Opinion The end of the War on Islam

How can you compare the two? Turks simply conquered it. They built nothing. Hungarians actually built Budapest. And you just admitted Hungary is beautiful. But you said earlier it was a "shithole". You floundering little turd. lol
It’s hilarious how excercised you’re getting lol. Hungary is a shit hole, that’s a fact. Muslim migrants that go there are en route to Western Europe. Another fact. I’m sorry this triggers you.
 
It’s hilarious how excercised you’re getting lol. Hungary is a shit hole, that’s a fact. Muslim migrants that go there are en route to Western Europe. Another fact.

You just said Hungary is beautiful. lol

Why are Muslim countries all so shit?
 
It’s hilarious how excercised you’re getting lol. Hungary is a shit hole, that’s a fact. Muslim migrants that go there are en route to Western Europe. Another fact. I’m sorry this triggers you.
Yes. Complete shit hole. Don't go there. It's not worth the effort to civilize. Terrible place.
 
Yes. Complete shit hole. Don't go there. It's not worth the effort to civilize. Terrible place.
We will civilize you for charity. Somebody’s gotta do it. We’ll start with Szeged.
 
And that last one is what I'm absolutely against and have seen first hand on a small scale here in Calgary. When a religion diversifies into all aspects of life, as Christianity did until very recently, I have a problem with it.

There's societal restrictions on freedom of association and freedom from religion in Muslim communities all over the western world. It gets dressed up as deserving of protection under the freedom of religion idea. So where does an individuals freedom start when the ability to curb it is protected under a different freedom? We have a guy on here saying Sharia isn't what you think it is. It just governs family law, civil disputes and divorce according to religous doctrine and he's for it.

Where does the political aspect come into play under your definition? There are examples of united communities advertising their voting power for sale should politicians cater to them. Fine, that's exerting your voting power. Yet when that power is used to change, or try to change, the bedrock of our values things get complicated. Islam does indeed have a history of taking over the religous sphere, through whatever various and varied means, at the detriment of other ideologies and that's what the complication is all about.

So, to answer your question In the simplest terms possible, I have no issues with any belief system, including Islam, as long as it doesn't infringe on individuals rights. Take the two guys I've been arguing with - Kafir doesn't like some aspects of our cultural norms but is on record saying he doesn't want Sharia law in any for. Fine by me. Then there's Moosev who's on board with it because he seems it harmless. And that doesn't sit right with me.

Sharia as you probably know covers much more than the ugly corporal punishments of the hudud. It covers economics, politics and social, personal and family law. Muslims should be free to practice what they like as long as it does not infringe on any one else's rights and must not supersede any civil or criminal law/code of the land. Sharia courts can be used but they must be non binding for anything already covered by local law. Of course issues do arise when individual rights clash, in those cases we'd have to look to see which right would take precedence.
 
You just said Hungary is beautiful. lol

Why are Muslim countries all so shit?
There are many architecturally beautiful places that are shitholes. You really have a hard time keeping complex thoughts in that tiny head.
 
Taking it all in, I think the point of Muslims being kicking dogs on this site and people being a little oversensitive to their reactionary comments, is fair.

You get what you give. If you're not a fan of Islam and say it loud and proud(guilty), don't be all that alarmed when they turn the heat up and start fucking with you all the same.
 
There are many architecturally beautiful places that are shitholes. You really have a hard time keeping complex thoughts in that tiny head.

LOL mental gymnastics. You're obviously just butthurt because Orban & his fellow magyars hate your shit religion and always have.

Why are all Muslim countries shitholes? Any ideas?
 
Sharia as you probably know covers much more than the ugly corporal punishments of the hudud. It covers economics, politics and social, personal and family law. Muslims should be free to practice what they like as long as it does not infringe on any one else's rights and must not supersede any civil or criminal law/code of the land. Sharia courts can be used but they must be non binding for anything already covered by local law. Of course issues do arise when individual rights clash, in those cases we'd have to look to see which right would take precedence.
"Non binding for anything already covered by local law" is mostly fine by me. Yet that clashes with divorce proceedings and many civil disputes in most cases. As long as the individual has an option to easily remove themselves from such extrajudicial arbitration I'm fine with it. Who am I to remove a person's freedom to have a trusted party settle their disputes after all?

I don't think Sharia is some form death panel or anything of the sort, but rather a religion based court system. The reason why I stress it should never supercede the secular courts and should be easily opted out of is because otherwise an individual could be held hostage to such proceedings due to societal pressure. That's always a possibility and indeed is within all societies, but individuals should be provided as robust a freedom from religion as we provide for religion. Yes, that could lead to members of said community to shop around for the best outcome possible by either arbitration system, but then that's also something to be looked at case by case.

Question - how do we ensue Sharia doesn't state law isn't circumvented? Not a gotcha or nitpicking, but rather a fair question in my mind. The idea of a state representative monitoring such proceedings doesn't sit well with me. Do we rely on people who advocate for such a system to ensure they comply?
 
Taking it all in, I think the point of Muslims being kicking dogs on this site and people being a little oversensitive to their reactionary comments, is fair.

You get what you give. If you're not a fan of Islam and say it loud and proud(guilty), don't be all that alarmed when they turn the heat up and start fucking with you all the same.
Fine by me. Get ugly, insult me and mock me. Cool.

Don't misrepresent my views or I'll do the same.
 
"Non binding for anything already covered by local law" is mostly fine by me. Yet that clashes with divorce proceedings and many civil disputes in most cases. As long as the individual has an option to easily remove themselves from such extrajudicial arbitration I'm fine with it. Who am I to remove a person's freedom to have a trusted party settle their disputes after all?

I don't think Sharia is some form death panel or anything of the sort, but rather a religion based court system. The reason why I stress it should never supercede the secular courts and should be easily opted out of is because otherwise an individual could be held hostage to such proceedings due to societal pressure. That's always a possibility and indeed is within all societies, but individuals should be provided as robust a freedom from religion as we provide for religion. Yes, that could lead to members of said community to shop around for the best outcome possible by either arbitration system, but then that's also something to be looked at case by case.

Question - how do we ensue Sharia doesn't state law isn't circumvented? Not a gotcha or nitpicking, but rather a fair question in my mind. The idea of a state representative monitoring such proceedings doesn't sit well with me. Do we rely on people who advocate for such a system to ensure they comply?

Whatever we did would have to be equivalent to what we do for the Beth Din Rabbinical courts and I have no idea what authorities do to monitor those. I'm thinking issues are investigated on a complaint system or if anything gets flagged through a person's taxes. Obviously not perfect and a lot of infractions will get missed but we can't practically monitor every case.
 
Oh I’m long past indignant, now I’m just having fun. I have been on here for a long time with folks saying the most vile things about Muslims, Bald1 chief among them, so I’ll say whatever I like as well. People like him should take their own medicine. If you don’t like how coarse it is, maybe you should’ve spoke up when Muslims were the target.

I don't really care either way. You can make poor statements that sabotage your agenda due to mean things said about people you associate yourself with all you want.

I just find it confusing is all.


There's a guy ITT openly fantasizing about wiping out Muslims in a nuclear Holocaust but somehow that isn't offending these sensitive pearl clutchers. Weird right?

Offended by people so poorly arguing their point that they undermine their cause?

Weren't you called Kafir-kun, someone raised Muslim that no longer believed. Haven't you admitted that vitriol on sherdog against muslims was a significant factor in you once again becoming muslim? I dunno, say maybe in a khabib thread that went a little ballistic one time? I think I remember that.


I don't read many of the anti-muslim/islam posts if any tbh. Been here long enough to have read all the rehashed arguments of which probably less than half are applicable.

Fantasizing about wiping out muslims would be against the rules no? Why's it even there?

Fantasize:
indulge in daydreaming about something desired.

If condoning violence/genocide is against the rules, logic would dictate expressing a desire for it would be also.
 
I don't really care either way. You can make poor statements that sabotage your agenda due to mean things said about people you associate yourself with all you want.

I just find it confusing is all.




Offended by people so poorly arguing their point that they undermine their cause?

Weren't you called Kafir-kun, someone raised Muslim that no longer believed. Haven't you admitted that vitriol on sherdog against muslims was a significant factor in you once again becoming muslim? I dunno, say maybe in a khabib thread that went a little ballistic one time? I think I remember that.


I don't read many of the anti-muslim/islam posts if any tbh. Been here long enough to have read all the rehashed arguments of which probably less than half are applicable.

Fantasizing about wiping out muslims would be against the rules no? Why's it even there?

Fantasize:
indulge in daydreaming about something desired.

If condoning violence/genocide is against the rules, logic would dictate expressing a desire for it would be also.
Mean things said about me and mine, not “people I associate with”. You’re using weasel words. The vile and down right racist statements about Muslims outnumber mine 10 to 1, so it’s quite curious exactly when you choose to pipe up. Spare you lectures and fake concern.
 
Mean things said about me and mine, not “people I associate with”. You’re using weasel words. The vile and down right racist statements about Muslims outnumber mine 10 to 1, so it’s quite curious exactly when you choose to pipe up. Spare you lectures and fake concern.

What concern?

Go nuts bro, I'm an athiest who hates the hold hundred year old books have on our society, you can do my job for me.
 
There's a guy ITT openly fantasizing about wiping out Muslims in a nuclear Holocaust but somehow that isn't offending these sensitive pearl clutchers. Weird right?

There's a thread literally " gas the Ozzie's " yet the vast majority of Australians in there have had discourse without bringing up people's women or calling other nations the cum dumpster of Europe. Seriously. You're doing a absolute disservice to your religion.
 
Mean things said about me and mine, not “people I associate with”. You’re using weasel words. The vile and down right racist statements about Muslims outnumber mine 10 to 1, so it’s quite curious exactly when you choose to pipe up. Spare you lectures and fake concern.


Can't be racist to a religion....
 
What concern?

Go nuts bro, I'm an athiest who hates the hold hundred year old books have on our society, you can do my job for me.
You’re so unconcerned that you chose to comment
 
If anything talking shit about the women of certain nationalities would be more racist........

That's you.
 
Can't be racist to a religion....
This is a shallow point that has been debunked repeatedly, in the minds of racists Islam is tightly coupled with black/brown skin, therefore a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment comes down to racism.
 
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