Evidence of Jones' Guilt

[kflo]

I think you'd have to do massive amounts of Tbol to actually test positive 'for years'. A serious amount of cheating, not just taking a bottle of tainted sups like everyone wants to claim. Look at Jones during his 'bodybuilding' phase if you wonder when he started hitting the Tbol with wild abandon.

Jones “bodybuilding” phase started in mid 2015 when usada started with the ufc. He didn’t test for m3 metabolites until 2017. But yeah, he was using tbol with abandon in 2015……again, it’s cool to just make up whatever story you want….

 

[Captain Herb]

You don’t want to believe. He was tested 42 times across multiple testing bodies in 2019 and he was tested 25 times by usada alone in 2020. You don’t seem to want to know the facts so that you can just say things that are false.

And what were the dates and results of the tests? Oh, that's right, you don't know anything and USADA isn't about to tell. But go ahead and link that info for us. The 42 times.

 

[kflo]

And what were the dates and results of the tests? Oh, that's right, you don't know anything and USADA isn't about to tell. But go ahead and link that info for us. The 42 times.

Lol. You said he wasn’t tested that much. Now your asking for the results from each test?

again you will just keep shamelessly throwing inaccuracies out there…..

 

[Captain Herb]

Jones “bodybuilding” phase started in mid 2015 when usada started with the ufc. He didn’t test for m3 metabolites until 2017. But yeah, he was using tbol with abandon in 2015……again, it’s cool to just make up whatever story you want….

Bodybuilding spree: November 2015
Failed: July 28 2017

The guy's clearly been on heavy steroids for a while. Whether he was introduced to Turinabol by his weightlifting buddies, his brothers, or someone at Jackson-Wink, we don't know.

By the way, do you think that USADA tests for every compound every time? Can you show me a documented case where someone who ingested trace amounts of Tbol then went on to pulse for years? Don't try to be dense. Jon Jones was a heavy steroid user and that's why it won't leave his system.

 

[Captain Herb]

Lol. You said he wasn’t tested that much. Now your asking for the results from each test?

again you will just keep shamelessly throwing inaccuracies out there…..

42 times you said. When were they and what were the results?

 

[kflo]

Bodybuilding spree: November 2015
Failed: July 28 2017

The guy's clearly been on heavy steroids for a while. Whether he was introduced to Turinabol by his weightlifting buddies, his brothers, or someone at Jackson-Wink, we don't know.

By the way, do you think that USADA tests for every compound every time? Can you show me a documented case where someone who ingested trace amounts of Tbol then went on to pulse for years? Don't try to be dense. Jon Jones was a heavy steroid user and that's why it won't leave his system.

Wow. Pictures……

Again, you don’t know anything about testing. It’s like you want to flaunt your ignorance.

Here’s some more pictures.

ufc 87 - first ufc fight (2008)

Ufc 197 - after “bodybuilding”

ufc 214 - NC fight (2017):

ufc 235

ufc 239

You can pretend he looks so different………or of course you can just say he’s been on steroids the entire time…….which you probably will…….

 

[kflo]

42 times you said. When were they and what were the results?

You said he was only tested for a short period of time. You made that up. Accept it.

 

[Captain Herb]

Wow. Pictures……

Again, you don’t know anything about testing. It’s like you want to flaunt your ignorance.

Here’s some more pictures.

ufc 87 - first ufc fight (2008)

Ufc 197 - after “bodybuilding”
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ufc 214 - NC fight (2017):

ufc 235

ufc 239

You can pretend he looks so different………or of course you can just say he’s been on steroids the entire time…….which you probably will…….

Except he narrated his bodybuilding phase saying he was stronger than ever, ready for HW etc. He boasted huge gains in a very short period of time which is always suspicious. Thanks for the weigh-in pics, that's swell. And yes, he was on steroids and other banned substances multiple times!

So, do you believe USADA tests for every compound every time? A simple yes or no will do. Since you are the only authority on USADA here and everyone else is lying and doesn't know shit anyway, it should be an easy question to answer.

 

[Captain Herb]

You said he was only tested for a short period of time. You made that up. Accept it.

So you are spitting out a number but can't provide the evidence or even a link to someone else saying that?

 

[kflo]

So you are spitting out a number but can't provide the evidence or even a link to someone else saying that?

Hey google. How many times was jon Jones tested in 2019…..

it’s like a magic thing…..

 

[Captain Herb]

Hey google. How many times was jon Jones tested in 2019…..

it’s like a magic thing…..

Uh huh. There's no information on when the tests were administered, what they were testing for, and what the results were. In other words, useless information.

Once again, do you think USADA tests for every compound every time?

 

[fzoid4454]

The reason I ask is because as soon as they start showing up, you could claim "pulsing" from years ago. Seems to really cloud things up. However, if you have it in your system, you probably used at some point, so like @kflo said, fuck 'em.

But, whether actually via contaminated supplement or intentional cheating, that's why he got suspended. Because they showed up, which means he had it in his system, at some point.

However, you can't say "fuck 'em" if it shows up and "pulses" again, and it's not from a new or more recent use. He's already been punished for using it under that umbrella. We don't punish people continuously for the same offense.

That's why it matters if he's been in testing on a regular, and random basis, and there hasn't been any detection of the other metabolites when they would have shown up. He very well could have cheated again, but the "pulsing" isn't evidence of it, absent anything showing up in other tests. Fighters are supposed to get punished based on evidence, not whether people dislike them or not.

 

[fzoid4454]

Steroids can have a monumental impact on confidence and aggression, both of which can make a fighter more decisive with what they want to do. Furthermore, steroids also enable fighters to train more often which leads to quicker improvements in technical ability.

It doesn't teach them technical abilities. It doesn't make the brain more capable of learning and understanding. The Couture comments had NOTHING to do with possible cheating. That's beyond a huge stretch of "evidence" of cheating via PEDs.

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

jones clearly not guilty, lock this thread now

 

[kflo]

Uh huh. There's no information on when the tests were administered, what they were testing for, and what the results were. In other words, useless information.

Once again, do you think USADA tests for every compound every time?

Lol. Him tested 42 times in a calendar year is useless. You again just don’t want to know. That’s clear.

My understanding is that every base urine test will be identifying Tbol and the metabolites if present. There are blood tests and special isotope tests that can identify substances not identified through the basic urine test.

The arbitration had the m3 concentration for every test. It didn’t say not tested for any.

 

[Captain Herb]

Lol. Him tested 42 times in a calendar year is useless. You again just don’t want to know. That’s clear.

My understanding is that every base urine test will be identifying Tbol and the metabolites if present. There are blood tests and special isotope tests that can identify substances not identified through the basic urine test.

The arbitration had the m3 concentration for every test. It didn’t say not tested for any.

A big problem with not knowing that testing info, besides the obvious fact that we don't know when they were administered, is that we don't know what kind of tests they were. For instance, a blood and urine sample collected on the same date are counted as two separate tests. Therefore, it's conceivable he was tested on far fewer dates than the reported 42. It's my recollection that the voluntary VADA and NSAC tests were not carried out for the full year and only for a few months. I don't have that specific info, just the recollection of it from a thread like this one.

 

[Captain Herb]

@kflo

The latest samples come from Jones’ enrollment with VADA, which was ordered by the CSAC after a Dec. 9 drug test revealed trace amounts of the M3 metabolite. As MMAjunkie previously reported, Jones is subject to VADA testing for three to six months at a cost of $22,000 to the CSAC.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...al-steroid-metabolite-system-test/2662739002/

Apologies will be accepted at any time

 

[Captain Herb]

@kflo

Also here are the USADA test counts for the relevant months in 2017 and 2018

1st positive test for Tbol: July 28, 2017

2017 Q3 5 tests
2017 Q4 1 test
2018 Q1 0 tests
2018 Q2 0 tests
2018 Q3 5 tests

First positive "pulsing test": August, 2018

What this tells us is that besides his first positive Tbol test, he was tested another 5 times before his string of "pulsing" failures starting in Aug, 2018. We really need to know what the results of all the 2017 Q3 tests were, and it's criminal negligence that he wasn't tested for at least 6 months following that. WTF?

 

[fzoid4454]

Uh huh. There's no information on when the tests were administered, what they were testing for, and what the results were. In other words, useless information.

Once again, do you think USADA tests for every compound every time?

What makes you think they don't? It would be pretty stupid to not test for the same things as a matter of standard course. That would give every passed test doubt and skepticism and every actionable test a basis for appeal for everyone not being held to the same standard.

 

[listrahtes]

Guys if someone is even defending jones letrozole , chlomi there is nothing left to discuss. Or do you argue with a Taliban about Gods existence.