Wing Chun kicks should be banned in MMA

[TheMaster]

Jesus. Try to have some contribution to your thread and this is responses I get.
Bud I'll tell you what, you come to Australia or I'll come to you and we can have a bareknuckle fight. Then you can report back how it goes.
I've fought enough people without gloves to know I can beat someone without gloves. I've even fought in MMA gloves multiple times. My knuckles aren't scarred to shit with teeth scars from wearing gloves.
Funny you post an article of someone I've personally trained with (over 100 times) and seen her posting on Sherdog on her phone lmao.

I would be open to fighting in a bare knuckle fight anytime anywhere, send me a contract.

What rules though?
And why would you want to fight me, a lowly hobbyist who does a 'garbage TMA' like WC? It wouldn't add much to your resume to beat me surely.
I even think you would win under BK rules since I've not done amateur bouts in striking arts.

I'm just pointing out the fact that you made a claim in this thread that you "coulda whooped John L. Sullivan in a barefist fight" which I found to be overboard to say the least.

 

[TheMaster]

I would be open to fighting in a bare knuckle fight anytime anywhere, send me a contract.

Do it then, it would be cool. I'd even be open to helping train you in some of the chi sau infighting skills that cross over from WC to add to your game. If you thought it valuable which you probably wouldn't unless you experienced it.

 

[Woldog]

What rules though?
And why would you want to fight me, a lowly hobbyist who does a 'garbage TMA' like WC? It wouldn't add much to your resume to beat me surely.
I even think you would win under BK rules since I've not done amateur bouts in striking arts.

I'm just pointing out the fact that you made a claim in this thread that you "coulda whooped John L. Sullivan in a barefist fight" which I found to be overboard to say the least.

Actually I originally claimed I could whoop someone with that shitty stance, similar to Trevor Berbicks old school style getting sent to sleep by Mike Tyson.
The problem is you nitpick to the point where the original message is lost completely.
If you can't see that combat sports have moved on from that period of time you're either blind or delusional. Even the footage you shared of John L Sullivan the dude's striking by today's standards looked horrible, granted he looked about 70 years old in the video.
There would be no point to fighting you other than getting to bounce an elbow off your face. The issue I take is that you make an awful lot of assumptions about my skills and what I can and can't do without ever having seen me fight.

 

[TheMaster]

Actually I originally claimed I could whoop someone with that shitty stance, similar to Trevor Berbicks old school style getting sent to sleep by Mike Tyson.

Glad you're backtracking on the Sullivan claim. Someone would surely have to spark you in BK fight if you were saying that too often.

 

[Woldog]

Most styles weren't created with the intention of being used against others, they were created out of how people fought in that time and region.

Traditional boxing would get murdered now days if they fought a modern boxer

If I were to see a boxer coming at me with this stance, the next thing he'd be seeing is the back of his eyelids.

Glad you're backtracking on the Sullivan claim. Someone would surely have to spark you in BK fight if you were saying that too often.

Perhaps read it again.
I'd love to see someone try and spark me out bud, well over 100 people have tried, none have succeeded.

 

[TheMaster]

Perhaps read it again.
I'd love to see someone try and spark me out bud, well over 100 people have tried, none have succeeded.

Everyone can get knocked out if the timing and accuracy is there.
In BKFC you don't necessarily have to win by KO either.
One of the nice things about BK punches is you can break the face and oribital socket much more easily.

 

[Woldog]

Everyone can get knocked out if the timing and accuracy is there.
In BKFC you don't necessarily have to win by KO either.
One of the nice things about BK punches is you can break the face and oribital socket much more easily.

Luckily I spent 18 years specifically avoiding getting punched in the face then isn't it. Literally my biggest advantage in all my fights was my head movement and reflexes.

 

[TheMaster]

There would be no point to fighting you other than getting to bounce an elbow off your face. The issue I take is that you make an awful lot of assumptions about my skills and what I can and can't do without ever having seen me fight.

If I got into a boxing or MT fight yes for sure.
But this is an MMA forum, you would also risk getting Judo thrown and choked out or if it was no rules at all, there's plenty of tools to make even decent amateur level fighters have second thoughts and I'm not saying I would be favoured at all but you can't underestimate others either.

I would much rather fight you than multitudes of high level amateur MMA fighters or plenty of high level WC fighters, Judo fighters etc. I do respect your skills but this is martial arts not boxing so there is plenty of room for many strategies and techniques which you're not familiar with.
You can't assume just because you have a boxing and MT background you would clean house against anyone, theres plenty of straight Judo and BJJ or Catch guys who would probably beat you quite easily for example. Grappling usually beats straight striking , don't box a boxer, don't wrestle a wrestler. Yes I have WC but would I try to stand with a good level boxer when that's their game as well? Probably not the best strategy even if I do believe in WC.

 

[listrahtes]

I agree and that’s why they all evolve when thrown into a full contact context.

Imo more important all relevant styles originate out of full contact. A style who does not or looses its aplication to fighting would have stopped to exist in past history. Its only nowadays were fighting is in parts a hobby that you can train a martial art without fighting or be a "grand master" without any skill as its meant to make money and be a crutch for overblown frightened egos in the western hemisphere. The philosophical element back then got added because these people faced death all the time. That gave insights. Nowadays its just added flavour to TMAs like a Starbucks coffee with artificial spice to make more money.

And why would you want to fight me, a lowly hobbyist who does a 'garbage TMA' like WC? It wouldn't add much to your resume to beat me surely.

At least it would shut you up and we would be able to see first hand that even compared to a "low level hobbyist" you have zero skill. I would gladly support Woldog with 50$ travel costs to make it happen. You have avoided any friendly invitation to a sparring so we all know how that would go.

I would much rather fight you than multitudes of high level amateur MMA fighters or plenty of high level WC fighters,

Who are you kidding. We all know you never fought and will never fight anyone. Woldog would just spar you friendly but even that is well to frightening and I can understand it if someone doesnt spar. You are even too afraid to realease a shadow boxing video which really is funny considering your talk.

 

[TheMaster]

We all know you never fought and will never fight anyone. Woldog would just spar you friendly but even that is well to frightening and I can understand it if someone doesnt spar. You are even too afraid to realease a shadow boxing video which really is funny considering your talk.

And who have you fought?
100% sure I would beat the shit out of you pretty easily though no matter what ballet dance methods you try to use.
Not interested in releasing videos to clown idiots though, sorry.
Also I don't do 'shadow boxing' since I don't practice boxing.

 

[SeaBiscuit159]

Classic Wing Chun kick.
I always said it should be banned in MMA.


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No point threatening someones career like that.

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/9/5/2...llegal-banned-ufc-vegas-36-modestas-bukauskas

Yeah I get a KO can cause concussion or death even but this has a high chance of permanent damage or putting someone out for a long time.

agree. obviously the sport is about violence and hurting each other, but a move that could end a career, and severely affect you for possibly the rest of your life, shouldn't be allowed

 

[Woldog]

If I got into a boxing or MT fight yes for sure.
But this is an MMA forum, you would also risk getting Judo thrown and choked out or if it was no rules at all, there's plenty of tools to make even decent amateur level fighters have second thoughts and I'm not saying I would be favoured at all but you can't underestimate others either.

I would much rather fight you than multitudes of high level amateur MMA fighters or plenty of high level WC fighters, Judo fighters etc. I do respect your skills but this is martial arts not boxing so there is plenty of room for many strategies and techniques which you're not familiar with.
You can't assume just because you have a boxing and MT background you would clean house against anyone, theres plenty of straight Judo and BJJ or Catch guys who would probably beat you quite easily for example. Grappling usually beats straight striking , don't box a boxer, don't wrestle a wrestler. Yes I have WC but would I try to stand with a good level boxer when that's their game as well? Probably not the best strategy even if I do believe in WC.

I have literally hundreds of rounds of MMA sparring... I've sparred with people who are now in the UFC. I don't think you understand my combat pedigree at all...
I chose not to fight in MMA, it does not mean I've never trained in it. I was at the most successful pro gym in my country for 8 years

 

[TheMaster]

I have literally hundreds of rounds of MMA sparring... I've sparred with people who are now in the UFC. I don't think you understand my combat pedigree at all...
I chose not to fight in MMA, it does not mean I've never trained in it. I was at the most successful pro gym in my country for 8 years

So you have some grappling and submissions is what you are saying or not?
Most MMA gyms split the training into disciplines.

 

[Woldog]

So you have some grappling and submissions is what you are saying or not?
Most MMA gyms split the training into disciplines.

My gym is the most successful combat sports gym in the country, we import former stadium champions from Thailand to coach Muay Thai.
I have grappling experience, I never focused on it specifically everyone and their dog did some grappling around 2009 - 2013 when MMA started getting big here.
I've nearly had my shoulder ripped out by an americana performed by a professional Light Heavyweight who has fought for Bellator and the majority of my close friends are professional MMA fighters who I've sparred with for close to a decade in full contact MMA sparring.
Would I say I'd easily cruise into pro MMA and start cleaning up? definitely not, but I'm not a helpless puppy when I get onto the ground. I also wouldn't claim that I would out Judo you, I've never seen you fight and I would easily accept that you know your judo well (when compared to me) however I've got over one hundred of fights of experience and thousands of rounds of sparring across 3 combat sports over 18 years of fighting and training. I think I qualify as better than a low level MMA fighter. Staying out of MMA was a personal choice to prevent further damage to my knee, similar to why I gave up playing rugby. Not because I was deathly scared of being taken to the ground and my boxing and muay thai skills being rendered useless.

Edit: In saying all that, I do not see myself as an elite grappler by any means.

 

[JohnPJones]

agree. obviously the sport is about violence and hurting each other, but a move that could end a career, and severely affect you for possibly the rest of your life, shouldn't be allowed

you just described literally every technique in MMA

 

[Woldog]

you just described literally every technique in MMA

Wrong no one's life has ever been affected by this move

 

[JohnPJones]

Wrong no one's life has ever been affected by this move

Lmao, but the potential exists for it to happen

 

[listrahtes]

And who have you fought?
100% sure I would beat the shit out of you pretty easily though no matter what ballet dance methods you try to use.

Told you that I want to visit England when the Covid dilemma is at least in parts solved. So instead 100% bragging give me your gym adress and I will contact you for a friendly sparring (or fight if thats what you prefer) when I am in the area via email. We can even do bloodsport ruleset if annother Sherdoggian is present to include all your deadly WC stuff. As it looks right now this could very well be 2023 but looking forward visiting GB (also Scotland). Such fantastic countries to visit.

 

[Woldog]

Told you that I want to visit England when the Covid dilemma is at least in parts solved. So instead 100% bragging give me your gym adress and I will contact you for a friendly sparring (or fight if thats what you prefer) when I am in the area via email. We can even do bloodsport ruleset if annother Sherdoggian is present to include all your deadly WC stuff. As it looks right now this could very well be 2023 but looking forward visiting GB (also Scotland). Such fantastic countries to visit.

Can't we all just meet up for a pint and start a fight with football hooligans?
Then we'd quickly see which techniques get it done.

 

[TheMaster]

Told you that I want to visit England when the Covid dilemma is at least in parts solved. So instead 100% bragging give me your gym adress and I will contact you for a friendly sparring (or fight if thats what you prefer) when I am in the area via email. We can even do bloodsport ruleset if annother Sherdoggian is present to include all your deadly WC stuff. As it looks right now this could very well be 2023 but looking forward visiting GB (also Scotland). Such fantastic countries to visit.

As much as I would love to beat the fuck out of you in a fight (no friendly sparring BS) I have never used sherdog as a place to meet people in real life and value the anonymity. Meeting online idiots who I don't like just to prove a point isn't high on my agenda although it seems to be on yours which I find comedic.

You did ask for an address in Germany with legit WC schools for you to go challenge/spar and I gave it to you, we are supposedly waiting for covid to end for you to show up and film your encounter.

Also you can drop the schtick about adding 'deadly techniques'. No one is going to entertain hurting your sorry ass badly by neck chopping or throat striking you just to prove that it works, unless you maybe draw a knife half way through.
These techniques exist in many TMA's across different countries and were preserved in them for the reason they are obviously effective. No need to comatose a mouthy shertard for the sake of internet posting. My belief also is that if you need to rely on potentially very harmful/ lethal techniques to get the job done you have not mastered the art so better to stick to standard punches, palms, elbows and kicks etc that are used in combat sports.