize that 68% of their population has been partially vaccinated, and another 8% (with limited crossover) are COVID survivors who enjoy natural immunity. Ergo, even in their cherry-picked example, anti-vaxxers seize on a country where the unvaccinated are over twice as likely to be hospitalized with the disease.

In fact, in the most recent week, it was nearly 4x the rate of unvaccinated:
https://covid.joinzoe.com/us-2

Meanwhile, in the USA, in the last three consecutive months, both the dead and the hospitalized have been unvaccinated at 98%+ or 99%+ rates. The discrepancy is staggering. It's so wide that it has even been observed at the state level. All of the states reporting the top rates of new cases are those states with the highest population of unvaccinated individual. These are the states that are prolonging this nightmare. Yet those who refuse to get the vaccination, ironically, are the same ones who cry the loudest that lockdown measures are unendurable.

From the moment we reached a disposable supply of vaccines, this group bears primary responsibility for the damage to American lives, health, businesses, and government coffers. They are the ones to blame. China is no longer the heel of this pandemic.

I see nothing in your post that addresses transmission.

If transmission isn't stopped, what stops mutations and variants?

 

[DespicablePeep]

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From the moment we reached a disposable supply of vaccines, this group bears primary responsibility for the damage to American lives, health, businesses, and government coffers. They are the ones to blame. China is no longer the heel of this pandemic.

Wasn't herd immunity from vaccines between 60 ~ 70, US is close to that, CDC and Fauci state that 99% of the cases are from unvaccinated yet no data was shown, not even the time frame of this data was shared.

Israel numbers of vaccinated cases with symptoms are higher and we cannot blame Astrazeneca for that. (40% according to Israel health ministry)

People should stop blaming others, take the vaccine if you believe, I did, if the vaccine is effective we should reach herd soon.

 

[Letssnuggle]

Mississippi Runs Out Of ICU Beds As COVID Delta Variant Sweeps Through State
BY BRENDAN COLE ON 7/21/21​

​

A spike in the COVID-19 Delta variant has caused a shortage of Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds in Mississippi where health officials warn of a rise in deaths in the coming weeks.

Mississippi Department of Health officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said that medical resources were under strain as the highly contagious variant of the disease gallops through the state.

He said that there were now 13 hospitals in the state which had no ICU beds available, while there was only around a tenth of ICU beds were available in other hospitals.

"We're going to have a rough few weeks," Dobbs told a media briefing on Tuesday, "Delta is hitting us very strongly. We anticipate that we are going to continue to put additional pressure on the healthcare system," the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal reported.

In the month between June 13 and July 11, around nine out of 10 hospitalizations and deaths in Mississippi had been among unvaccinated people, the publication reported, while state officials remain worried at the spike in transmissions.

"We just don't need to go through this again," said Dr. Dan Edney, regional health officer for the Central Public Health Region, as reported in the Journal. "We have an answer so that we don't have to go through those killing times again, and that's vaccination."

Mississippi Today noted that only a third (34 percent) of people have been fully vaccinated, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, meaning the state has the lowest proportion of people to have had two jabs.

www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-covid-mississippi-vaccine-icu-beds-vaccine-1611812?amp=1

Do you think there might be a slight chance you're actually contributing to this problem?

When you're posting links that clearly show breakthrough, that I'd consider pretty high rates, it's obvious who's spreading this.

It's people who believe they're in god mode since they've received the vaccine. They aren't wearing masks. They aren't social distancing. And on top of that, you're blaming those of us who are!

God mode doesn't exist yet. Accept it and stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Madmick]

Fauci state that 99% of the cases are from unvaccinated yet no data was shown, not even the time frame of this data was shared.

It never ceases to amaze me how bold the lies are from your camp. They've been reporting breakthrough cases fastidiously since the vaccines arrived.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

Hospitalizations and deaths are widely reported, and can be found at all the usual websites (such as the John Hopkins website or the WorldinData website which compile these from multiple sources). From this, it's easy to extrapolate and reinforce their figures.
https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...tion=false&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~USA

If your argument is to plug your ears with your fingers, and just deny everything that is presented to you, why are you surprised people mock you, and don't take you seriously?

 

[Joe]

@Arkain2K
Interesting chart. Is the surge over in the uk? Does that mean the US has another month of this?

 

[DespicablePeep]

It never ceases to amaze me how bold the lies are from your camp. They've been reporting breakthrough cases fastidiously since the vaccines arrived.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

Hospitalizations and deaths are widely reported, and can be found at all the usual websites (such as the John Hopkins website or the WorldinData website which compile these from multiple sources). From this, it's easy to extrapolate and reinforce their figures.
https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...tion=false&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~USA

If your argument is to plug your ears with your fingers, and just deny everything that is presented to you, why are you surprised people mock you, and don't take you seriously?

my camp? Not a single word about Israel, how can CDC data diverge so much from Israel? Why is herd immunity not kicking in? (Most of the population 40+ has been vaccinated)

You get personal and lose your temper for nothing, the data differences from Israel and US have not been explained.

Will read the cdc links when I get to the PC on monday. Your blind faith is adorable.