Are you being forced to take the vaccine at work?

[PhitePhan]

lol, i think too many people have the, "it won't happen to me" point of view, because they think they're the exception, until it happens to them. well it's too late then, isn't it.

You have it backwards, the exception is catching Covid (the VAST majority has not caught Covid, and never will) and serious injury from Covid (98+% of all Covid infections resolve without serious injury).

 

[Oblivian]

You have it backwards, the exception is catching Covid (the VAST majority has not caught Covid, and never will), and serious injury from Covid (98+% of all Covid infections resolve without serious injury).

I get this, but I just find it funny that a lot of people with this type of logic will also be the people buying pet insurance or a warranty on a TV (not saying that is you).

 

[fingercuffs]

You're definitely in a more unique situation than the rest of us . . . you deal with it first hand. Receptionists deal with crap regardless of COVID.

I've only been on reception since COVID so it's my only experience. Being overly friendly is wearing thin, lol. I'm not pulling the female card, but the guys who have yelled at me haven't yelled at my security guys who have asked them to do the same things as I have. And while I may swear like a sailor at home or with friends, I'm ridiculously polite at work so it's really unwarranted.

 

[spamking]

I've only been on reception since COVID so it's my only experience. Being overly friendly is wearing thin, lol. I'm not pulling the female card, but the guys who have yelled at me haven't yelled at my security guys who have asked them to do the same things as I have. And while I may swear like a sailor at home or with friends, I'm ridiculously polite at work so it's really unwarranted.

Might be time to give it right back to them . . . <Lmaoo>

 

[Armbars]

I don't think you understand the science of it all chap, the vaccines reduce the chances of you getting it, they don't prevent transmission and they reduce the severity of the infection if you get it. So your two neighbors for example could be hospitalised etc if they hadn't been vaccinated.



Covid-19 has killed more people than the London blitz and we mobilised the country against that. America started a war after a couple of thousand were killed by terrorists, this has killed over 500,000 over there.

Again I don't think you appreciate what kind of reactions occur and I'm not sure you are able to judge the reactions reasonableness.



Maybe this is part of why.



The level of antigens you can have from a mild infection is considerably lower than those provided by just one vaccination, let alone two. Which you'd know, if you understood the 'science' you are referring to. You seem not to as you used a term like 'naturally protected', rather than something like 'an amount of immunity', or 'some antigens'.

I understand how a vaccine works Phlog. My beef is with the AZ vaccine, its an inferior product to the Phizer one and people still get really sick from the delta variant after taking it. At this point it should be scrapped and we should be using the superior medicines that work better. I.E Moderna and Phizer ones.

 

[IamStryker]

The level of antigens you can have from a mild infection is considerably lower than those provided by just one vaccination, let alone two. Which you'd know, if you understood the 'science' you are referring to. You seem not to as you used a term like 'naturally protected', rather than something like 'an amount of immunity', or 'some antigens'.

Weird assumption just because I said naturally protected.

Link me to proof that a vaccine gives you a lot more protection than having had the virus. I've seen doctors disagree with your assertion so I highly doubt it's as settled as you think.

 

[I Am Legion]

No, but they will not let us travel out of our territories on the company dime if we do not.

 

[Goon Dog]

Not forced, but you have fewer hoops to jump through if you're vaccinated. I gave it a year just because I'm a cynic - all the money on the table for whichever pharm got a vaccine out first. I had no issues with either jab.

 

[TheRealWill]

So far just strongly encouraged.

Not sure what's gonna happen though as I work at a food distribution center. Regardless, I'm not going to take it, so I'm obviously a little nervous I may lose my job but enough is enough.

I'm not anti vax. Me and my kids have all the others, except me and my 6 yo don't get the flu shot.

Here are some facts that worry me. This is, for a 100% fact, the first mRNA, or synthetic, vaccine. All previous long term studies of them have failed with many have drastic negative effects. So something that has been failing trails for decades, suddenly is safely figured out by multiple companies within weeks of each other? I'm skeptical.

Also, there literally was no long term testing of these new ones. You ARE the long term testing. The short term testing was also a very small, non diverse sample size. Oh, and they're not peer reviewed like normal, we just gotta take their word for it.


And I'm the crazy one for having doubts? Ok bruh...

I still maintain if no one ever said anything no one would even notice the Rona. It literally replaced the flu statistically.

 

[TheRealWill]

The various COVID-19 vaccines actually piggybacked onto research done on vaccines in various stages of development for coronaviruses for many years. So, it's a mistake to say that they're "experimental" & that they were created within a year because that's simply not the case.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly

There is truth to that....but all those previously tested all failed the long term studies, so what changed? Literally.

Can you show me ANY successful, long term study on any mRNA vaccine?

 

[sweetviolenturg]

There is truth to that....but all those previously tested all failed the long term studies, so what changed? Literally.

Can you show me ANY successful, long term study on any mRNA vaccine?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...ong-term-immunity-to-covid-19-study-1.5488596

https://www.muhealth.org/our-storie...d-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects

I doubt if this will sway you from your doubts but it works for me.

 

[Phlog]

Weird assumption just because I said naturally protected.

Link me to proof that a vaccine gives you a lot more protection than having had the virus. I've seen doctors disagree with your assertion so I highly doubt it's as settled as you think.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34103407/

 

[Rizzo]

No, I took it gladly. People who don't want the vaccine are dumb. Polio vaccine was rolled out just as quickly and it's a marvel of science. This anti-vac movement is 100% political espionage

I love misinformed virtue signal vaxxers, keep up the good work buddy! Polio was developed in 1952, in 1954 they did experimental trials on half a million children or so then finally started rolling it out in 1955 to the masses. COVID vaccine was developed in late 2020 and rolled out to the masses months later. See the difference? You are correct about the political espionage but its in regard to actually getting the "vaccine" not the other way around.

Also, Polio had a MUCH higher mortality rate so obviously people were willing to take more of a risk over something like COVID that has a 99% recovery rate.

 

[IamStryker]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34103407/

"Therefore, antibody immunity acquired by natural infection or different modes of vaccination may have a differing susceptibility to erosion by SARS-CoV-2 evolution."

That doesnt seem like a concrete answer does it? Also where in there did they say that you have lower amounts of antibodies like you claimed?

 

[Phlog]

"Therefore, antibody immunity acquired by natural infection or different modes of vaccination may have a differing susceptibility to erosion by SARS-CoV-2 evolution."

That doesnt seem like a concrete answer does it? Also where in there did they say that you have lower amounts of antibodies like you claimed?

Honestly I couldn't be arsed to search for you so I did a 20 second search. I don't recall the papers name, if you're keen you can find all the info.

 

[Halge]

No. I work with 90-year olds though, so I wouldn't exactly mind if I had been.

 

[Strychnine]

I hate to bring the mood down but has anyone thought of what will happen when a real virus with maybe a 50/50 kill rate hits? I have and that's why I'm planning my escape from society.

It never hurts to have a plan.

 

[IamStryker]

Honestly I couldn't be arsed to search for you so I did a 20 second search. I don't recall the papers name, if you're keen you can find all the info.

Ok so you make the claim and I have to back it up. Sounds fair.

Here read this one. https://www.healthline.com/health-n...hove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated

Doesnt sound as settled as you thought

 

[El Panteron]

I got mine as soon as I could as well, but I dont understand the vitriol some pro vaxxers like yourself have towards those who choose not to. To each their own. If youre vaxed, you aint getting hurt by them so let them do what they like. Im more mad at the government shutting shit down for people that have played along and are vaxxed than I am at the people not getting it.

Vaccines have around 95% coverage per the trials and may well be less for the variants like delta.
No vaccine protects you 100%.
There are some people who genuinely can't get vaccinated because of health issues and they'd be way more vulnerable to corona itself.

Not getting vaxxed = killing other people

 

[Provocateur]

It was highly encouraged at my work. The HR guy literally walked into my office and asked if I am vaccinated or "one of those guys" that won't get it. He then told me the company would like to say the entire executive team is vaccinated so it would be preferable if I was. No pressure...