Wing Chun kicks should be banned in MMA

[TheMaster]

Classic Wing Chun kick.
I always said it should be banned in MMA.




No point threatening someones career like that.

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/9/5/2...llegal-banned-ufc-vegas-36-modestas-bukauskas

Yeah I get a KO can cause concussion or death even but this has a high chance of permanent damage or putting someone out for a long time.

 

[Dan Torrance]

oh, sooOOOOOoooo now all of a sudden the shit i've been saying it the bees knees, for decades, while getting laughed at ganged up on and bullied for saying it is all of a sudden 'too deadly for the octagon.'

the funny thing is people weren't laughing at it when I used to use them.

 

[Woldog]

Anything that targets an athletes knees should be banned imo. As someone who ruptured their MCL 10 years ago, I still feel it today.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Don't post that in the heavies, countless idiots that never trained will laugh at you and tell you should add soccer kicks and stomps

 

[shinkyoku]

oblique kicks is a wing chun only thing? since when?

 

[Paradigm]

Classic Wing Chun kick.
I always said it should be banned in MMA.


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No point threatening someones career like that.

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/9/5/2...llegal-banned-ufc-vegas-36-modestas-bukauskas

Yeah I get a KO can cause concussion or death even but this has a high chance of permanent damage or putting someone out for a long time.

This shit again...this has been debated to death already. How many people can you name whose careers have been ended by this kick?

 

[Stuart0502]

It took nearly 30 years to prove Wing Chun is too deadly for the Octagon.

 

[JohnPJones]

Classic Wing Chun kick.
I always said it should be banned in MMA.


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No point threatening someones career like that.

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/9/5/2...llegal-banned-ufc-vegas-36-modestas-bukauskas

Yeah I get a KO can cause concussion or death even but this has a high chance of permanent damage or putting someone out for a long time.

There’s literally no reason to ban it.
For having such a high chance of permanent damage how come we’ve yet to see it ever happen?
It’s literally safer than checking a kick is.

you have one clip of it causing a TKO, and two clips that prove absolutely nothing. I can find clips of thigh kicks causing TKOs if you’d like to have those banned as well.
Find evidence to support your claim of high chance of causing permanent damage.

 

[JohnPJones]

This shit again...this has been debated to death already. How many people can you name whose careers have been ended by this kick?

Right? Not even career ended, but how many instances of a knee kick ending a fight can anyone pull out?

 

[RemyR]

Anything that targets an athletes knees should be banned imo. As someone who ruptured their MCL 10 years ago, I still feel it today.

Heel hooks?

 

[RemyR]

Don't post that in the heavies, countless idiots that never trained will laugh at you and tell you should add soccer kicks and stomps

the heavies is such a dogshit forum now.

That being said though I know this a hot take but as someone who fought under these rules I do think knees to grounded opponents should be allowed. Soccer kicks and stomps are just crazy through.

 

[aerius]

That's a Savate kick, it's not Wing Chun you silly dink.

 

[William Huggins]

That's a Savate kick, it's not Wing Chun you silly dink.

This is for French guys that like high heels..........high heels aren't allowed in UFC!

This is the real reason why we don't see many French in MMA......

 

[TheMaster]

That's a Savate kick, it's not Wing Chun you silly dink.

Nice try but wrong.
The Savate kick you show placement is higher, not at an angle and he is further out so fully extended his leg on impact not driving through as in the WC kick or the Rountree fight.

However I could have predicted and knew a silly potato would come out with 'savate' on the first page, I should have prefaced it such is the delusion about WC and it's apparent 'ineffectiveness'.

The two kicks don't look that different to be honest but WC was doing them for at least 300 years and savate is supposed to be with boots only.
They both evolved from 'street' methods though so there is common ground there.

It took nearly 30 years to prove Wing Chun is too deadly for the Octagon.

Anything to shut those boxers up with their forward leg heavy weighted jabs and straights.

There’s literally no reason to ban it.
For having such a high chance of permanent damage how come we’ve yet to see it ever happen?
It’s literally safer than checking a kick is.

you have one clip of it causing a TKO, and two clips that prove absolutely nothing. I can find clips of thigh kicks causing TKOs if you’d like to have those banned as well.
Find evidence to support your claim of high chance of causing permanent damage.

Really...you seem be to very sure and knowledgeable, almost like you were a fighter and your body was on the line.

Now what do actual fighters say:

"Taking to Twitter, UFC middleweight fighter Kevin Gastelum wrote: ‘This strike should be illegal. It is a career ender. Who can we talk to about this?'"

https://extra.ie/2021/09/06/sport/mma/khalil-rountree-oblique-kick

 

[JohnPJones]

Nice try but wrong.
The Savate kick you show placement is higher, not at an angle and he is further out so fully extended his leg on impact not driving through as in the WC kick or the Rountree fight.

However I could have predicted and knew a silly potato would come out with 'savate' on the first page, I should have prefaced it such is the delusion about WC and it's apparent 'ineffectiveness'.

The two kicks don't look that different to be honest but WC was doing them for at least 300 years and savate is supposed to be with boots only.
They both evolved from 'street' methods though so there is common ground there.


Anything to shut those boxers up with their forward leg heavy weighted jabs and straights.



Really...you seem be to very sure and knowledgeable, almost like you were a fighter and your body was on the line.

Now what do actual fighters say:

"Taking to Twitter, UFC middleweight fighter Kevin Gastelum wrote: ‘This strike should be illegal. It is a career ender. Who can we talk to about this?'"

https://extra.ie/2021/09/06/sport/mma/khalil-rountree-oblique-kick

Cool one dude’s opinion that it’s a fight ended, now what careers have been ended by it? Where is the evidence to support any of these opinions.

being a UFC fighter doesn’t make his opinion more valid.
If they didn’t like the rules and thought the technique was too risky then they didn’t have to fight.

UFC has seen two broken legs this year alone resulting from roundhouse kicks and shin checks.

Kicks to the knee have never resulted in a serious injury during a fight, even if it has, it doesn’t happen any where near as often as broken legs from shin checks, so why isn’t anyone screaming about shin checks and round houses?

 

[Sweeptheleg7]

Cool one dude’s opinion that it’s a fight ended, now what careers have been ended by it? Where is the evidence to support any of these opinions.

being a UFC fighter doesn’t make his opinion more valid.
If they didn’t like the rules and thought the technique was too risky then they didn’t have to fight.

UFC has seen two broken legs this year alone resulting from roundhouse kicks and shin checks.

Kicks to the knee have never resulted in a serious injury during a fight, even if it has, it doesn’t happen any where near as often as broken legs from shin checks, so why isn’t anyone screaming about shin checks and round houses?

I remember some other fighters also against those kicks to the knees. Off the top of my head, I think wonderboy was against it after get his knee hurt by Daren till I think. I don’t think those kicks end careers right away but it does shorten them. It’s the repeated injury of it that does the damage or it may heal but the knee is never the same and to prolong thr health of the knee, guys should probably stop training so hard. However, to be a pro, they have to train hard to succeed. Usually that type of training is already bad for the body and their bodies are all jacked up by the end but if the knee is messed up by a knee kick, the life of the knee may be much shorter, hence a shorter career.

I don’t think there are enough guys skilled enough with the kick but I do think it should be banned for the fighters sake. You can disagree. That’s fine, but it’s just my opinion. I’m mot a fighter and don’t have any skin in thr game. I don’t think banning the kick would affect my enjoyment as a fan either

 

[JohnPJones]

I remember some other fighters also against those kicks to the knees. Off the top of my head, I think wonderboy was against it after get his knee hurt by Daren till I think. I don’t think those kicks end careers right away but it does shorten them. It’s the repeated injury of it that does the damage or it may heal but the knee is never the same and to prolong thr health of the knee, guys should probably stop training so hard. However, to be a pro, they have to train hard to succeed. Usually that type of training is already bad for the body and their bodies are all jacked up by the end but if the knee is messed up by a knee kick, the life of the knee may be much shorter, hence a shorter career.

I don’t think there are enough guys skilled enough with the kick but I do think it should be banned for the fighters sake. You can disagree. That’s fine, but it’s just my opinion. I’m mot a fighter and don’t have any skin in thr game. I don’t think banning the kick would affect my enjoyment as a fan either

Repeated blows to the head causes serious harm over time too, but no one is talking about banning head punches.
Shin checking has resulted in two broken legs in the UFC alone this year. No one is calling for a ban on those.
There’s literally no evidence that knee kicks are more dangerous short term or long term than any other technique in MMA and the only time a fighter complains about them is when they lose a fight against someone who uses them.

It’s a complete non-issue

Also while it might not change fan enjoyment, I think you really move far away from true mixed martial arts when you only really allow for the techniques from 4 combat sports to be used.
I’m not advocating for a return to the 90s UFC, but knee kicks are very reasonable techniques with no logical or medical reason to ban them.

 

[CinemaKingdom]

All strikes should be banned because they cause damage. Fights should be like Ken Shamrock vs Dan Severn 2 where they looked at each other for 30 minutes.

 

[KOcounter]

That's a Savate kick, it's not Wing Chun you silly dink.

Linear kicks to the knee are big in both savate and southern cma. But Savateurs have a long history of dealing with said kicks well in live competition, which problematises the chun narrative that this is some sort of deadly street secret that has only just come into fruition in full contact fight sports recently and is snapping knees left and right.

 

[Sweeptheleg7]

Repeated blows to the head causes serious harm over time too, but no one is talking about banning head punches.
Shin checking has resulted in two broken legs in the UFC alone this year. No one is calling for a ban on those.
There’s literally no evidence that knee kicks are more dangerous short term or long term than any other technique in MMA and the only time a fighter complains about them is when they lose a fight against someone who uses them.

It’s a complete non-issue

Also while it might not change fan enjoyment, I think you really move far away from true mixed martial arts when you only really allow for the techniques from 4 combat sports to be used.
I’m not advocating for a return to the 90s UFC, but knee kicks are very reasonable techniques with no logical or medical reason to ban them.

I hear you. Yeah, I have no evidence but it’s based on my opinion. If something is injured, it’s never going to be the same again. I got my elbow popped and now my elbow hurts all the time and it’s been like 15 years since I popped my elbow from an armbar. I can still lift but it takes forever to warm up and I have to wear a sleeve. I have lots of knee issues from bjj and it gets better After when I stop doing bjj and any hit type exercises but it’s never the same before it was hurt.

Even constantly practice leg locks actual put a lot of strain on my knees and it can’t be good for it but you want your part er to be able to get the mechanics right so you have to let your knee go through the torque a little bit but it adds up.

Like I said, this is just my opinion. Yes, head strikes causes brain damage. Studies also chokes actually causes strokes significantly. Should we ban them too? It would affect my enjoyment of mma as a fan.

I come from a tma background, so I get it. And part of me even wants throat attacks because I remember watching the throat chop killing people debunked somewhere so it’s not as dangerous as we think.