Economy Landlords look for an exit amid federal eviction moratorium

[badascan]

Yeah, they should just have more money.

I will have worked 71 hours at the end of this week... Either we make excuses and blame others or we act and take care of ourselves...

*Edit: you're making the argument that in the most prosperous country ever, with the most opportunity ever, people aren't able to take care of themselves?

 

[RogerB08]

I will have worked 71 hours at the end of this week... Either we make excuses and blame others or we act and take care of ourselves...

That's a shame. Top bad you don't enjoy life anymore than that European working 30 hours a week.

 

[Timmahhhh]

Since I've gone into the service side of my trade I've seen the hit you guys can take. One shit tenant can cost you tens of thousands of dollars. Seen some crazy shit and have had to literally re - plumb complete houses because of spiteful dirtbags.

The flip side? I've told tenants to report their landlords due to creating hazardous conditions due to negligence. Fuck slum lords.

But to imply landlords are parasites and shouldn't get a return on their investment reeks of inexperience and ignorance. Or envy and stupidity.

I sure hope it never comes to that. That would make me cry if some butt hurt tenant tried to ruin my investment.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

It's always a pivot with you libertarian types.

Don't make enough money, go to school.

How do you survive while going to school when you already don't get paid enough to live?

Rent a room.

With what, the even less money than they were making before they carved out tone away from work to go to school?

Well you just should have made better decisions starting with being born into a better family and having had all the advantages and circumstances I had going for me.

It never fucking ends with you guys laying all the blame for people's poverty squarely on them and not on an inequitable system in which where you end up is heavily influenced by where you start.

Ok then don't even try and just be poor.

Keep on believing that everyone who has a good job came from a perfect family in the suburbs and didn't grow up poor in drug addicted households.

Just go on believing that buddy. You're gonna make it so far in this world.

 

[badascan]

That's a shame. Top bad you don't enjoy life anymore than that European working 30 hours a week.

Sorry, thought you were a capable thinker... My fault. Let's forgo any further discussion...

 

[RogerB08]

I will have worked 71 hours at the end of this week... Either we make excuses and blame others or we act and take care of ourselves...

*Edit: you're making the argument that in the most prosperous country ever, with the most opportunity ever, people aren't able to take care of themselves?

You just reminded me of something. Food for thought.

 

[Bald1]

I sure hope it never comes to that. That would make me cry if some butt hurt tenant tried to ruin my investment.

Here's a tip from my perspective. Put it into your lease agreement that any sign of water leaks must be reported immediately. A few days can mean the difference between a hundred dollar bill to thousands.

 

[RogerB08]

*Edit: you're making the argument that in the most prosperous country ever, with the most opportunity ever, people aren't able to take care of themselves?

That's a feature of capitalism, not a bug. Capitalism requires that there be a permanent underclass of workers and that they be kept in a state of financial instability sufficient to force them to accept the conditions imposed on them by employers.

 

[lifelessheap]

It's always a pivot with you libertarian types.

Don't make enough money, go to school.

How do you survive while going to school when you already don't get paid enough to live?

Rent a room.

With what, the even less money than they were making before they carved out tone away from work to go to school?

Well you just should have made better decisions starting with being born into a better family and having had all the advantages and circumstances I had going for me.

It never fucking ends with you guys laying all the blame for people's poverty squarely on them and not on an inequitable system in which where you end up is heavily influenced by where you start.

Personal responsibility exists. I worked weekends, breaks and everyday of summer while in school. Graduated with no debt. My friends partied and took out loans, and then complained about debt and how unfair it was.

 

[Bald1]

That's a feature of capitalism, not a bug. Capitalism requires that there be a permanent underclass of workers and that they be kept in a state of financial instability sufficient to force them to accept the conditions imposed on them by employers.

There's always an underclass. Yet in a capitalist system there's upwards mobility, even if remote in some situations, while under Communism everyone but the government is the underclass.

Hierarchies are built into every tribe, herd, flock, pack or social system. Even bees and ants and they're the truest example of Communism we know of.

 

[Timmahhhh]

Here's a tip from my perspective. Put it into your lease agreement that any sign of water leaks must be reported immediately. A few days can mean the difference between a hundred dollar bill to thousands.

Agreed. It's already in there. Funny how a couple drops a day can go from nothing to pulling out cabinets and cutting holes in the wall in no time flat.

 

[RogerB08]

There's always an underclass. Yet in a capitalist system there's upwards mobility, even if remote in some situations, while under Communism everyone but the government is the underclass.

Hierarchies are built into every tribe, herd, flock, pack or social system. Even bees and ants and they're the truest example of Communism we know of.

It's well established that for the vast majority in the U.S., upward mobility is a joke. Just like the myth that we live in a meritocracy.

 

[Bald1]

It's well established that for the vast majority in the U.S., upward mobility is a joke. Just like the myth that we live in a meritocracy.

Take it from someone who comes from Communism that upward mobility is not only a joke but an impossibility under that system. Those who do get a leg up do it for the same reasons as under capitalism - hard work and initiative. Yet under the threat of getting punished for their efforts.

 

[RogerB08]

Take it from someone who comes from Communism that upward mobility is not only a joke but an impossibility under that system. Those who do get a leg up do it for the same reasons as under capitalism - hard work and initiative. Yet under the threat of getting punished for their efforts.

You're profile says you're from Calgary. Where did you immigrate from?

 

[oldshadow]

People would still work for to be able to buy things to enhance their quality of life and things like car repairs/service. I'm talking about reliving people of the weight of having to work yourself to death just to scrape out an existence.

So if the government gives you whatever you want for doing the minimum who wants to do more. Then who pays for it.

 

[Bald1]

You're profile says you're from Calgary. Where did you immigrate from?

Born in Hungary in 73. We left in 84.

The system that replaced it isn't perfect, but preferable according to all my family I've talked to.

 

[Bald1]

So if the government gives you whatever you want for doing the minimum who wants to do more. Then who pays for it.

Not only who pays for it, but how does anything get done, improve or get invented?

I know you remember the Soviet Block and the cold war better than most here. There were lots of brilliant minds there. Yet everything was shit. Then once those brilliant minds fled to the west they contributed greatly. Why? Because they were rewarded for their efforts. People are competitive and want to be rewarded for their efforts. Simple, really.

 

[Noveltymortar]

That's a feature of capitalism, not a bug. Capitalism requires that there be a permanent underclass of workers and that they be kept in a state of financial instability sufficient to force them to accept the conditions imposed on them by employers.

As opposed to socialism where the entire population is an underclass of slaves with an elite of politicians controlling every aspect of their lives. Capitalism created the middle class that allows upward mobility to those with drive and a modicum of intelligence. With socialism everyone just stays in the gutter.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

It's well established that for the vast majority in the U.S., upward mobility is a joke. Just like the myth that we live in a meritocracy.

You live in a beautiful time because you have the ability to go on the internet and get advice from real people on how to go about landing a good job and living the life that you want to live.

But instead you spend it bitching at those same people who could potentially hold the information that could change your life. Instead of working toward making a better life, you're working against yourself.

It's why you are part of the underclass. It's not because that's your fate or because you had no chance. It's because you wont even try to better yourself. I can almost guarantee that if someone PM'd you and was like "Hey call this number and you'll get hired for a job that pays good livable wages, but you will probably have to move 8 hours away to get the job"...I know you'd come up with a laundry list of excuses for why you couldn't do that.

Reminds me of an incel, but with capitalism. No girl is ever good enough for an incel because they think the perfect girl should land in their laps right away. They die a virgin when all they could have done was hung out with some fatties, gained experience and comfort around women and then worked their way up to a girl they were truly happy with.

 

[Bald1]

As opposed to socialism where the entire population is an underclass of slaves with an elite of politicians controlling every aspect of their lives. Capitalism created the middle class that allows upward mobility to those with drive and a modicum of intelligence. With socialism everyone just stays in the gutter.

History has proven this time and time again.

Where I sympathize with his way of thinking is the situation we find ourselves in now. Instead of an elite class of politicians dictating our lives, we have an elite class of oligarchs influencing policy to the degree that the middle class is dying. The north American middle class was thriving when CEOs were making 20 times that of the regular worker. Now the pie is much bigger but they're making something like a hundred times that of the rest of us who's wages haven't kept up with inflation. I rail against this constantly. (I'm foggy on those numbers, so take it with a grain of salt)

Is the answer to abandon the positive aspects of Capitalism by throwing out the baby with the bathwater and redistributing wealth and removing incentives? Oh hell no! That way lies Mordor. And this culling of the middle class has accelerated greatly the last two years with Covid. And that's making things worse for us.

Yet at the end of the day, with gun to head, I'd choose capitalism over communism any day of the weak. I am an individualist and value my freedom above all else after all and that's more of a possibility under our current system than the alternative. Take that to the bank.